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post #9851 of 22490
Wouldn't the opportune moment have been while there were still some other fucking Republicans running for the party's nomination?
post #9852 of 22490

Benghazi was a gun-running operation for Syrian rebels, that's done been known. The responsibility for it almost certainly lies with the person running that op: David Petraeus.

 
Do I find it coincidental that sometime after Benghazi he was forced into retirement in disgrace? Possibly not.​
 
Do I find it strange that people think running guns suddenly became the remit of the State Department, and not the CIA, which historically has handled this shit, and which was also operating out of the Consulate safehouse? Possibly, yes.

Do I find it perplexing that Ambassador Stevens was personally involved in the gun-running operation? Yes, that is the mysterious part of it. If Assange has some documents shedding light on Stevens' actions, by all means, lets see it. If he was handling this stuff at the behest of his boss, then absolutely Clinton should be held to account. I can imagine a situation in which State was providing some kind of diplomatic cover for the operation, but in all the tens of thousands of documents that have worked their way into the public, there is not a lot to suggest this.
 
Personally, I find it unlikely that Clinton would go out of her way to stick her dick in a CIA op, especially considering the long-running tensions between DOD, Langley and Foggy Bottom. Keep in mind this was shortly after Petraeus and Leon Panetta did that baffling job-swap thing, which almost certainly led to the operational command confusion that left the Consulate hanging while the Libyan militias made off with the guns.
 
And this all goes to demonstrate why the Benghazi investigations have been this weird kabuki thing, where nobody is allowed to actually discuss what happened. Except for that one time Steve King shot his mouth about it, I guess, and he was quickly knocked into line.
post #9853 of 22490
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post
 

 

If you look at only HotAir, Townhall and other RW websites of course this is a 'bombshell'....but as usual, there is much more detail to this story that they dismiss or ignore.

 

Fact Check: Republicans Are Lying About Obama’s “Secret” $400 Million Payment To Iran


I didn't read it at any of those sites. Again, it was splashed across the front page of the NY Daily News, generally a left-leaning publication.

 

The link you provided indicates that 1) the money transfer wasn't secret and 2) there is no evidence to prove that the Iranians were paid specifically for the hostages (although they were paid). I'd have to go back and check the News article, but I don't think it makes either claim. And I certainly wasn't making them in my post.

 

If you want to argue the semantics of "bombshell," then I can go back and replace it with "old info that doesn't cast the POTUS in a favorable light and that seems to have resurfaced in a big way in legitimate news sources." Happy now?

post #9854 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Leto II View Post
 

Alex Jones claiming Joe Scarborough sat on the Trump/nukes story "for months" just in the hopes of torpedoing Trump's campaign at an opportune moment:

 

http://www.infowars.com/campaign-responds-to-claim-trump-repeatedly-asked-about-using-nukes/

 

Assuming what Scarborough said is true, I wouldn't put it past him. He's a dick, and given that they fellated Trump for a good long while for ratings while knowing this....ugh.

 

I just hope the rumors about Mika leaving her husband for Joe aren't true. That's too hideous to imagine.

post #9855 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Malmordo View Post
 

 

 

If you want to argue the semantics of "bombshell," then I can go back and replace it with "old info that doesn't cast the POTUS in a favorable light and that seems to have resurfaced in a big way in legitimate news sources." Happy now?

 

Hmm... what have you got in "smoking guns"?

post #9856 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
 

Politico analyzes Trump's management style, and alludes to (but does not explicitly say) that his first Divorce and subsequent Pussy Hound lifestyle deeply affected his management style:

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-donald-trump-boss-employer-company-hired-fired-employees-workers-management-business-214020

I know there is more pertinent info in that article, but everything about this passage is hilarious to me:

 

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This, on the other hand, is what it’s actually like: You, Bernard Goupy, have been the head chef for six months at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, where you serve a Caesar salad in a fancy bowl made from Parmesan cheese. Then one day, Trump stalks into the kitchen yelling about how one of his guests didn’t like the salad. And he angrily demonstrates the proper way to do it, throwing lettuce and tomatoes in a regular bowl and screaming that this is “how we make a Caesar salad where I come from.”


I mean, is there a phrase that could possibly sum up the Trump brand more aptly than "a fancy bowl made from Parmesan cheese"?

 

 

post #9857 of 22490
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post

 

I just hope the rumors about Mika leaving her husband for Joe aren't true. That's too hideous to imagine.

 

Now that you mention it...the signs WERE pretty much there all along...

