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post #501 of 803
Netflix is stretching itself thin cash wise making lots of sub-par stuff (and the occasional gem) so restraint all round would be helpful. House of Cards and OITNB are played out and no longer event TV, and stuff like Marco Polo and that show where Khal Drogo is a fur trapper were expensive mistakes.
post #502 of 803
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Netflix is stretching itself thin cash wise making lots of sub-par stuff (and the occasional gem) so restraint all round would be helpful. House of Cards and OITNB are played out and no longer event TV, and stuff like Marco Polo and that show where Khal Drogo is a fur trapper were expensive mistakes.

Well Polo was cancelled. Frontier isn't actually theirs, it's out of Canada and they bought the rights. It got renewed......I liked it.

 

I guess Orange is still doing pretty ok because they gave it 2 more seasons. Im unclear why Piper still needs to be there.

post #503 of 803

Making of Featurette

 

post #504 of 803

First episode so far so good.  Finn Jones as Iron Fist is... Whatever.  Jessica Jones is reminding me why I fucking hate that character.  Seeing Luke, Foggy, Karren and Matt again is really awesome I've missed them.  Matt comforting the handicapped kid with no bullshit was really touching.

post #505 of 803

Jessica Jones?

So good.

post #506 of 803

She just reminds me endlessly of that moment when Deadpool mocks the vastly superior negasonic for being so totally over everything.

post #507 of 803
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First episode so far so good.  Finn Jones as Iron Fist is... Whatever.  Jessica Jones is reminding me why I fucking hate that character.  Seeing Luke, Foggy, Karren and Matt again is really awesome I've missed them.  Matt comforting the handicapped kid with no bullshit was really touching.

Does Foggy make cry face and scold Matt? Please say yes!

post #508 of 803
He only had a short scene with Luke so far! But like did mock his nickname to his stupid face!
post #509 of 803

Damn. Forgot this came out today!

post #510 of 803
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She just reminds me endlessly of that moment when Deadpool mocks the vastly superior negasonic for being so totally over everything.

She reminds me of Krysten Ritter being awesome.

post #511 of 803
I like Jessica, and Ritter in the part, but I can appreciate Freeman's hatred. She's only got one gear-- if you find that off-putting, there's nothing else.

Won't get into this show till late tonight. Hopefully it will be a correction over the lackluster stuff lately. I did read a review or two that says Danny comes off better here and has real chemistry with Luke, which warms my heart.
post #512 of 803

Yeah, the guy who isn't Alan Sepinwall on TV Avalanche said he liked Iron Fist a lot more here than in his own show, mainly because the other Defenders apparently give him shit for being an idiot here. 

post #513 of 803

On episode four.

 

The scale of mediocrity it exhibits is massive. No tension, drama without compulsion, bland fight scenes. Everyone you loved on an individual basis feels marginalized. And I'm damn near crying over how insignificant Sigourney Weaver feels as the villain. It's Mads Mikkelsen in Doctor Strange all over again.

 

Every complaint many of you threw at Daredevil is what I'm feeling right now. This should have been a two-hour crossover event.

 

Oh, god, and fuck Iron Fist. I'm never watching that show now.

post #514 of 803
I'm a big Daredevil fanboy. Is it worth watching for my DD fix?
post #515 of 803

Ok so I haven't watched any of the episodes yet but in one of the episode descriptions I saw "Claire and Colleen debate heroism" What does that mean?"

post #516 of 803
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I'm a big Daredevil fanboy. Is it worth watching for my DD fix?

 

I'm almost 20 minutes into the fifth episode and I couldn't name a single moment where Daredevil did something cool.

 

The best thing he has is his first moment, and it's a courtroom scene.

post #517 of 803

Planning to start this when I get off work and Hunter is totally harshing my buzz. 

post #518 of 803

Gotta keep it real, pal.

post #519 of 803
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Ok so I haven't watched any of the episodes yet but in one of the episode descriptions I saw "Claire and Colleen debate heroism" What does that mean?"

