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post #101 of 3051
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My pleasure Mike's Pants, and you got in just under the gun for a taste of what we can do...

 

Schwartz, is this like what you wanted?

(click to embiggen)

 

The blue line is the average. I made everyone else the same red so we weren't distracted by who was rating what. 

 

Phase II has been much better received than Phase I. I know for me there is an element of being spoiled by the increased production values in Phase II. The Phase I films look downright cheap comparatively. Also, the Winter Soldier and Guardians kind of raised the bar of what I think they are capable of and Thor, Iron Man 2, and Incredible Hulk just pale in comparison. Phase II wrecked the curve for me. YMMV.

 

The door is not closed for new entries. I just wanted to sate the masses.

post #102 of 3051

Submitted mine, just for the funn of it. Tried to be fair and balanced, like CNN.

post #103 of 3051
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Originally Posted by Kyle Reese View Post
 

Submitted mine, just for the funn of it. Tried to be fair and balanced, like CNN.

 

 

You ranked several higher than me and I consider myself a more or less rabid fanboy.

post #104 of 3051

Iron Man 2 is rated worse than Inc Hulk?  Damn, so glad I didn't waste my time watching that!

post #105 of 3051
That general trend line looks about right. Good work, MikeI.
post #106 of 3051
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Originally Posted by MikeI View Post
 

My pleasure Mike's Pants, and you got in just under the gun for a taste of what we can do...

 

Schwartz, is this like what you wanted?

(click to embiggen)

 

The blue line is the average. I made everyone else the same red so we weren't distracted by who was rating what. 

 

Phase II has been much better received than Phase I. I know for me there is an element of being spoiled by the increased production values in Phase II. The Phase I films look downright cheap comparatively. Also, the Winter Soldier and Guardians kind of raised the bar of what I think they are capable of and Thor, Iron Man 2, and Incredible Hulk just pale in comparison. Phase II wrecked the curve for me. YMMV.

 

The door is not closed for new entries. I just wanted to sate the masses.

 

More stats! More colors! More charts!

 

MOAR

post #107 of 3051
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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post
 

Iron Man 2 is rated worse than Inc Hulk?  Damn, so glad I didn't waste my time watching that!

 

TIH really isn't good, but it's not actively bad (for most its running length, at least). It has one close to great sequence (college hulk out) and some other decent action.

 

IM2 is just a fucking mess, especially compared to the first and third films. Disjointed, very disjointed. And the best scene - shown in the trailers - was cut from the film.

post #108 of 3051
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MOAR DATA FIRST!

post #109 of 3051
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

 

TIH really isn't good, but it's not actively bad (for most its running length, at least). It has one close to great sequence (college hulk out) and some other decent action.

 

IM2 is just a fucking mess, especially compared to the first and third films. Disjointed, very disjointed. And the best scene - shown in the trailers - was cut from the film.

 

Beyond any other issues I have with Inc Hulk is the look of the Hulk.  I hate it.  Way too striated.  Looks like someone has drawn lines all over him

 

post #110 of 3051
Done for my part
post #111 of 3051
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post #112 of 3051

Bah I will have none of your rankings!

 

Ever notice how the most recently seen films score the highest?

post #113 of 3051
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Ratings! Ratings, not rankings. And yes you can see a pretty clear indication of that up thread. I think Winter Soldier has some staying power though. Guardians is the new shiny toy. We'll see how long that lasts.
post #114 of 3051

I rarely change up my rating on most movies, so I can't fathom my score for Guardians will really change.  I feel like I generously rate most of the MCU anyway.  So maybe I will help keep it up a bit if people start to turn on it.

post #115 of 3051
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Here are all the ratings with their averages down at the bottoms. I have removed the context here so the highest ratings are down at the bottom, lowest at the top, regardless of who voted for what.

 

click to embiggen

 

This nicely shows which moves are whack. Incredible Hulk and IM 2 have deep slashes of cold colors. The two Thors have less of the blue and green but are almost exclusively yellow and orange.