 

post #9858 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Malmordo View Post
 


I didn't read it at any of those sites. Again, it was splashed across the front page of the NY Daily News, generally a left-leaning publication.

 

The link you provided indicates that 1) the money transfer wasn't secret and 2) there is no evidence to prove that the Iranians were paid specifically for the hostages (although they were paid). I'd have to go back and check the News article, but I don't think it makes either claim. And I certainly wasn't making them in my post.

 

If you want to argue the semantics of "bombshell," then I can go back and replace it with "old info that doesn't cast the POTUS in a favorable light and that seems to have resurfaced in a big way in legitimate news sources." Happy now?

 

A more apropos summary would have been "Reince Priebus desperately attempts to deflect attention from the narcissistic car crash GOP candidate that is Donald Trump by using out of context information"

post #9859 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

Wouldn't the opportune moment have been while there were still some other fucking Republicans running for the party's nomination?

 

Not if your intent is for the Democrats to win.

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At the AV Club, they revealed that for Comedy Central's Roast of Trump back in 2011, the only topic of mockery Trump vetoed was jokes about his actual wealth.

And then someone posted this:

 

 

Holy shit, the seething, barely contained rage on Trump's face.

post #9861 of 22490

That takedown of Trump is so, so delicious. 


ETA: Obama laughing at Meyers' Blacks joke. So great.

post #9862 of 22490

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/3/1556295/-Trump-Spokeswoman-Katrina-Pierson-Gays-Are-Not-Normal

 

The URL really says it all. Someone decided to throw a can of gasoline into the dumpster fire.

post #9863 of 22490

What if Trump is actually secretly an agent of the Democrats, and is actively working to dismantle the GOP? I mean, he's got the Party of Lincoln turned on its ear, and he's made it so fucking easy for Clinton and Obama to defeat him intellectually at every turn.

 

He's gotta be working for the other team. He's just willfully and gleefully creating chaos across the Republican Party.

post #9864 of 22490

:D:eek:;)

Congresswoman says Trump needs a psych evaluation

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Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.) unleashed a series of tweets Wednesday calling on medical professionals to “demand a mental fitness test” for Trump.

 

“Donald Trump is dangerous for our country,” Bass wrote in a Change.org petition. “His impulsiveness and lack of control over his own emotions are of concern. It is our patriotic duty to raise the question of his mental stability to be the commander in chief and leader of the free world.”

 

Bass also argued Trump suffers from narcissistic personality disorder and outlined the symptoms one by one.

 

Questions about Trump’s mental health are typically raised in jest, though various writers and commentators have started to actually wonder if the GOP nominee suffers from a psychological illness.

post #9865 of 22490

Seth Myers really tore Drumpf a new one there. So good.

 

I honestly can't believe how fast this whole thing is unraveling. It's so beautiful!

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Originally Posted by ryoken View Post
 

At the AV Club, they revealed that for Comedy Central's Roast of Trump back in 2011, the only topic of mockery Trump vetoed was jokes about his actual wealth.

And then someone posted this:

 

 

Holy shit, the seething, barely contained rage on Trump's face.

 

 

Wow. Just replaying that clip (around the 0:50-:1:00 mark) several times, you immediately notice that everyone around Trump is actually in motion, moving and laughing, while he sits just ABSOLUTELY STOCK FUCKING STILL, seething and glowering like the Dark Lord of the Sith about to choke a bitch.

 

Holy shit, what an asshole.

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“The current race is which of these two is the more unacceptable, because right now neither of them is acceptable,” Gingrich said in a Wednesday morning telephone interview. “Trump is helping her to win by proving he is more unacceptable than she is.”

Newt Gingrich, allowing himself to be identified as a source by The Washington Post.
post #9868 of 22490
It's almost like it was terribly, hilariously stupid of them to think they could control him or something.
post #9869 of 22490

Say what you want about Meyers.  You don't have to like him, but I love that he's gone unabashedly partisan on his late night show.  No kowtowing to both sides like other hosts have.  Not being objective, and he gets his digs in at Clinton, but he's a talk show host, not a journalist, and he knows that.  Just 100 percent, fuck this guy, I don't care.

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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post


Newt Gingrich, allowing himself to be identified as a source by The Washington Post.

 

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 “Paul has good influence with Donald,” said Charlie Black, a longtime GOP strategist and former business partner of Manafort. “But he’s Donald and he’s going to operate stream of consciousness a lot of times. You just hope he’ll have more days on message than days on consciousness.”

