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post #51 of 105
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Did it ever occur to you that it's the content of what you post that might be the catalyst for the 'attacks'?

 

Of course it does Captain Obvious.

 

What's really funny is that where I'm from and on local message boards I'm usually considered a far Liberal. Then I come here and most hate me because I'm some conservative devil.

 

Being in the middle is sometimes exhausting.

post #52 of 105
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I work for the government, we are ALWAYS looking to expand resources and power. It's job security.

 

Physician, heal thyself.

 

On a more serious note, mostly because enforcing the utterly vague indecency standards promulgated by the Supreme Court after interpreting the Federal Communications Act is a pain in the ass.  The FCC gets hauled to court all the time because the standard can only be applied unevenly.  It costs money, time and effort to defend those lawsuits.

post #53 of 105
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Of course it does Captain Obvious.

 

What's really funny is that where I'm from and on local message boards I'm usually considered a far Liberal. Then I come here and most hate me because I'm some conservative devil.

 

Being in the middle is sometimes exhausting.


Just because you are considered 'left' on those local message boards you mentioned does not necessarily mean that you are in the actual political 'middle'.

post #54 of 105

Seriously?  Are we going to have a liberal dick-measuring contest now or something?

 

 

 

post #55 of 105
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Seriously?  Are we going to have a liberal dick-measuring contest now or something?

 

Not at all....just a call for a bit of self reflection. 

Some of the hardcore conservatives (authoritarians) I've met are/were unwilling to indulge in introspective thought.

 

Case in point- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3BPK8ahNPo

post #56 of 105
My liberal dick is 3"...




...from the floor.
post #57 of 105
What's weird is Bradito lost his legs and was left with these 3 inch nubs.
post #58 of 105

I was going to go for a Bradito is '...more Frodo than Aragorn' joke, but that works.

 

: )

post #59 of 105
:'(

That's the last time I steal a joke from Ron Jeremy.
Edited by Bradito - 2/5/15 at 10:57am
post #60 of 105
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Originally Posted by WendellEverett View Post

 

 

On Friday the county level data-services where I live were "slow" while I was trying to update public info, then the fucking bank had the same issues while I'm trying to deposit checks at a local branch.  There's no way that the Feds will roll over on this, because the telecorps already try and leverage the strangle-hold that they have on society - they've soured the voting base, POTOS, and the Justice Department.  They are going to get hit hard, and soon.

 

I know it's tacky to quote yourself, but since my last post the FCC Chair got in step with POTUS, DOJ and "smrt" voters - 

http://consumerist.com/2015/02/04/fcc-chair-confirms-title-ii-approach-to-net-neutrality-att-already-warming-up-for-lawsuit/

 

I'd love to see ATT fight back against the Feds, because that worked so great when they had their assess busted up in '82.  It's all a dog and pony show anyways - the GOP knows that stopping Obamacare, Marriage Equality, and Net Neutrality is bad for business in the long-haul, so they talk a good game, do a few block plays, and then let the competition win on purpose - if they were serious they would offer serious counter-proposals instead of just blow-hard speeches and obstruction.  The Netflix paid-prioritization was too high-profile for the Feds to let slide - if the ISPs extorted Netflix, they could extort anyone for anything - including politicians.  They over-played their hand, and now it's getting slapped.

post #61 of 105

This thread needs a new title because Net Neutrality is ALIVE AND KICKING!

 

Something else the FCC did today?  

 

FCC Overturns State Laws that Protect ISPs from Local Competition.  Municipal wifi could be just around the corner - finally! (if your municipality does not have wifi or if it does, could now expand.  

 

Here's a quote from the FCC Chairman, Tom Wheeler:

 

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This proposal has been described by one opponent as, quote, a secret plan to regulate the Internet. Nonsense. This is no more a plan to regulate the Internet than the First Amendment is a plan to regulate free speech. They both stand for the same concepts: openness, expression, and an absence of gate keepers telling people what they can do, where they can go, and what they can think. 
post #62 of 105

This is good news....so, I wonder who will be against this decision?

 

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"Consumers, investment in state-of-the-art networks, and job creation all stand to lose from today’s heavy-handed decision."

