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That's just it, Trump wouldn't let it happen.  Even though it would benefit the party, it wouldn't benefit him.  He's absolutely incapable of 'taking one for the team'.

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If Trump said 'vote for Pence, he's your guy', most of the Trump faithful would do it.  He can do no wrong in their eyes.  Pence in there would absolutely hit the reset button, bring all of the hesitant 'never Trump' Republicans back into the fold, and mobilize the anti-Hillary movement.  From that point on, all that Pence would have to do is not fuck things up and let all of the damaging DNC/Hillary info that comes out between now and November 8th do the work for him.

 

The anti-Hillary movement is already mobilized, and while it would bring a lot of Never Trumpers back, Trumps supporters would not come out in full even if he did endorse Pence (which, it should be noted, would be a incredibly and hilariously bitch-ass move).  Could Pence have beat Hillary if he'd had a clean start?  Absolutely.  But it would take a phenomenal, once-in-a-lifetime political talent to overcome the hobbling effect of dropping in to the race in August with no infrastructure in battleground states would. 

 

And that's assuming that Trump would ever even do it.  Don't get me wrong, I think he wants out of this race badly, but he has denied himself any non-humiliating exit and his ego can't handle...well, much of anything, really.  On top of which, about the only leverage he has left is his rabid fanbase, and I don't just mean politically.  He's already made enemies of pretty much the entirety of the political class on both sides of the aisle, and even if the GOP were willing to bribe him to go away, it'd be very dicey to rely on any promises of future favors once he is out of the spotlight.  He needs his fans to, if not vote him into the White House, at least keep watching The Apprentice or whatever talk show CNN gives him after the election.  Celebrity is his only parachute out of the Hindenburg he created, and if he finishes by outright betraying his base to the establishment they are so riled up against, even that becomes precarious. 

 

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Because it's their only option.  I think that Trump would absolutely go nuclear if he was outright removed from the ticket.  He would absolutely bring down the Republican party with him. 

 

 

Spoiler alert:  he's already brought it down.  Win or lose, the GOP is fucked beyond recognition and is going to require an extreme overhaul to keep them competitive at a national level.

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Oh ouch.

 

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BTW, here is the website of the artist that did that Time cover:

 

http://edelr.com/

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Wouldn't matter.  Flipping the two would keep the Trump supporters in line

 

It would?  I see no evidence of anything keeping those people in line.  Forcibly demoting their candidate certainly would not do it.

 

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Because it's their only option.  I think that Trump would absolutely go nuclear if he was outright removed from the ticket.  

 

He'd go nuclear either way.  He's already practically nuclear, and he's still at the top of the ticket.  You don't get rid of a problem by keeping it around and just trying to stuff it way down.  (Although, again, to be fair, that kind of is how conservatives try to deal with many issues.)

 

Anyway, you can't muzzle Trump.  Putting him as the VP wouldn't shut him up, and it wouldn't stop the media from wanting his quote.  If he was going to be kept in line he would have stayed in line when it could have earned him the Presidency.  It would be very, very easy (not to mention a great story) for the media to sabotage this campaign if they flipped the ticket.

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I guess it's possible, as we get to the home stretch of this thing, that people are finally starting to appreciate the whole 'unfit for the office' thing. It's a great national shame that it's taken so long, or that it's still happening at all. The fact that there will likely be a number of red states on the final electoral map is just humiliating. 

 

It's become really tough for me to understand how someone could possibly vote for the man, beyond purely anarchic reasons. I can't not see Trump supporters as anything but people with a bone deep rot in their souls. They could be charitably called shamefully dumb, I suppose. Regardless, the Tea Party and its ilk has become the exact shitty, selfish grace note we should always have expected from the Boomers on their way out the door.

 

I mentioned yesterday that I don't know a single person voting for Trump, but I had forgotten that I unfollowed my cousin on Facebook. I ventured over to his page last night. Holy shit. I couldn't look away even though it made me sick to my stomach.

