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post #51 of 22490
Lol he might not last as governor by the mid of the year.
post #52 of 22490

I don't think he'll step down.  Unlike Democrats, Republicans tend to just weather it out.  To me, it's obvious he ordered this debacle but whatevs.  The media isn't done deifying Christie since he's about the only semi-sane, semi-presentable prospect the Republicans have got, and they can't sell ads on a lopsided contest.

post #53 of 22490
True, but if he is guilty of all these corruption as it seems, than he can't really stay in office and definitely can't run for president.

The thing that people can't stand is when politicians do dirty politics and unethical possible illegal actions. He's done same as former GOP "golden child" Bob McDonnell.

It's not like this was a sex scandal. I bet he is wishing it was, though the rest of America? Not so much.
post #54 of 22490
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Originally Posted by yt View Post

I don't think he'll step down.  Unlike Democrats, Republicans tend to just weather it out.  To me, it's obvious he ordered this debacle but whatevs.  The media isn't done deifying Christie since he's about the only semi-sane, semi-presentable prospect the Republicans have got, and they can't sell ads on a lopsided contest.

Amend that to "the media needed a semi-sane, semi presentable Republican prospect, so they cast Christie for the role" and I'll agree.
post #55 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post


Amend that to "the media needed a semi-sane, semi presentable Republican prospect, so they cast Christie for the role" and I'll agree.

 

I agree completely.  He's personable in interviews but behind the scenes he's as skeevy and corrupt as your average Republican lawmaker, considering some of the callous, awful s*** he's done in office.  Let's just say I can see him swaying more people than Ted Cruz, for example, at least those who don't look too deeply into it.

post #56 of 22490

From last November. Still good. Kelly at the Onion may be my favorite political cartoonist.

 

post #57 of 22490

This is the best thing ever. 

 

 

post #58 of 22490
So could Schweitzer be the alternative to Hillary? The thing I worry about him is he could be the Christie of the left. He's very likable and his creative way to veto bills could get people to support him. But I love his stance on universal healthcare, and I feel he could easily take the red states in the primaries vs Hillary.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/brian-schweitzer-obamacare-102204.html
post #59 of 22490

Christie used to lobby for an organization that had Bernie Madoff as it's chairman.  I'm pretty sure he's reached a glass ceiling.

post #60 of 22490
HAHAHAHA! This is great! This is why you should never depend on NY/NJ politicians!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/chris-christies-crisis-plunges-republican-party-deeper-into?s=mobile

This looks bad for the establishment GOP. Looks like they really might of been on the Christie train (though I thought that being overly optomistic like with Guiliani in 08) and feel there are no good alternatives.

The article says they might have to support Kaisich and Walker now, and can see some longshot picks could be Ryan, Jindal, Rubio or Perry (as someone the loonies and moderates can tolerate). But it's obvious that they really are scared to death and might have to beg Jeb to run as not to have the entire map turn bright blue, if Hillary runs against someone like Paul or Cruz. I think the best line in the article is, "We might need Mitt back!" HAHAHAHA!

God 2016 is looking like an utter disaster for the GOP and while I don't think 2014 will be a mauling for the conservatives I feel it will either be a dead heat or slight win or loss vs the Democrats. But 2016 is looking like a beating of the Republicans not seen since the days of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and I would love if the map looked like this!


Edited by KaylaisMagic - 1/17/14 at 4:35pm
post #61 of 22490

All I know is that I'm gonna write yt in as my candidate for every position in the mid-terms and the general.

post #62 of 22490

More Christie news this morning, this time bullying the mayor of Hoboken over Sandy relief money.

 

This guy is going to be done as governor pretty soon I think.

 

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/mayor-christie-camp-held-sandy-money-hostage

post #63 of 22490
And people were laughing when I said he wouldn't make it till June as governor.

