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post #101 of 2353
Despite what Merriweather thinks, I myself didn't make any connection to the other thread and I'd rather keep that discussion over there in Video Games. Thanks.
post #102 of 2353

I don't want to turn this into ANOTHER GG thread but you what's the difference between them and the assholes going apeshit over a shirt?

 

No-one doxxed, threatened or harassed Matt Taylor in any way for his shirt.  At most, it was one angry article on The Verge and a few irate tweets which resulted in the ESA going into damage-control mode a tad prematurely IMO.  In fact, the response from most people that I've spoken to about this issue has been relatively cool.  Most think it's a tacky shirt but he didn't do anything wrong.  Others agree that it's fucking stupid and really damaging to feminism in general.  

 

Contrast it with the almost zealous defence that's sprung up around Taylor in the wake of his apology, and it feels much more like an issue being perpetuated as an example of the EEEEVILS of feminism.

 

I feel really sorry for Matt Taylor that what was supposed to be one of the best days of his life got soured by some trivial bullshit.  I feel pissed off that some idiots kicked up a fuss about what is honestly, a non-issue.  People making a fuss over this are what a lot of people view feminism as. And that alone is very damaging for garnering any actual support.  But no-one who criticised that shirt has looked the other way or down-played an invasion of Taylor's personal privacy or attacks on him.

post #103 of 2353

From the other thread:

 

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I don't understand why some of you aren't down with ShirtStorm. It's everything social justice warriors stand for in a nutshell. It's just science journalism growing up, bros. For far too long, science has been a boys club, concerned with advancements and results. But it took the brave civil rights activists on Twitter to show us privileged types the important thing to women in science was actually fashion! What kind of mansplaining misogynists are you to tell them otherwise?

 

Sure, you didn't connect the two *at all*.

post #104 of 2353
Notice how I asked that in the other thread only after other people already brought it up?
post #105 of 2353

So? You still vomited that nonsense out rather than act like an adult. Just like you are here, posting snarky links and trying to score points without realizing what a child it makes you look like.

post #106 of 2353
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Please just stop, man. You've walked into a mature, reasoned debate and started trying to take potshots with a potato gun. It's kind of sad.
post #107 of 2353

Yes. I stand by that advice.

post #108 of 2353
No, you clearly haven't. You've brought some pissy vendetta from another thread in here and are refusing to let it drop so you can "score points" and other "self-centred nonsense". Let it go, bro. I'm done discussing this in here.
post #109 of 2353

You're doing the exact same thing in this thread that you're doing over there, with the exact same pet cause and the exact same sarcastic childishness. You even went on a rant about this very topic in the other thread. It's not a pissy vendetta - it's me calling you out on the crap you're spouting.

post #110 of 2353
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Despite what Merriweather thinks, I myself didn't make any connection to the other thread and I'd rather keep that discussion over there in Video Games. Thanks.

Yes, you've made it abundantly clear that you prefer your life compartmentalized and untroubled by the views of others.
post #111 of 2353
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Yes, you've made it abundantly clear that you prefer your life compartmentalized and untroubled by the views of others.

 

You put it in a much nicer way than I would have. 

post #112 of 2353
Yesterday at work a group of six or seven women in my office were huddled together, looking at pictures from the iCloud celebrity nude leaks on their phones and going on and on about who has the "best tits" and so on. I'm not even trying to prove a point, it's just funny (and unprofessional as fuck*).

Lady creeps, man. They're brazen!







*I suppose I could have reported it to HR just to be a dick to one of the women, a co-worker whom I strongly dislike, but nah...
post #113 of 2353
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

Yesterday at work a group of six or seven women in my office were huddled together, looking at pictures from the iCloud celebrity nude leaks on their phones and going on and on about who has the "best tits" and so on. I'm not even trying to prove a point, it's just funny (and unprofessional as fuck*).

Lady creeps, man. They're brazen!







*I suppose I could have reported it to HR just to be a dick to one of the women, a co-worker whom I strongly dislike, but nah...

 

You realize this is the misogyny thread, right?

post #114 of 2353
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You realize this is the misogyny thread, right?

Well......I guess women are capable of it too.

post #115 of 2353
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You realize this is the misogyny thread, right?

And? Considering the debate of the last few pages the "incident" was amusing to me so I mentioned it here and in a way that clearly wasn't meant to be taken as some kind of serious indictment of anyone or anything.

It is a thing that happened. I thought it was funny and ironic in the context of this conversation (if grossy unprofessional in the context of the workplace). If you wish to accuse me of something extremely elaborate, I don't mind hearing it.


Edit: To elaborate on my own personal workplace policy, I have a strict policy of no personal discussions, no gossip. I don't even date co-workers (bad past experiences). I have actually reported an inappropriate conversation to HR before, but only because it was about another coworker and it was a fairly explicit conversation that I knew she wouldn't appreciate. That's the way I do it, that's how I keep the peace. I practice detachment until I believe someone might get hurt or there's hate speech going on.
post #116 of 2353
Thread Starter 
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Well......I guess women are capable of it too.