 

My cousin seemed reasonable-ish a few months ago. He hated Clinton -- mostly based on rumors and rhetoric. He admitted Trump was nutty, but liked that he was anti-establishment. He liked Sanders for the same reason. Now my cousin is a bit underprivileged and, admittedly, not the sharpest tool in the shed so I tend to give him some leeway. However, his blind hate for Clinton and love for Trump has increased 1000 fold.

 

Nearly every single post is a shitty treatise about how Trump will lead our country into the greatness it should be and Clinton is literally "the most awful piece of shit that will bring us to third-world conditions."  HIs rhetoric is getting more and more intense every day from what I am seeing. He seems to be implying violence at times. Trump is the savior, and Clinton is lucifer. And he has hundreds of likes and "amens" to his posts.

 

It's not a joke. These people exist. There is no talking these people down. They just become more and more impassioned. It's sick and scary as hell. We talk about how we need Clinton in office, and I have my fingers crossed she makes it; yet, I cannot shake off what it means for years to come. Not just a broken and angry Republican party, but also the lunatics that have come out of the woodwork this election. In my lifetime I have never seen anything like it, and it kills me to see such demagoguery. Where in the world did we go wrong?

 

I'll close this dead-horse beating with a picture my cousin posted yesterday:

 

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At this point, it seems that Trump's best battleground states are Iowa and Nevada.  He could end up losing them both, but Clinton's numbers haven't spiked there like in other states post-convention.  For Iowa, many reporters have pointed out that there's a larger-than-usual number of white men without college degrees there than the national average; I'm not really sure what Nevada's deal is.

 

Nate Silver brought up something interesting last night: what about Alaska?  There was only one Alaskan poll, and it was many months ago.  Trump was leading Clinton by five in that poll (Romney beat Obama there by 14 points), but much has changed since then.  Silver pointed out that Alaskans are more likely to vote for third-party candidates than others.  I couldn't even begin to say if Evan McMullin could get on the ballot in Alaska, but I'd imagine Gary Johnson must have big support there by now.

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That looks like something from Colbert's show on Comedy Central. But that's an unironic fan image?

 

Holy shit.

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Nate Silver brought up something interesting last night: what about Alaska?  There was only one Alaskan poll, and it was many months ago.  Trump was leading Clinton by five in that poll (Romney beat Obama there by 14 points), but much has changed since then.  Silver pointed out that Alaskans are more likely to vote for third-party candidates than others.  I couldn't even begin to say if Evan McMullin could get on the ballot in Alaska, but I'd imagine Gary Johnson must have big support there by now.


​Looks like the Alaskan deadline was June 1, so McMullin likely won't be on that ballot:

 

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_political_candidates_in_Alaska

 

In actual McMullin news, he got on the ballot in Colorado.  Clinton's looking pretty good there anyway, but every little bit helps!

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B-but he's being audited!
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Looks like Trump wants campaign offices in all 50 states (by when? 2034?) because of his "ego."

 

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/playbook/2016/08/new-narrative-trump-republicans-concede-they-could-lose-election-rnc-to-open-offices-in-all-50-states-in-move-to-help-trump-photos-of-bernies-new-lakefront-home-bday-kelley-mccormick-215838

 

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PLAYBOOK SCOOP -- The Trump campaign has asked the RNC to open offices in all 50 states, a move one party aide told Daniel is a “complete waste of resources.” For example, why boost resources in a state like Idaho, which is going to vote for Trump, or states like Hawaii or Massachusetts that certainly will not? An RNC source said it was a “fool’s errand” and more for Trump’s “ego” and for “bragging” purposes, instead of deft campaign strategy. The source said it was a “personal request” by Trump to have offices in all 50 states.

 

Sean Spicer, a top RNC aide, told Playbook decisions on how to deploy resources were made jointly by the committee and the campaign, which he said was “keen” on having a presence around the country. Under the plan, the RNC will have offices in up to 25 battleground states that are either competitive for Trump or have contested House and Senate races. In all the remaining states, the RNC will open up an office staffed by RNC volunteers -- not paid staffers. Spicer also said all the funding for these outposts, which he said would cost between $80,000 and $90,000 for the remainder of the campaign, would come out of the RNC’s headquarters fund. The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment Thursday night.