God what is wrong with New Jeresy as state. So much corruption. Corzine had issues with that too. And obviously American Hustle showed that point as well. NJ might be the biggest embarrassment in the north east, it's makes the terrible things happening in New York look like child's play.
post #64 of 22490

How long ago was it that Rabbis and state congressmen in NJ were in some weird body part selling deal.

post #65 of 22490

It's been said before....2 words: "Boardwalk Empire"

post #66 of 22490
If New Jersey didn't exist, Saturday Night Live would have had to invent it almost forty years ago.
post #67 of 22490
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Originally Posted by KaylaisMagic View Post

...it's makes the terrible things happening in New York look like child's play.

 

What terrible things?  Them's fightin' words!

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post #69 of 22490
Yeah people are freaking about the whole gun control law in New York it's kind of disaster. Than there are the blue dog democrats joking up with the republicans to kill progressive agendas, Joseph Bruno and Governor Pattersons careers existing. Oh and i forgot about the state chair of the homeland security using his gun as a laser pointer but We're bad but at least were not New Jeresey.
post #70 of 22490

I agree, the NYPD should be disarmed. That's what he meant, right?
post #71 of 22490
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Originally Posted by KaylaisMagic View Post

Yeah people are freaking about the whole gun control law in New York it's kind of disaster. Than there are the blue dog democrats joking up with the republicans to kill progressive agendas, Joseph Bruno and Governor Pattersons careers existing. Oh and i forgot about the state chair of the homeland security using his gun as a laser pointer but We're bad but at least were not New Jeresey.

"People are freaking out about it".  Who?  I live here, no one is freaking out in NYC. The State Chair of Homeland Security... I don't even know who or what that is, but using his gun as a laser pointer doesn't really sound like national news to me.  

 

Um... have you heard of Florida?

post #72 of 22490
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Originally Posted by neil spurn View Post

"People are freaking out about it".  Who?  I live here, no one is freaking out in NYC. The State Chair of Homeland Security... I don't even know who or what that is, but using his gun as a laser pointer doesn't really sound like national news to me.  

Um... have you heard of Florida?

Yeah not in NYC obviously. But here in crappy upstate NY people are super bitching about. You forget not all New York is like the city. There are scary people up here you don't even know!

But yeah there are way worse states than is (ie most of the south and Midwest) but I was trying to stretch to say we have issues but nothing comparable to Florida or New Jersey.
post #73 of 22490
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Originally Posted by KaylaisMagic View Post


Yeah not in NYC obviously. But here in crappy upstate NY people are super bitching about. You forget not all New York is like the city. There are scary people up here you don't even know!

But yeah there are way worse states than is (ie most of the south and Midwest) but I was trying to stretch to say we have issues but nothing comparable to Florida or New Jersey.

 

Hmmm.  Sounds like you should move.

 

Full disclosure, I spent 4 years in Syracuse for college a loooong time ago.  And again, I have to recommend to you - move.

post #74 of 22490

Is this every possibility?  Who might be missing?

 

Democrats

Republicans
Hilary Clinton Jeb Bush
Joe Biden Ted Cruz
Elizabeth Warren Rand Paul
Bernie Sanders Paul Ryan
Al Gore Chris Christie
Jerry Brown Marco Rubio
Julian Castro Jon Huntsman
Corey Booker Rick Santorum
Scweitzer Mike Huckabee
  Mitt Romney
  Tim Pawlenty
  Herman Cain
  Rick Perry
  Scott Walker
  Bobby Jindal
   
   
post #75 of 22490
Newton Leroy Gingrich has not run for president for the final time; he would have made a bigger deal about retiring if he had. I'm expecting Newt to run a fake campaign in order to collect donations right up until whatever cutoff date CNN gives him in order to avoid having to quit his Crossfire gig, then bowing out as gracefully as his ego and his animus toward his ancient enemy, Hillary, permits, without actually endorsing any other candidate from the Republican party.

When you list them all like that, the lack of female Republican candidates to run against Hillary is remarkable, isn't it? It's as if Michelle Bachmann sprang fully-formed in 2012 from the residue of Taylor Marsh's and Geraldine Ferraro's racist resentments over a black man becoming President before a white woman, then blew away in the first strong breeze.
post #76 of 22490
I think the only possible female candidate would be New Mexico governor Susanna Martinez. She did downplay rumors but she would be the only competent female pick for the GOP. Everyone else is crazy. I highly doubt we will honestly get a female candidate if Hillary doesn't run. But whoever wins the Democratic nomination has an excellent chance at winning the presidency right now, though that could change but things right now don't look good for Republicans.
post #77 of 22490

I could see some in the GOP trying to get SC Gov. Nikki Haley on the ticket but, like most GOP choices, she has some negative baggage.