 

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And? Considering the debate of the last few pages the "incident" was amusing to me so I mentioned it here and in a way that clearly wasn't meant to be taken as some kind of serious indictment of anyone or anything.

It is a thing that happened. I thought it was funny and ironic in the context of this conversation (if grossy unprofessional in the context of the workplace). If you wish to accuse me of something extremely elaborate, I don't mind hearing it.


Edit: To elaborate on my own personal workplace policy, I have a strict policy of no personal discussions, no gossip. I don't even date co-workers (bad past experiences). I have actually reported an inappropriate conversation to HR before, but only because it was about another coworker and it was a fairly explicit conversation that I knew she wouldn't appreciate. That's the way I do it, that's how I keep the peace. I practice detachment until I believe someone might get hurt or there's hate speech going on.

 

I'm not accusing you of anything, just pointing out the difference between "funny and ironic observations I make about women at my workplace" and what this thread--the only one of its kind on CHUD--is supposed to be about.  Imagine posting what you just did in the racism thread, only instead of women the subjects of your post were people of color, and your post followed a serious discussion about the individual and institutional racism surrounding the murder of Michael Brown?

 

 

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post #117 of 2353
There is not a single serious-minded thread on this MB that doesn't contain a handful of jokes / light-hearted observations per page. Not one (including this one before my post). If you expect people to approach subjects as wide-ranging and complicated as misogyny and gender-based discrimination without a speck of humor, without a single inch of levity, then you are, one, weirdly disconnected from how humans work, and two, bound to be deeply disappointed.

Also, I'd like to stress that, considering the debate it followed, my little aside was hardly a non sequitur.

As I mentioned earlier, I was actually preparing to post something really dark and distressing, but at this point it's going to seem loaded. You're more than welcome to create another conversation.
post #118 of 2353
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I'm not accusing you of anything, just pointing out the difference between "funny and ironic observations I make about women at my workplace" and what this thread--the only one of its kind on CHUD--is supposed to be about.  Imagine posting what you just did in the racism thread, only instead of women the subjects of your post were people of color, and your post followed a serious discussion about the individual and institutional racism surrounding the murder of Michael Brown?

 

 

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Man darrylayo sounds like a fucking party.

post #119 of 2353
I was going to post a further thought on what I believe yt is saying to me with that post, but as a person who has himself bemoaned the lack of women on CHUD, I will, for the sake of civility, decline to respond any further to the content of that post.
post #120 of 2353
It's called "biting the allies".
post #121 of 2353
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It's called "biting the allies".

It is?

post #122 of 2353
I'd say Johnny's on the side of the angels here, so yeah, I would suggest other fish to fry.
post #123 of 2353
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I'd say Johnny's on the side of the angels here, so yeah, I would suggest other fish to fry.

Funny thing is I read that wrong. For some reason I read that as alleys which confused me greatly, sorry.

post #124 of 2353

Rolling Stone apologized for its recent campus rape story:

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/a-note-to-our-readers-20141205

 

I fear the fallout for this.  Rape apologists will pound this into the ground for a long time, and editors might be more hesitant to tell the stories of rape victims.

post #125 of 2353
Oh, Jesus. This is bad. The fate of rape victims doesn't hang on this one story, but even if this is a total fiction, I hope that those who are or become victims don't let shit like this dissuade them from reporting it. I understand shame and pressure and fear and all that, but if it happens, I hope victims find it within themselves to get it out there.
post #126 of 2353
As they say at The Intercept, national pop culture magazines aren't the best forum for justice-seeking victims anyway.
post #127 of 2353
Nah, Brick was simply a smug meathead. PMR is a more refined species of haughty.

Oh, shit. You weren't playing.
post #128 of 2353
I usually don't.
post #129 of 2353
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It's been suggested to me that you and BrickBurgundy are the same person. I was never too certain, but how about I play it safe? Yeah. That works for me.

 

So all I needed to do to get banned after years on this board was 1) hold a couple of unpopular political opinions, 2) rub someone the wrong way with those opinions to the degree that they "suggested" to a mod that I was another poster with a completely dissimilar writing style (apparently because we both once said "Happy Thanksgiving, everyone" rofl) and 3) make the mistake of posting in the same thread as that mod, who was too lazy to verify that our IP addresses were different.