 

Didn't they have that fucking conversation in Iron Fist? They tried to make Claire the pacifist, peaceful resolution character in Iron Fist. Meh.

 

Why the fuck is Colleen in this show?

post #520 of 803

Kind of relevant:

 

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 "They're a bunch of drama queens that spend an hour talking and 20 minutes jumping around while shit blows up. They're a phase. We did one. It was the big event of that summer--let it die.

 

 

Yeah, two episodes and it's kind of bore. The mystery that's slowly uniting everyone just isn't compelling , especially if this is, once again, a bunch of supes fighting The Hand. I'll probably do another episode, but, unless that new Punisher show is fucking amazing, I think it's fair to say that the magic is gone.

post #521 of 803
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Didn't they have that fucking conversation in Iron Fist? They tried to make Claire the pacifist, peaceful resolution character in Iron Fist. Meh.

 

Why the fuck is Colleen in this show?

That's what I mean. Is it happening again?

post #522 of 803

I'm enjoying it waaaaaaaaaay more than HT and Ska although I do raise my eyebrows at the odd decision to keep the four leads apart for so long, when they've each already had a solo series to introduce themselves to the audience. It's like having The Avengers finally meet 52 minutes into their first movie instead of the first act. 

post #523 of 803

I've only seen a few clips but Danny's fights here are way improved than the ones in Iron Fist.

post #524 of 803
I watched the opening of the first episode

what a jumble

woof
post #525 of 803

Yeah, the director makes a few good choices during the first episode (I particularly liked the shot of Cage pulling up his hoodie transitioning into Jessica elsewhere pulling down hers) but the editing of that opening fight is really weird. I guess they didn't want to reveal who Danny was fighting (even though it's painfully obvious) and chose to confuse the fuck out of the audience in order to hide their identity. 

post #526 of 803
When I heard The Hand was the enemy I checked out.

As much as I like the Daredevil character I simply don't think I can find myself viewing this.
post #527 of 803
I'm in it for now for Daredevil Luke and Weaver. That's enough.
post #528 of 803

I have this on in the background as I work. As someone who couldn't watch all of LC or IF, I welcome the background exposition thats been provided. 

 

So far, digging Sigourney Weaver. My overall favorite character in this has been JJ. That actress is just compelling enough and her voice expressive enough that the scenes MEAN something. Other than that, everything has been so q u i e t. Things pick up, eh? 

post #529 of 803

Finished the second episode. The Luke vs. Danny fight was actually pretty fun. I still feel like I should be more excited for all of this though. 

post #530 of 803
It's more fun when the two first met in the comics, and Cage gets hit so hard by Iron Fist that he crashes out a building, through the one next door, and down several stories.

Still doesn't get injured.
post #531 of 803
Finished the first episode, and I'll catch the rest over the weekend.

Having not watched any of these characters' shows other than the two seasons of Daredevil, I'm content with the way Defenders has introduced me to Cage, Jones, and Rand... but I can totally understand how watching Murdock simmer over whether to put his costume back on or not would be anesthesia for anyone who didn't love the shit out of Daredevil seasons 1 and 2, the way I did.
post #532 of 803

Starting episode 2, Jessica continues to be an insufferable asshole to people for no good reason.  

post #533 of 803

Oh, and Iron Fist is a dumb angsty dope.

 

GIMME MORE MISTY.  LUKE.  MATT.

post #534 of 803
Hahaha. It's so silly how Claire--though I'm still cool with her because, duh--played by Rosario Dawson--seems to know every single character in the show. Enough she has them on speed dial, apparently.
post #535 of 803

That sex scene in the first episode with Dawson was...  Luvly luvly luvly.  

post #536 of 803
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That sex scene in the first episode with Dawson was...  Luvly luvly luvly.  