The hardcore GOPers won't like her because one- she's a woman...and two- "she's got 'fer-ner' blood in her" which of course makes her not a 'true american'.


Edited by VTRan - 1/19/14 at 2:49pm
post #78 of 22490

Okay well I am going to make the list as inclusive as possible for now.

 

Democrats Republicans
Hilary Clinton Jeb Bush
Joe Biden Ted Cruz
Elizabeth Warren Rand Paul
Bernie Sanders Paul Ryan
Al Gore Chris Christie
Jerry Brown Marco Rubio
Julian Castro Jon Huntsman
Cory Booker Rick Santorum
Brian Schweitzer Mike Huckabee
Deval Patrick Mitt Romney
Rahm Emmanuel Tim Pawlenty
Mark Warner Herman Cain
Martin O'Malley Rick Perry
Dennis Kucinich Scott Walker
Kathleen Sebelius Bobby Jindal
Andrew Cuomo Newt Gingrich
Kamala Harris Susanna Martinez
  Nikki Haley
  Kelly Ayotte
  Condoleeza Rice
  Bob McDonnell
  Rob Portman
   
   

Edited by Rylander - 1/19/14 at 9:01pm
post #79 of 22490

Is Andrew Cuomo viable for 2016?

post #80 of 22490

Yes, Cuomo is in the mix I think.  I forgot to include him.  Thanks

post #81 of 22490
I don't feel Cuomo has national wide appeal. He is way too much of a New Yorker. Also he is kind of divisive here as the governor. I highly doubt he could win the NY Primary. He did win by big numbers, but that was more because that whole race was a giant circus.
post #82 of 22490

I actually looked up some gambling odds sites for 2016, and Cuomo was 12-1 and ahead of everyone but Hilary on the Dems side.

post #83 of 22490

It's fascinating to watch the Long Knives carve up Christie (heehee). There's no question that Christie's been revealed to be a thug of Nixonian proportions, but this campaign, and how new revelations are being dripped out into the Mediasphere, tells me the Big Guy has made some enemies who want his blood. Could it be the Koch Bros, who want a True Believer as a candidate in 2016? Local Jerseyites, eager to bring Christie down?  The GOP mainliners, who are clearing the way for a chosen candidate? We may never know.

 

As for the other potential candidates, I'm not excited by any of them on either side.

 

Hilary would be a competent POTUS, but not a great one IMO. She'd inspire a lot of women by virtue of being elected, but do we really think she'll be anything other than a "same ole same old" leader?

 

I think Paul Ryan could have a shot at being nominated. No one will even remember Romney in 2016. And thus far Ryan just has an embarrassing "Poochie" photo to live down.

 

I would have picked Cruz as a front runner until I saw him interviewed on Fox News. He appeared totally out of his depth, like some High School class president suddenly put on national TV, and looked like he was shitting himself trying to remember and articulate his talking points. And this is on the friendliest forum imaginable for him.

 

I can't even think of anyone else who seems plausible at this point.


Edited by Cylon Baby - 1/21/14 at 6:41pm
post #84 of 22490
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Originally Posted by KaylaisMagic View Post

I don't feel Cuomo has national wide appeal. He is way too much of a New Yorker. Also he is kind of divisive here as the governor. I highly doubt he could win the NY Primary. 

 

 

Simply not true, as per the NY Times article from today: Majority of New Yorkers Say They Would Re-Elect Cuomo

post #85 of 22490
Thread Starter 
Condi would be a solid consideration for a VP slot. I'd expect her to take a run at the primaries.

Dont forget Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, and Florida Gov. Batboy.