 

The RNC is going to use its headquarters fund to pay for outposts in states like Idaho and Oklahoma?  I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump is going to bankrupt the GOP.

 

Honest question: Won't RNC donors think twice about ever giving them money again?  Republicans are using important donations to inflate one man's ego, instead of doing anyting strategic with them.

 

EDIT: Meanwhile, the Trump campaign has one office in Florida.  ONE!

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Nah, that's just Jason Heuser's shtick. Some of them are fairly clever.

 

 

 

 

Jumping the gun on Trump, sure. But it's definitely not some poe-faced piece of fanboy art.

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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post

 

Nearly every single post is a shitty treatise about how Trump will lead our country into the greatness it should be and Clinton is literally "the most awful piece of shit that will bring us to third-world conditions." 

 

I get not liking Hillary, for personal or policy reasons.  But I don't understand that level of hyperbole in the slightest.  Will things be different under Hillary vs a Republican?  Absolutely.  Corporate and high income taxes will stay higher.  The SC will ensure that the country continues to drift steadily leftward on social issues.  Universal Health Care will survive.  You can think those are bad things, and I will judge the shit out of you for it, but the idea that she will create some sort of dystopian nightmare...I mean, do people just not even remember the 90s?  She's been in power before, and things weren't perfect but they weren't the End Of Days.

 

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The RNC is going to use its headquarters fund to pay for outposts in states like Idaho and Oklahoma?  I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump is going to bankrupt the GOP.

 

 

Better it than the entire country.

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That looks like something from Colbert's show on Comedy Central. But that's an unironic fan image?

 

Holy shit.

It's ironic ... but not to wd40's cousin.

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Nah, that's just Jason Heuser's shtick. Some of them are fairly clever.








Jumping the gun on Trump, sure. But it's definitely not some poe-faced piece of fanboy art.

I am kinda unironically digging that Clinton one.

Is that Ben Carson in the second one? Hard to see on my phone.
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Robo-FDR. I actually have that one on my wall.

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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
 

Nah, that's just Jason Heuser's shtick. Some of them are fairly clever.

 

 

Jumping the gun on Trump, sure. But it's definitely not some poe-faced piece of fanboy art.

 

I only just noticed the alligator with the red button between Clinton's legs....that's hilarious.

 

That being said, looking at paintings like these and laughing at them is one thing, but I can imagine that there are a good number of folks that look at that Trump painting, and without recognizing it's absurdity, say out loud without an ounce of irony, "Fuck yeah, that's fucking awesome...Trump 2016 mutherfucker"

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Out of interest, if he loses this time are there any rules that prevent Trump from running again in 2020? I just had an entertaining vision of him deciding only he can save the world from a second Clinton term, rallying his fanbase to slay the competition in the primaries again, and leaving the Republicans up shit creek for the second time in a row.
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

Looks like Trump wants campaign offices in all 50 states (by when? 2034?) because of his "ego."

 

 

"Do they have Nielsen boxes in Idaho? Then we'll have a campaign office there."

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Out of interest, if he loses this time are there any rules that prevent Trump from running again in 2020? I just had an entertaining vision of him deciding only he can save the world from a second Clinton term, rallying his fanbase to slay the competition in the primaries again, and leaving the Republicans up shit creek for the second time in a row.
Nothing to legally prevent him, no. But he's not doing this out of any sense of principle (I mean, seriously, you have to be kidding me,) he's doing it for the gratification of his own ego. And while I could see him being once more tantalized by the prospect (I mean, how many times did he try and fail to make a name for himself as a real estate/hotel/casino magnate despite his own utter incompetence at it?) he's so plainly not interested in politics or running a real campaign that I just can't picture him having the energy to make another attempt at it. (Even assuming he doesn't just have an aneurysm on the morning after the results are in and damn near every paper in the nation runs with a photo of Trump and the headline "LOSER" above the fold.)