 

Priceless.

post #9871 of 22490
Thinking about Gingrich, and the rarity of people going on the record when they give quotes that nasty to the press, has me wondering if the recent spate of articles we're seeing about Trump's state of mind might not be someone in the GOP's old guard trying to undermine Trump without being seen agreeing with President Obama.
Edited by Reasor - 8/3/16 at 12:51pm
post #9872 of 22490
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

It's almost like it was terribly, hilariously stupid of them to think they could control him or something.

 

post #9873 of 22490

Just came here to post about Gingrich, who's done an amazing about face since the convention.

 

Also: http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/08/03/mike-pence-endorses-paul-ryan.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

 

The URL alone tells it. Are we seeing the engineering of getting Trump out and Pence as the candidate for the Republicans?

post #9874 of 22490
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post

The URL alone tells it. Are we seeing the engineering of getting Trump out and Pence as the candidate for the Republicans?
I've been wondering about that. It seems like their only quasi-viable option at this point, though I have no idea A. whether the party even has a mechanism for doing that other than fiat, or B. how on Earth they'd placate the Trump supporters.
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post


I've been wondering about that. It seems like their only quasi-viable option at this point, though I have no idea A. whether the party even has a mechanism for doing that other than fiat, or B. how on Earth they'd placate the Trump supporters.

 

I think they are getting so desperate that they are prepared to write off the Trump faithful.

 

With Pence, they can still court the fundamentalist religious vote (not that this would help) and try and marginalize the uber-extreme Trump fans. Of course the Venn diagram of the GOP has a lot of overlap, so.....???

post #9876 of 22490
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post
I've been wondering about that. It seems like their only quasi-viable option at this point, though I have no idea A. whether the party even has a mechanism for doing that other than fiat, or B. how on Earth they'd placate the Trump supporters.

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/03/the-rnc-can-legally-dump-donald-trump-but-it-has-to-act-fast.html

 

There are a number of ways it could happen, but they'll need to act soon.

post #9877 of 22490
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post


I've been wondering about that. It seems like their only quasi-viable option at this point, though I have no idea A. whether the party even has a mechanism for doing that other than fiat, or B. how on Earth they'd placate the Trump supporters.

 

Could be they've determined that placating Trump supporters is a losing proposition for future elections, and probably this one too.

post #9878 of 22490

they've played Free's "All Right Now" when Trump comes out a couple times now (at least twice)...it just seems like a weird/awkward song to use based on the lyrics.

post #9879 of 22490

Man, I'm glad I've still got several weeks off before getting back to teaching -- means I get to sit back and watch this whole GOP China Syndrome meltdown-event unfold at my leisure without trying to follow it between class periods or on my lunch-break.

post #9880 of 22490

Right now, Trump's foaming and screaming at a rally about the "$400 million" to Iran.

 

EDIT: ...And holy Christ, he just tried to pin it all on Hillary ("It's all CROOKED HILLARY'S fault!!"), despite John Kerry being Secretary of State at that point. Reality means nothing to this guy.

post #9881 of 22490

I would have thought he'd scoff at such a tiny, tiny amount of money.

post #9882 of 22490

I'm glad that this Khan issue has stuck.  For whatever reason, THIS issue seems to be the one that starts the ball rolling, letting other issues dogpile on Trump in a manner that really shows him scrambling and being his own worst enemy.  We can only hope that additional issues keep adding gasoline to the fire over the next few days because he CAN recover from this if he shuts up, stays out of the limelight, and let's shit blow over for a week.  We really can't let that happen.

post #9883 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post

We can only hope that additional issues keep adding gasoline to the fire over the next few days because he CAN recover from this if he shuts up, stays out of the limelight, and let's shit blow over for a week.  We really can't let that happen.

I don't think Trump has it in his character to lay low and let heat blow over. It would take somebody convincing one of his kids to drug him like B.A. Baracus.
post #9884 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Leto II View Post
 

Right now, Trump's foaming and screaming at a rally about the "$400 million" to Iran.

Plus space, South China Sea fortresses, factories in Mexico, 9/11, big league tax cuts, Iranian paparazzi and Bernie Sanders supporters... It just a non-sensical stream of words. And now: "They've taken our jobs!" Jesus Christ...

post #9885 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post


I don't think Trump has it in his character to lay low and let heat blow over. It would take someone convincing one of his kids to drug him like B.A. Baracus.

 

It is possible that the RNC will convince his children that 'Dad needs to lay low for a week and not do any media'.  If the kids can be convinced, then they would have the best shot at getting Donald to take a week off from doing anything.  They need a week at least of him not putting his foot in his mouth to right the ship.