But seriously its Jeb vs. Hillary.
post #86 of 22490

I can only see Condi going local, not national.  She strikes me as much too private, and with WAY too much to hide or run away from, to put herself in that kind of spotlight.

 

If Christie really does crash and burn I can see Jeb being "persuaded" to run.  But maybe this will be another year for a sacrificial candidate like Romney but older, more distinguished and with some kind of a record.  Like a Bob Dole for today.  I can't think of who that might be though, but it would fit their style to sacrifice someone who at least has some dignity. 

post #87 of 22490
An appearance on the ticket by Condoleezza Rice would be a buffet for critics of Bush's foreign policy, whether legit or crackpots. I'd be surprised if anyone from that President's cabinet were to continue to advance upward in politics in my lifetime.

Needless to say, I very much want to see Condi run. I just think she's smart enough not to.
post #88 of 22490
Yeah, this way too early to talk about this. We still have a midterm elections to get through and literally anything can happen in two years. This is far too early. In 2006 people were talking Hillary vs Gore and almost no one heard of Barrack Obama. So who the hell knows what will happen.
post #89 of 22490
Speculation about 2016 will inevitably be a part of the story of the mid term elections; while I don't think that the campaign has run out of surprises for us, I don't think it's too early to have fun speculating.

Too early to make Bingo cards out of stupid shit we think we're going to hear at the debates, sure; but not too early to have fun speculating.
post #90 of 22490

I really don't think anyone with any connection to George W. Bush has a chance. The Republicans are going to want to prevent people from thinking about 2000-2008 if they want to win. People are often ready to vote for the other party at the end of a two-term president's run, but exhume the Bush years and they'll go screaming into the arms of the nearest Democrat.

post #91 of 22490
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post

I really don't think anyone with any connection to George W. Bush has a chance. The Republicans are going to want to prevent people from thinking about 2000-2008 if they want to win. People are often ready to vote for the other party at the end of a two-term president's run, but exhume the Bush years and they'll go screaming into the arms of the nearest Democrat.

Not sure I buy that. There are PLENTY of people nationwide who pine for the 2000's of yore. Case in point:




Rose colored glasses beats critical thinking every time.



Oh wait, did I reference critical thinking? Silly me, this is America in 2014!
post #92 of 22490
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Originally Posted by neil spurn View Post


Not sure I buy that. There are PLENTY of people nationwide who pine for the 2000's of yore. Case in point:


Rose colored glasses beats critical thinking every time.

 

There are people who think like that, yes. But not a majority. If there were, Romney would have won.

 

Despite the volume and obnoxiousness of the voices complaining about Obama, most Americans like him better than Bush. If Obama seems like he's getting more flak, it's because he's the guy who's actually here, now, running the country, and the grass is always greener. It's possible that there have been certain low-ebb points where, if a magical wishing genie had appeared and offered America the chance to instantaneously vote Dubya back into office, they might have taken it. But in any practical, realistic sense, Bush's presidency is seen as a loser to voters. People are aware he caused the economic crash that's still afflicting us and the wars everyone hates. His handling of Katrina (which actually affected human beings in the immediate present, as opposed to all the stupid decisions that took years to show consequences) made him deeply unpopular, and people haven't forgotten it. Whereas the substantive criticisms of Obama (as opposed to "he's a secret Muslim socialist antichrist") tend to boil down to "he hasn't cleaned up Bush's messes". It's not a coincidence that the Republicans have tried to shuffle Bush offstage whenever possible, as early as the 2008 convention. The LAST thing they want is to put the spotlight back on him by nominating someone who bears his stench. Even when the right wing noise machine makes reference to Bush it's usually an attempt to make Obama look AS BAD ("this is Obama's Katrina!")

 

Be cynical about the American voter, but don't get too condescending. There is a point where self-interest kicks in. The Republicans won for a long time by skirting that line, and by virtue of the fact that the windfall of the Clinton years insulated people from immediate consequences, and 9/11 made them paranoid and easily malleable. It was a bit of a perfect storm, really. The reasons Republicans are still struggling on a national level is because they got used to those two huge crutches, both of which are fading.