WASHINGTON, DC – Republican Members of the Energy and Commerce Committee’s Subcommittee on Communications and Technology today responded to the FCC’s vote in favor of utility-style regulation of the Internet:

 

“Resorting to Great Depression-era rules will trigger a stampede to the courts, unleashing years of lawsuits and uncertainty at a time when U.S. leadership and the Internet economy are more important than ever. We believe the Internet has worked well under current rules, but we were – and we remain – willing to come to the table with legislation to answer the calls for legally sustainable consumer protections for the free and open Internet that has fostered a generation of innovation, economic growth, and global empowerment.

 

“Republicans, Democrats, consumer groups, and investors all agree that we need sustainable protections to preserve the Internet as we know it. A 3-2 party-line vote is not the policy consensus this issue deserves. Consumers, investment in state-of-the-art networks, and job creation all stand to lose from today’s heavy-handed decision. And transparency has all but evaporated during this broken process. Once these rules finally emerge from the shadows, it will become clear that the FCC’s action today does not end the debate.”

 

The above statement is attributable to every Republican member of the Communications and Technology Subcommittee.

 

<then there's a list of all the GOP members that oppose the decision>

 

post #63 of 105

I feel like you could switch out anything relating to 'FCC decision' with 'shit Roosevelt did during the 30s' and you'd have pretty much the same thing.

 

Or replace it with 'anything that helps out the little guy' for the past 80 years.

post #64 of 105

I have an Etsy shop and I follow Etsy on Facebook.  Etsy, naturally, is celebrating this decision and they posted a link to one of the articles. What happens?  Loons.  Loons come crying out, "government regulation is bad!"  And someone posts, "I just opened up my Etsy shop and this decision worries me..."

 

Are you fucking kidding me?

 

Artists - we're celebrating! Because so many of us are small business owners and our main outreach is the net with our portfolios/websites, online shops, and networking.  But yes, there are a few nutcases.  One told me to (on one of my posts on Facebook), "read up on this" better because this is obviously "more" Obama and government over reach.  That more regulations are around the corner and that there's no way this would "pass the judicial system.."

 

I replied, " 'read up on it'?  Oh, okay, I will - I'll read up on it on the now fully open and free from corporate telecoms middling, internet..."

post #65 of 105

Wow, the town of Wilson NC was one of the places that stood up to the state law ... and I thought nothing good came out of Wilson NC

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post #67 of 105

Yeah, at this point we're pretty fucked.

It's up to the courts most likely.
post #68 of 105
I guess I’ll get a small amount of satisfaction when Trump supporters find out Brietbart and InfoWars are no longer included in their base internet package, and they have to pay an additional 15 bucks a month for the Russian Puppet Propaganda Package.
post #69 of 105
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I guess I’ll get a small amount of satisfaction when Trump supporters find out Brietbart and InfoWars are no longer included in their base internet package, and they have to pay an additional 15 bucks a month for the Russian Puppet Propaganda Package.

 

You kidding....in DJT's FCC those along with Fox will be the only channels allowed a broadcast license.

post #70 of 105
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I guess I’ll get a small amount of satisfaction when Trump supporters find out Brietbart and InfoWars are no longer included in their base internet package, and they have to pay an additional 15 bucks a month for the Russian Puppet Propaganda Package.

This is the worst effect (to me) of Trump and his administration + a GOP congress:

They've introduced so many incentives for citizens to become self-serving, non-community minded assholes Just. Like. Them.

Given the odds they're stacking against the low-income and minority/non-rural folks out there, and the complete gutting of the social safety nets + public schooling system they've undertaken, I admit to having the protective parent instinct to just say "fine, fuck you, pay me" and get as independently wealthy as possible so at least MY kid(s) will be able to go to a decent school and me and my wife can retire comfortably.

Which is NOT the solution. What's the point of MY kids being OK financially if the world they inhabit is full of shit racist people, corporate nation-states, a destroyed environment, and about 3 species of animal left?