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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post


I've been wondering about that. It seems like their only quasi-viable option at this point, though I have no idea A. whether the party even has a mechanism for doing that other than fiat, or B. how on Earth they'd placate the Trump supporters.

 

Easy.

 

GOP: "No more Trump."

 

SUPPORTERS: "WHAT?! Why?"

 

GOP: "Doesn't matter. Now it's this guy."

 

SUPPORTERS: "..."

 

SUPPORTERS: "YAY THIS GUY. FUCK HILLARY!"

post #9887 of 22490
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post

It is possible that the RNC will convince his children that 'Dad needs to lay low for a week and not do any media'. If the kids can be convinced, then they would have the best shot at getting Donald to take a week off from doing anything. They need a week at least of him not putting his foot in his mouth to right the ship.
But there's three months to go until the election. Even if you somehow contrive to get him out of the spotlight for a week (and good luck doing that when he's on the longest sustained ego-trip of his life right now,) you know he's going to go right back to the same shit the minute he comes back onstage - hell, he'd probably go extra-crazy to make up for lost time. Unless they plan to campaign by disappearing him to a bunker in the Arctic Circle and letting Pence do all the talking?

Dumping him seems like their only even remotely viable chance at this point. The question is whether they have the stones to go for it.
post #9888 of 22490
They didn't 86 him before the convention, they didn't 86 him at the convention, they're not going to 86 him now. Republicans are stupid fucking people who don't know how to fix a problem, only how to exacerbate one.
post #9889 of 22490
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Dumping him seems like their only even remotely viable chance at this point. The question is whether they have the stones to go for it.

 

Some polls still show him as a possibility to win, and he's still polling well in many states.  He's STILL viable even now, which is what's fucking scary.  We need to keep adding gasoline to the fire so that outrage continues to build.  It's all about momentum...he can and has survived hits that knock him down for a day or two and then go away.  This Khan shit is sticking and other issues over the past 48 hours are keeping momentum going, and we need 5 days more of this concentrated, focused shitstorm to really have an effect beyond something temporary.

post #9890 of 22490

Now is the time to pounce.

RELEASE THE BIDEN!!

post #9891 of 22490

This "secret" payment to Iran makes me chuckle. For the GOP, "secret" is now a euphemism for "thing I was expected to read."

post #9892 of 22490
Thread Starter 
It's heartening to see some kind of normality restored.

Watching Trump's campaign has been like seeing a gold-plated Yugo with no tires winning a NASCAR race.
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I wonder if Trump (let alone the crowd he's screaming to) even knows that that $400 million "payment" was just the US government unfreezing Iran's international bank accounts, which the US had ordered locked up until they were satisfied that Iran had dismantled its nuclear program NEVER MIND, CORRECTION BELOW

ETA: I had my facts mixed up, because I've been hearing the $400 million story and the nuclear disarmament deal in the same breath by too many people, too many times. That money was Iran's funds being returned to them, but it was a refund for an arms deal with Shah Mohammed Pahlavi, which the Carter White House bailed out on after the Iranians had paid. The Carter administration cited the 1979 takeover of the US Embassy in Iran as a reason to cancel the deal, but keep Iran's money. The Obama administration did agree to return the funds when the disarmament deal with Iran was struck.

The source for the correction is the White House press release on the release of the money, dated in January. (This means that the release of the funds was hardly done in secret, either.)
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Edited by Reasor - 8/3/16 at 2:50pm
post #9894 of 22490
Oh, right. We had those sanctions to compel them to negotiate a deal in the first place. It's less sexy than nuking them to oblivion, but hey.
post #9895 of 22490
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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber View Post

It's heartening to see some kind of normality restored.

Watching Trump's campaign has been like seeing a gold-plated Yugo with no tires winning a NASCAR race.

Well, good ol Smokey Yunick could probably pull that one off
post #9896 of 22490
Trump told a crowd in Daytona, Florida, that 9/11 could have been prevented if anyone had been listening to his ideas about immigration back then.
post #9897 of 22490
Or if Bush had bothered to read a PDB.
post #9898 of 22490
I wish I had thought of one of the comments at the bottom of the article: "Timothy McVeigh never would have bombed the Oklahoma City Building if Reagan had only banned white people!"
post #9899 of 22490

Apparently Clint Eastwood wasn't acting in GRAN TURINO after all.  What a dick.

post #9900 of 22490

Burn all the copies of The Man With No Name trilogy! Disqualify Unforgiven as one of the best goddamn westerns! Remove his entire catalogue from history, I say!

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