 

Explain further if I've read you wrong.

post #130 of 2353
Oh man, you got banned?
post #131 of 2353
PMR isn't the only one getting banned, is he? Because as much as I disagree with the guy on some issues, he wasn't the one chasing people from thread to thread in order to keep personal arguments going. He was on the receiving end, and the person doing it to him had another feud running with Burgundy, so it's not hard to put two and two together to figure out who quietly accused PMR of being some kind of sockpuppet.
This banning looks like the culmination of a harassment campaign directed at PMR, from where I'm sitting. It's not okay, no matter how much I disagree with him on substance.
Edited by Reasor - 12/6/14 at 5:12am
post #132 of 2353
post #133 of 2353
I didn't take any notice of PMR until receiving complaints about him. I made a decision.
post #134 of 2353
Do you believe that reconsidering a bad decision would do more to undermine your authority than sticking to it?
post #135 of 2353
I reconsider decisions all the time. I have no trouble with a little self-reflection.
post #136 of 2353
Okay. I read "I made a decision" as "I have spoken, the verdict is in, etc."

I won't pester you further about it for now, but I do hope that this isn't the last of this story. I'd like to think it would take more to get me banned than someone merely accusing me of bannable offenses, because I didn't give him the last word in an argument.
post #137 of 2353
That and we really don't need to have PMR on a persecution kick.
post #138 of 2353

  Speaking of pop culture magazines not being the best source for news, Rolling Stone has good hard news stories. It is the best source on issues like the lack of Wall Street reform and climate change. I was surprised to learn that they didn't fact check the UVA story.

post #139 of 2353
Hannah Rosin has a good piece on the matter on Slate.
post #140 of 2353
Matt Taibbi would be a credit to any outlet that he were to write for.
post #141 of 2353

Damn right about Taibbi.

post #142 of 2353
A Conservative journalist has apparently released Jackie's full name, or what he *believes* to be her full name. Pretty awful.
post #143 of 2353
post #144 of 2353
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PMR isn't the only one getting banned, is he? Because as much as I disagree with the guy on some issues, he wasn't the one chasing people from thread to thread in order to keep personal arguments going. He was on the receiving end, and the person doing it to him had another feud running with Burgundy, so it's not hard to put two and two together to figure out who quietly accused PMR of being some kind of sockpuppet.
This banning looks like the culmination of a harassment campaign directed at PMR, from where I'm sitting. It's not okay, no matter how much I disagree with him on substance.

 

I said fuck all about PMR being Burgundy and the thought had never even crossed my mind, which I'm sure Johnny will be happy to verify. Outside of shills in the trolls thread I've never reported anyone for a banning, be it him or Burgundy or whomever else. I also didn't follow him from thread to thread with anything. He brought up that bullshit bowling shirt story in another thread then cried when I brought his sarcastic post about it up here, the place where the bowling shirt story was actually being discussed. We then took it to PMs and pretty much parted cordially.

 

Jesus this place. A fucking "harassment campaign".

post #145 of 2353
I thought they were the same guy, or that PMR might have trouble coming up with his own one-liners. I brought it up. Didn't ask for or expect a banning unless there was actual puppetry happening.

ETA: Tattling, perhaps. Certainly not coordinated persecution.
Edited by Lightning Slim - 12/8/14 at 10:58am
post #146 of 2353

For what it is worth I trust that Johnny's detective skills when it comes to sock puppets are on point.  I have sent a few suspicions his way and some were right on it appears and one in particular apparently didn't pan out but so far the Chewer hasn't gone off the rails in any way beyond slight imitation.  I haven't followed the particulars of the Burgundy/PMR kerfuffle but I will stand by Johnny if his poking around the back-end finds something.

 

Beyond that I have no thoughts on the decision made.

post #147 of 2353
I would have no problem with a banning after an investigation, if that were what had happened. That's hardly how Johnny presented this banning, though; it was more like, "I'm going to kill your account just in case you're up to something." It's ugly, it's out of character for Johnny, its timing makes it look like the worst kind of piling on, and it lends itself to interpretation as a kind of self-parody about liberals who aren't really tolerant at all.

That it's easy to do this to somebody that a lot of people disagree with is part of the reason why I've never asked to be made a moderator here. I wouldn't want the power to ban.
post #148 of 2353
#Banghazi
post #149 of 2353
I don't think there was a conspiracy or wilfull mean spiritedness behind it or anything. But unless there's some meat to the sock puppet thing (which I doubt there is), it was a mistake. Kind of defeats the object of a discussion forum to ban people over opinions.
post #150 of 2353
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However, there is one crucial difference between religion and culture - the former is relatively rigid (though religion has changed over the years, especially in the more "moderate" spheres), while the latter is considered fluid and is subject to change (often drastic, in some cases).

 

Yeah, I think the crucial difference is that religions claim to have a monopoly on ultimate "Truths"(tm) with no evidence to back them up, and that the currently predominant superstitions have core tenets that actively retard the progress of humanity. 

 

Religion tends to progress by starting to ignore the embarrassing portions of their Iron Age doctrines and pretend they don't really mean what they say they mean. 

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