I'd also say that there's no way the Republican party would allow him another chance after he's so thoroughly fucked them this time around, but then every other decision they've made this cycle has been blindingly stupid and self-injurious, so at this point I'm not sure why they wouldn't go for it.
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New NBC polls has Clinton up double digits in Colorado and Virginia, nine in North Carolina (!!!) and five in Florida:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/polls-clinton-running-table-key-battlegrounds-n629136

 

In other North Carolina news, Republican Senator Richard Burr is down two to Democrat Deborah Ross.  Gov. Pat McCrory is down seven to Roy Cooper.

 

Democrat Michael Bennet is primed to keep his Senate seat in Colorado; he's up 15 points.

 

In not so good news, Marco Rubio continues to pull away in Florida.  He doubled his lead to six points since the last time NBC did a poll; Florida Democrats really fucked up this year.

 

The most important numbers from these battleground states might be Obama's approval ratings:

 

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Finally, President Obama's job-approval rating among registered voters stands at 53 percent in Colorado, 49 percent in Florida, 50 percent in North Carolina and 52 percent in Virginia.
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That being said, looking at paintings like these and laughing at them is one thing, but I can imagine that there are a good number of folks that look at that Trump painting, and without recognizing it's absurdity, say out loud without an ounce of irony, "Fuck yeah, that's fucking awesome...Trump 2016 mutherfucker"

Exactly. Thank you for clarifying Zhukov! I was unware of the artist.

 

That said (and as Mangy said), that image is being adopted as a genuine celebration of Trump. This is further evidenced by the fact that some people have done this to it:

 

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Kinda like Reagan using 'Born in the USA', isn't it?

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That's Trump rolling into town to tank the United States.
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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post

Robo-FDR. I actually have that one on my wall.

You'd think the wheelchair parts would have tipped me off. I may need to check my eyesight.
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Kinda like Reagan using 'Born in the USA', isn't it?

 

'Murica.

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fuck yeah!

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What's the Jimmy Carter one?  How are peanuts involved?

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Tell me it involves a battle with a swimming rabbit.
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So now Trump calling the president the "founder" of ISIS was SARCASM, people.  Kevin Drum has a fantastic write-up on Mother Jones:

 

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/08/donald-trump-recycling-lbjs-pig-fucker-strategy

 

And Vox goes into more detail on why the "sarcasm" excuse demonstrates how Trump would be a terrible president:

 

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/12/12453452/trump-obama-founded-isis-sarcasm-serious

 

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What makes Trump’s new excuse so absurd — and so unnerving — is what it says about how he’d fare as president. People all around the world tend to take what the president of the United States says very seriously. Which is why presidents don’t usually make a habit of communicating through sarcasm or by saying things and then claiming they weren’t serious.

 

Presidents don’t go out and constantly "joke" about invading countries, or about their economic policies, or about their political opponents being terrorists. They tend to put thought into what they say, because the risk of being misunderstood is too high. The fact that CNN (and others) will take what you say seriously is the whole point.

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Ahahahahaha!
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Bullshit on the sarcasm.  He doubled down on it the next day when given the opportunity to do so.

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I love when the "ticker", or whatever it is called, on CNN posts a headline and then also corrects the statement because it is so absurd.  I don't have a screenshot but they had something like this yesterday:

 

TRUMP CLAIMS OBAMA STARTED ISIS (HE DIDN'T)

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Trump doesn't know what "sarcasm" means.

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Trump doesn't know what "sarcasm" means.

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Daniel Dale ?@ddale8  9m9 minutes ago
Hahaha. Donald Trump says "of course I'm being sarcastic" that "Obama is the founder"...and then his crowd cheers at "Obama is the founder."

 

Daniel Dale ?@ddale8  8m8 minutes ago
My goodness. Trump flip-flops AGAIN on Obama and ISIS: "Of course I'm being sarcastic - but not THAT sarcastic, to be honest with you."

Trump's MO is simple: if the crowd cheers, he will say it forever.

 

EDIT: Oh, and who introduced him on stage today: Reince Priebus, who said the following:

 

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Daniel Dale ?@ddale8  43m43 minutes ago
Republican chairman Reince Priebus, introducing Trump: "Hillary Clinton has a problem with lying."
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

Bullshit on the sarcasm.  He doubled down on it the next day when given the opportunity to do so.