 

At the moment Winter Soldier is tied with the Avengers with Guardians just a touch behind.

post #116 of 3051

I just filled it out.

post #117 of 3051
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Huh, your responses didn't come through, Chaz.

 

Try this link?

post #118 of 3051

I think it worked this time. Thanks for setting this up.

post #119 of 3051

I did your survey thing.  That's right Shaun, I gave more than one ten.

post #120 of 3051
Done. Thank you for doing this. I enjoy your charts and statistics.
post #121 of 3051
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All four are in. Thank you for your compliments.

post #122 of 3051
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Originally Posted by MikeI View Post
 

Here are all the ratings with their averages down at the bottoms. I have removed the context here so the highest ratings are down at the bottom, lowest at the top, regardless of who voted for what.

 

click to embiggen

 

This nicely shows which moves are whack. Incredible Hulk and IM 2 have deep slashes of cold colors. The two Thors have less of the blue and green but are almost exclusively yellow and orange.

 

At the moment Winter Soldier is tied with the Avengers with Guardians just a touch behind.

 

YES MOAR CHARTS MORE COLORS

post #123 of 3051
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Freeman requested a pie chart. 

 

You're not getting a pie chart.... (Click to show)
You're getting 4 pie charts!
post #124 of 3051

post #125 of 3051
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OK, pie charts blow. If any one can think of better pie charts, please let me know.

 

Here's how all the bad ratings shake out (bad ratings considered to be 1-4). Three movies (Guardians, Avengers, and Iron Man) don't have any bad ratings at all.

 

And the medium ratings, 5-7.

 

And the good ratings, 8-10. Two movies (Iron Man 2 and Incredible Hulk) don't have any good ratings.

 

 

 

Here those are charted out to scale:

 

 

Technically this is only three pie charts so here is a bar chart about pie charts.

 

 

My next charts will start to check for relationships with nonCHUDopinion data.

post #126 of 3051
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Introducing the Freeman-Oreo Fanboy/Hater Matrix.

 

 

This is obviously not at all scientifically accurate since I clearly indicated that you should be using your own criteria, and some people may have been stricter than others in terms of what they chose to compare them to. I am definitely more on the fanboy side, for instance, but I tempered my desire to give movies 10's and was a littler harsher on some others. But... I don't think it's hard to argue with the namesake extremes.

 

For what it's worth, I calculated how many standard deviations each individual rating was from the mean, and then averaged them together. The stronger the consensus on a movie, the more deviation from that consensus would push you.

post #127 of 3051

Added my ratings, for what they're worth.

post #128 of 3051

majestic :)

post #129 of 3051

Great work Mike.  Thanks for the effort.  

post #130 of 3051
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I have to do a lot of data visualization for my job. I like to play with numbers to try new things. I do the same thing with basketball stats come the fall. It's bizarrely fun for me.

post #131 of 3051

Haha the matrix is my favorite one. Fair and balanced all the way baby, from here to eternity.

post #132 of 3051
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Originally Posted by MikeI View Post
 

Introducing the Freeman-Oreo Fanboy/Hater Matrix.

 

 

This is obviously not at all scientifically accurate since I clearly indicated that you should be using your own criteria, and some people may have been stricter than others in terms of what they chose to compare them to.

 

I'll say.  I'm a full-on partisan, and probably have no business sitting there in the middle of the pack.

post #133 of 3051
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At a guess, some people on the extremes probably subconsciously attempt to... smooth out those beliefs so as to avoid accusations of extremism. As we all know, neither Freeman or Ska feel that particular urge.
post #134 of 3051

Eh, I make no bones of the fact that I love most of Marvel's output.  I've seen The Avengers more times than I can count.  Their movies just work for me.  If I am to be the 4th biggest MCU fanboy on CHUD so be it.

post #135 of 3051
Mike this is fucking fascinating.

I mean this is the best possible way, it's all completely useless but incredibly interesting.