 

From the people who brought you The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy!

 

Never fails.

 

But it's a crock of shit that no one can say "fuck" in a Marvel thing and we get superheroes banging on Netflix.

post #537 of 803
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From the people who brought you The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy!

 

Never fails.

 

But it's a crock of shit that no one can say "fuck" in a Marvel thing and we get superheroes banging on Netflix.


Pretty sure Jessica Jones utters a "fuck" in her respective series. Also, man did that  show have some hot, hot baby-making between Jones and Cage (MULATTO BUTTS!!!).

 

 

 

Man, Iron Fist is totally bumming me out. Goddamn what a snooze.

post #538 of 803
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Also, man did that  show have some hot, hot baby-making between Jones and Cage (MULATTO BUTTS!!!).

 

How could I ever forget that (and that inspired my last post)? Sweet Christmas!

post #539 of 803

Oh my god. You guys were not kidding: Danny Rand is a dumb mother-fucker. Smart idea...I'm gonna go to the evil boss' corporation, and not only reveal that I know who they are, but also reveal that I am the Iron Fist.  Jesus christ. And Sigourney Weaver is all like: "How cute--you're like a child stumbling in the dark."

 

Also, yeah Sigourney Weaver is pretty fucking awesome. Because of course she is.

 

 

And Run The Jewels plays in the background--because of course they are. Not like I'm complaining.


Edited by Ska Oreo - 8/18/17 at 11:57pm
post #540 of 803

OK, I'm a sad, lonely man....I just polished it off.  Not bad, not great...certainly not Iron Fist bad.  I'm not sure what the deal is with these shows but they seem to consistently have the story to fill about two less episodes then they produce each series.  This one should have been six episodes rather than eight.  

 

Hi point: Weaver killing it in the "...this time I won't kill you" boardroom scene.

 

Low point: how a vast majority of the secondary characters had bugger-all to do...but they kept cutting back to them anyway.

 

Question...does anyone know why Frank Castle is listed under 'guest' as an appearing character on the Wiki page for the Defenders?  Did I miss something?

post #541 of 803

Admittedly it gets more fun once Luke Cage (inexplicately because apparently all these characters are gifted with the power of teleportation) enters the fray. And yeah, it is kinda fun once everyone is (finally) in the same scene together.

 

"You look like a jackass."

post #542 of 803

5 episodes in and I think I'm done. While the show definitely gets a bit better following the end of the 3rd episode, it's so fucking clear that there's not enough material here to cover eight episodes. And any momentum garnered for seeing everyone fight together at the end of the boardroom scene (which is the highlight of this entire season) is immediately dashed as we're forced to endure more scenes of characters blandly throwing exposition at each other.

 

There is no reason why this couldn't have been a solid two hour film.

post #543 of 803

Dude, it's an 8 episode show and you've devoted five hours to it. You may as well see it through now. It's like walking to the grocery shop and giving up in the shop's parking lot* because it's too far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

* I hope MichaelM sees this and is proud of me. I almost said "car lot" but double checked on Google first.

post #544 of 803

Finished episode 4 and Jessica is by far the best part. I honestly wanted a lot more time spent on her investigation.

 

'I'm no black belt, but tell me when this starts to hurt.' *windshield spiderwebs from pressure of mook's skull* Also her 'sup bitch' look to Elektra after ramming her with a car.

 

And I did kind of tear up at the lady crying in Luke's arms about all her babies being gone.

post #545 of 803

She's the WORST part!

 

She's all like "who missed me?" and I fucking booed the screen out loud. Go away asshole!

post #546 of 803
Marvel's love affair with Run The Jewels continues. And since it's during Luke and Danny's first team-up occurs, I'm not gonna lie - I lost a sizable portion of my shit.
post #547 of 803

I guess I'm a putz because I'm three episodes in and really enjoying it. The first episode is admittedly a mess. Although I really like the aesthetic choices emphasizing the colors of the four characters, there's some strange rapid-fire editing transitions between scenes (that reminded me of, say, the first season of Angel from 1999) and big, BROAD camera angles. The opening of episode two with Matt saving a few looters from getting shot felt especially campy, with the criminals wearing black caps and sweaters that looked like something out of an old Bugs Bunny cartoon.