But if I can feel those self-preservation impulses to just amass wealth and fend for ourselves, I can only imagine the systemic effect on the country's fabric these policies could have over a generation.
post #71 of 105

I think our only hope at this point is that Ajit Pai gets accused of sexual assault.

post #72 of 105

There was a paragraph in this article-  How 2017 Became a Turning Point for Tech Giants that I wanted to share...

 

I thought this was a good metaphor.

 

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“Just as the packaged food industry did in the 1950s, Facebook and Google have lured users with convenience, while feeding them a diet certain to cause lasting harm,” Roger McNamee, the musician and venture capitalist, told me. “The problem cannot be addressed by hiring; it can only be fixed by changing the algorithms in ways that will materially reduce profitability.”
post #73 of 105

Yeap.

post #74 of 105

Sounds like the title of the thread is now true.  Who wants to put down their predictions for how long until the throttling begins at the major ISPs?  New plans unveiled January 2nd is my guess.  You just know they've been working on them a while.  Of course it will be advertised as "You only pay for what you want!"

post #75 of 105

Man, I just saw this on the news. I feel sorry for all of you American chewers but I'd by lying if I wasn't also selfishly worried about ISPs over here. No doubt they'll be keeping their beady eyes on your country to see if they can do the same over here. 

post #76 of 105

If you notice that I disappear from Destiny 2, you know why.

post #77 of 105
So I guess it's back to beating off to R-rated movies?
post #78 of 105

So, Blockbuster is coming back?

This fucking sucks, and you be the rest of the world's douchebag companies are watching

post #79 of 105
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So I guess it's back to beating off to R-rated movies?

 

The market for old Playboy, Penthouse, etc. magazines are about to spike.

post #80 of 105
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So I guess it's back to beating off to R-rated movies?

 

Pick up a couple of External HD's and archive that shit like you're in the Library of Alexandria.

 

But seriously, this is fucking shit. And yeah, I selfishly hope it doesn't become a global trend...

post #81 of 105

Damnit. I just switched my Netflix plan from 3 discs to 1....

post #82 of 105
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Man, I just saw this on the news. I feel sorry for all of you American chewers but I'd by lying if I wasn't also selfishly worried about ISPs over here. No doubt they'll be keeping their beady eyes on your country to see if they can do the same over here. 

 

I had to laugh at this tweet.

 

 

 

Are people really still under the delusion we live in a democracy?

post #83 of 105

Isn't it kind of fitting that the day a corporate monstrosity known for pumping out bland cinematic universes swallows yet another movie studio whole into their THING-like collective, that net neutrality dies?

post #84 of 105
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Damnit. I just switched my Netflix plan from 3 discs to 1....

Me too man, me too.

post #85 of 105
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So I guess it's back to beating off to R-rated movies?

 

Not necessarily.  One can go back to beating off to G-rated movies if that's one's thing.

post #86 of 105

Sears catalog FTW.

post #87 of 105
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Sears catalog FTW.


National Geographic is where it's at, man.

post #88 of 105
Department store mannequins if there is time.

There's never enough time.
post #89 of 105

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Mackenzie AstinVerified account @MackenzieAstin

 

Hey, @AjitPaiFCC, today my mom would have turned 71. But she didn't. Because she died in March of 2016. Can you please take the time to explain to me how she made three separate comments in support of ending #NetNeutrality more than a year after she died? cc: @SeanAstin

 

 

You can look to see if you or someone you know had their ID hacked to comment on the FCC net neutrality debate.

 

https://badcomments.attorneygeneral.gov/

post #90 of 105
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Department store mannequins if there is time.

There's never enough time.

 

Time?  They're not going anywhere, you have nothing but time.

post #91 of 105
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So I guess it's back to beating off to R-rated movies?

In all seriousness, I think porn could save the internet.

It's the one thing that everyone consumes (or at least all ethnicities/geographic regions/political affiliations).

It requires HD streaming video.

It won't be an option on an "internet cable package" that families want to opt-in to.

But I believe it's a pretty big contributor eating ISP bandwidth.

Take those things together, and you have a product that ISPs have an incentive to throttle, but the public at large will notice has been slowed since NN was nixed and get pissy about.

They won't SAY it's the porn that's slower, but I could absolutely see folks complaining about slowdowns in "streaming video" while ISPs say they haven't touched NETFLIX/Amazon/Hulu and don't know what everyone's complaining about.