It's just commitment to the joke!  Really, you gotta admire the guy.  Shrewery Cuntun doesn't even have a sense of humor!!

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Reince Priebus basically just needs to be forced to spend the rest of his life with a Trump mask bolted to his face, so that everyone will know.
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Originally Posted by Draco Senior View Post
 

So now Trump calling the president the "founder" of ISIS was SARCASM, people.  Kevin Drum has a fantastic write-up on Mother Jones:

 

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/08/donald-trump-recycling-lbjs-pig-fucker-strategy

 

And Vox goes into more detail on why the "sarcasm" excuse demonstrates how Trump would be a terrible president:

 

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/12/12453452/trump-obama-founded-isis-sarcasm-serious

 

 

 

Others have made the same point recently, but it really is incredible how the "straight talkin'" candidate has to spend all day every day explaining what he actually meant to say.

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Others have made the same point recently, but it really is incredible how the "straight talkin'" candidate has to spend all day every day explaining what he actually meant to say.

But he's still better than Clinton. We're talking cats and dogs living together, man!

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https://media.giphy.com/media/7yTqXVALy7Fwk/giphy.gif

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I love when the "ticker", or whatever it is called, on CNN ...

 

Reasor calls it a "HUD", which is military jargon for "Heads Up Display".  Did I mention that Reasor can kick some ass too?

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I've seen it referred to as a "chyron."
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Trump's being sarcastic....but not that sarcastic, if he's "gonna be honest."

 

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It's not a joke. These people exist. There is no talking these people down. They just become more and more impassioned. It's sick and scary as hell. We talk about how we need Clinton in office, and I have my fingers crossed she makes it; yet, I cannot shake off what it means for years to come. Not just a broken and angry Republican party, but also the lunatics that have come out of the woodwork this election. In my lifetime I have never seen anything like it, and it kills me to see such demagoguery. Where in the world did we go wrong?

 

 

 

 

That's just it man.I am a pretty pessimistic person so I can't help but feel we are in the later stages of the Roman Republic. Even if Trump loses, the damage has been done. He has made this kind of insane rhetoric the norm and the Republicans deliberate gridlock in Congress has made people want results at any cost. The Republican Party since at least the Bush Jr era has been leading us to this moment. My biggest fear is that when we eventually do get a Republican President again, they simple won't give a shit and will use executive orders willy nilly to do what they want. Even worse, a large number of people won't care because things are finally "getting done." I hope it is all just a dying gasp of an increasing irrelevant group in American society instead of the the beginning of the end for the Republic.    

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That's just it man.I am a pretty pessimistic person so I can't help but feel we are in the later stages of the Roman Republic. Even if Trump loses, the damage has been done. He has made this kind of insane rhetoric the norm and the Republicans deliberate gridlock in Congress has made people want results at any cost. The Republican Party since at least the Bush Jr era has been leading us to this moment. My biggest fear is that when we eventually do get a Republican President again, they simple won't give a shit and will use executive orders willy nilly to do what they want. Even worse, a large number of people won't care because things are finally "getting done." I hope it is all just a dying gasp of an increasing irrelevant group in American society instead of the the beginning of the end for the Republic.    

 

There's blame in both parties to be shared in terms of blockage/shit not getting done.  I'll put more blame on the Republican side, but the Democrats are not completely innocent in all of this.

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Trump's being sarcastic....but not that sarcastic, if he's "gonna be honest."

 

 

He really does say what his audience is thinking, though.  Because these are people who believe such absurd things that, when they are actually given voice, they're often completely contradictory... if they make any sense at all, that is.  He is the candidate for people who are bitter and angry for vague reasons that they don't really understand.  

 

 

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Aaaad I just realized all Democrats would have to do to win the election easily is go to Republican heavy areas and set up fake polling places, just outside the actual polling places, with cardboard cutouts instead of people.

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The Democratic Party is just awful. Unfortunately it's the only game in town.
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