 

But a new director comes in with the third episode and with the emphasis on Elektra and the four characters coming together it really starts clicking. Not only is the first meeting between Danny and Luke great at the end of the second episode, but everything with Matt and Jessica tailing each other was so cool. 

 

The Defenders is kind of an odd duck amongst these shows. It's feeling a bit of backlash from the commentariat who grasped onto Daredevil, JJ and LC as MEANING SOMETHING but who were then let down by Iron Fist. Daredevil seemed to prove to everyone that the source material could be respected (and even had a bit of innovation, with the hallway and stairway fights in both seasons, and that third episode in the first season that played around with time a bit and felt very Tarantino-esque). It "saved" characters like DD, Elektra and Punisher that had been previously tarnished. Then JJ came along and was really embraced by progressive critics and fans for its depiction of trauma victims and rape support groups. Then LC came along and managed to tap into a zeitgeist with it being about a bullet-proof black man in 2016. 

 

But regardless of Iron Fist's quality (I didn't watch it and don't care to, so I can't say), it doesn't feel IMPORTANT. What's it about? It's not pushing any limits with representation. It doesn't have any grand themes. And so people started to turn on this whole Netflix experiment.

 

And Defenders shows up and they try to push a kind of punk rock, hobo chic feel to it. These are the cool superheroes. Except it felt a little tryhard with the marketing, and the show itself is really only mining any social relevance out of confrontations between Luke and Danny. I'll give the writers this, they give Luke a voice and concerns: him defending low-level criminals as just trying to feed their families is at least a point of view with nuance. 

 

So anyways, I'm enjoying it but it does feel like this is more about payoff than innovation. I do wonder if Punisher will be the next zeitgeist-y show, but not for the reasons they want. A gun-toting vigilante in 2017? Hoo boy.

post #548 of 803
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So anyways, I'm enjoying it but it does feel like this is more about payoff than innovation. I do wonder if Punisher will be the next zeitgeist-y show, but not for the reasons they want. A gun-toting vigilante in 2017? Hoo boy.

Ohh don't worry he won't be shooting any black criminals. If they are smart they will have him square off with some nazis. 

post #549 of 803

"Touch me like that again and I'll punch you so hard you see."

 

How can you not love Jessica Jones?!

post #550 of 803

Watched the fourth episode. So yeah, it's our guys hanging out in a Chinese restaurant the whole episode, but I'm okay with the table setting. The actors all have natural chemistry, and real work is being put into Luke and Danny having a relationship. I worried it would just be assumed that they're Power Man and Iron Fist because that's how the comics have treated them for 40 years, but this is actually building them up.

 

Sure Jessica is the most tangentially from a plot perspective, but that's kind of the point. Emotionally her connection is with Luke, who is doing good because he can. It's Jessica's arc to embrace Luke's way, as set up by Trish saying she's a superhero in the first episode and Jessica rejecting the label.

 

On a different note, I'm still baffled by "The Incident" being the only reference the Netflix shows make to the movies. I understand it's kind of the MCU's 9/11, but I kind of wish they wouldn't mention it at all anymore. There's enough of a backstory within the shows themselves now to not rely on them being the B-listers to the Avengers' A-listers. I thought, for instance, that something would be made of Jessica Jones being an aspirational superhero in her early days because of the Avengers, but it turns out she never actually put on the costume, and now we've got Spider-Man to fill that role.

 

Anyways, that ending of the fourth episode with Jessica's entrance actually gave me goosebumps. I've got enough goodwill from investing time in these characters over the last two years that big moments like that really work. 

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