 

There's tons of stuff that could go wrong between now and 2016. I can absolutely believe a sufficiently charismatic Tea Party candidate could win the election if he scored the GOP nomination, which would be a disaster. But just going "Americans will vote for George W Bush again because they are DERP DERP DERP" is dismissive. It's going to take at least a generation to rehabilitate Bush, and I think no one's going to care enough to do so by then.

post #93 of 22490

Exhibit A

 

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/23/gops_deep_bench_for_2016_is_now_in_splinters/

 

Exhibit B

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/23/1272080/-The-Republicans-field-for-2016-is-BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA

 

I don't see anyone on that list 'smarter' than Condi.  They got nothin' yet again.  Of course it's totally too soon to say that, but still.

post #94 of 22490

I don't know if I necessarily buy this idea but given the state of the GOP....

 

Rand Paul Is the 2016 Republican Frontrunner

Don't laugh. He has built-in advantages in Iowa and New Hampshire, a party moving in his direction, and formidable fundraising potential.


<excerpt>:

So if Christie is no longer the candidate to beat in the 2016 Republican race, who is? Believe it or not, it’s Rand Paul.

To understand the Kentucky senator’s hidden strength, it’s worth remembering this basic fact about the modern GOP: It almost never nominates first-time candidates. Since 1980, George W. Bush is the only first-timer to win a Republican nomination. And since Bush used the political network his father built, he enjoyed many of the benefits of someone who had run before. It’s the same with Paul. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, he begins with an unparalleled infrastructure left over from his father Ron Paul’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns.

post #95 of 22490
No. There is no front runner. I would of said Christie before his corruption scandals. But right now I would put the top candidates as Rubio or Ryan. No one else to me seems like a real option against the Democrats right now. I don't know maybe Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rogers could have a chance to rise the ranks in the GOP nominiation race but if she chokes giving the establshment GOP response like Jindal than you can count her out as well.

But right now I'd say the strongest candidate is Rubio, even with that poor response from last year. They're pretty doomed though.
post #96 of 22490
I would have expected Ron Paul's 2008 and 2012 campaign infrastructure to have graduated from college, got exploited in some entry level jobs, realized how much worse it could be without a government to enforce labor laws, and rejected everything their goldbug sensei stood for by now.
post #97 of 22490
The Pauliens are at best a fringe part of the national landscape. Sure Paul probably has his senate seat on lockdown but there is no way the establishment lets him get the nomination he has very little upside as standard bearer of the GOP, unless they want someone who will get destroyed like McGovern or Mondale.

He's to out of the mainstream, if he gets more crossover appeal he might be put on the ticket as VP nom but he would have to massively do better than his dad did.

But I doubt that since his foreign policy (his only real strength for independents) is a major hindrance with the establishment and he has issues with lying and being a plagirist and the fact his co-author for his book was a racist that wore a confederate flag mask to antagonize people.

So I still say the strongest pick with the corruption issues is Rubio but any of the pick of the litter for the GOP in 2016 is pretty poor.
post #98 of 22490
And you're new front runner for the GOP is Mike Huckabee! Please let him win that would fill me up with so much joy to hear his concession speech where he says "America has finally fallen in the hands of satan and the demonic forces have conned you to elect the "whore of Babylon!"

But in all seriousness if the base are going for religious zealots like Santorum and Huckabee than they are in big trouble. But after hearing the Republican response to the State of the Union this doesn't seem to far far fetched.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/poll-mike-huckabee-leads-2016-gop-hopefuls-102813.html#ixzz2rqi9ODWo
post #99 of 22490
Republicans will play musical chairs with their "frontrunners" until the national convention in two and a half years. They should just call the frontrunner their dickhead du jour.
post #100 of 22490

That's a great metaphor because the supposed winner/nominee will seem to be winning for a minute, then have the chair withdrawn from behind them and fall on their ass.  Just like 2012.  Thinking back, it's beyond laughable that  Bachman, Cain, Gingrich or Perry were ever taken seriously.

 

Huck already stepped in it a week ago with his war on women denials.  And blamed Dems for encouraging women to choose to be sluts with free birth control?  heh?

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