You could start a blog of random creative charts and graphs. Like, how many times various actors have worked with Wes Anderson or something.

You'd be a hit!
post #136 of 3051

Wow, good work Mikel. Surprised to find myself on the haterz side of things, but looking at my numbers I think I stand by them. I only really enjoy 4 of the 10 movies, and I'm pretty dismissive in my personal rankings of any movie I don't want to watch more than once so I guess it makes sense.

post #137 of 3051
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Originally Posted by MikeI View Post
 

Introducing the Freeman-Oreo Fanboy/Hater Matrix.

 

 

 

Consider me a chart idiot, because I have no idea how to read this. What do the X and Y axis represent? 

 

I mean, it looks really cool. I just can't decode it.

post #138 of 3051

Bottom left - not a fan

Top right - big fan!

post #139 of 3051

I've just realised what that reminds me of...

 

 

 

Oh my GOD!

post #140 of 3051
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Originally Posted by grubstreeter View Post
 

Bottom left - not a fan

Top right - big fan!

 

That I sort of figured out myself. Just wondered what the numbers represented.

post #141 of 3051

I guess I wasn't quite the fan I thought I was.  I always considered myself one because, minus Thor 1, I usually enjoy a Marvel movie quite a bit more than they probably deserve.  On the other hand, I don't think I rated anything higher than an 8, because as good as some of them are, they still aren't anything more than very enjoyable tent-poles to me.

post #142 of 3051

I like my position!  I'm pretty easy going tho.

 

If we had the same thing for DC, I'd probably be in a similar spot I would imagine.

post #143 of 3051

Regarding the sweet haterz graphic, the x-axis is just an equidistant spread of the players.  smugbug scored the films at the exact average of the sampled group.  The differential in all scores is the y-axis.  I am apparently easy to please, because I scored the films (aggregrately) about 0.4 higher than average, just ahead of Teitr.

 

Good graphic.  This is the stuff I do at work, so I avoid doing it offline.  But I like to see it done well.  Cheers!

post #144 of 3051
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Michael it is a very imperfect measure. If a group of numbers is tightly packed, like the first ironman movie, it will have a very low standard of deviation. If opinion is varied, like iron man 3, it will have a high one. I add up how many standard deviations each rating is from the mean for each film and then average them. In practice, this means if you are being generous with your tens, or dishing out a handful of 2s and 3s, your deviation will be high either positively or negatively respectively.

You would expect to find most people in the area around 0, and you do. And no one is even two standard deviations away from the mean over the course of all ten films.

Because these films are generally well received here it is much easier to be an outlier on the negative end than the positive.
post #145 of 3051
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And yes the x axis is meaningless. If I gave it meaning it would end up being a 45 degree line. Which is boring.
post #146 of 3051

In case people need a reminder of the movies we are rating, here is a nice 5 minute supertrailer encompassing every Marvel movie.

 

http://www.break.com/video/marvel-started-from-the-bottom-now-theyre-here-2744113

post #147 of 3051

That's pretty fun. Makes me want to revisit some of the flicks....

 

but not either of the Thor ones.

post #148 of 3051
So funny how The Incredible Hulk is just tossed in here and there for action beats.  But there's no attempt to develop that character with voiceover... because Norton.
post #149 of 3051

I was pretty surprised The Incredible Hulk made it in at all. I'm not a huge fan but it feels unfair that it gets thrown under the bus.

 

I remember how excited me and my friend were when Blonsky charged across that college field and when Ross said "SHIELD". Simpler times.

post #150 of 3051
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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post

I guess I wasn't quite the fan I thought I was.  I always considered myself one because, minus Thor 1, I usually enjoy a Marvel movie quite a bit more than they probably deserve.  On the other hand, I don't think I rated anything higher than an 8, because as good as some of them are, they still aren't anything more than very enjoyable tent-poles to me.

Fair call. What's your baseline 10 for the superhero / comic book / adventure / action genres though? The Dark Knight?
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