Porn could save the day!
post #92 of 105

I was thinking this exact thing earlier today.

 

I decline to say what prompted the thought, however.

post #93 of 105
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post


In all seriousness, I think porn could save the internet.

It's the one thing that everyone consumes (or at least all ethnicities/geographic regions/political affiliations).

It requires HD streaming video.

It won't be an option on an "internet cable package" that families want to opt-in to.

But I believe it's a pretty big contributor eating ISP bandwidth.

Take those things together, and you have a product that ISPs have an incentive to throttle, but the public at large will notice has been slowed since NN was nixed and get pissy about.

They won't SAY it's the porn that's slower, but I could absolutely see folks complaining about slowdowns in "streaming video" while ISPs say they haven't touched NETFLIX/Amazon/Hulu and don't know what everyone's complaining about.

Porn could save the day!

Also bittorrent. 

post #94 of 105

to play on the word neutrality, if you were to classify the internets based on the D&D alignment grid ...

 

where would you place the current state of it?

 

and where would you want it to be?

 

 

 

... also shout out to the Futurama depiction of neutrality 

post #95 of 105
Chaotic neutral transitioning itself to lawful evil.

Interesting view on this Analog.
post #96 of 105
I know this will sound privileged af, but there has to be a special place in hell for non-whites like Pai, right? I mean, how to be so self-serving for people who would sooner throw you under the bus when the War comes.

Anyways, just annoyed.

Also, yes. Obama era appointment the lot of them. Expect that to be bullhorned by FOX over the next couple days.
post #97 of 105
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Also, yes. Obama era appointment the lot of them. Expect that to be bullhorned by FOX over the next couple days.

 

Please, let them.  Given what a spiteful dunce the POTUS is, our best shot may be that he keeps hearing from his preferred news source how this is a ball Obummer started rolling, he may just decide to scuttle its implementation out of habit.

post #98 of 105

Ajit Pai continues to mock net neutrality supporters. Apparently we were all proven wrong because we could still access Facebook and Twitter this morning, as if things were going to change overnight. He's deliberately ignoring the substantive criticisms made of this decision and pretending that his opponents are all concerned about memes and cat videos.

 

https://thinkprogress.org/fcc-chair-ajit-pai-supporters-of-net-neutrality-are-proven-wrong-because-you-can-still-tweet-f53d3b7624f8/

 

Condescending prick.

post #99 of 105

This was a good back and forth on the subject from Former FCC chairman and a free market guy.

 

https://www.wnyc.org/story/net-neutrality-repeal-done-deal-open-question

 

Nothing amazingly new for this discussion, but succinct.  The legal argument seems to have some merit to me, but it seems a question of whether or not something more appropriate will be put in place after repeal. With this congress and this administration?  Will they hell.

post #100 of 105

More willful deception and blatant lies from the admin. whose foundation consists of nothing but falsehoods.

 

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Internal FCC Report Shows Republican Net Neutrality Narrative Is False
The story of net neutrality as an Obama-led takeover of the internet was refuted by an Inspector General investigation whose findings were not made public prior to Thursday’s vote.

A core Republican talking point during the net neutrality battle was that, in 2015, President Obama led a government takeover of the internet, and Obama illegally bullied the independent Federal Communications Commission into adopting the rules. In this version of the story, Ajit Pai’s rollback of those rules Thursday is a return to the good old days, before the FCC was forced to adopt rules it never wanted in the first place.

“On express orders from the previous White House, the FCC scrapped the tried-and-true, light touch regulation of the Internet and replaced it with heavy-handed micromanagement,” Pai said Thursday prior to voting to repeal the regulations.

But internal FCC documents obtained by Motherboard using a Freedom of Information Act request show that the independent, nonpartisan FCC Office of Inspector General—acting on orders from Congressional Republicans—investigated the claim that Obama interfered with the FCC’s net neutrality process and found it was nonsense. This Republican narrative of net neutrality as an Obama-led takeover of the internet, then, was wholly refuted by an independent investigation and its findings were not made public prior to Thursday’s vote.
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