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post #1051 of 2301
I thought my car got stolen.

When it was really just a block away.
post #1052 of 2301
Nooj...
post #1053 of 2301
Which is to say that I'm no better than anyone!
post #1054 of 2301
Actually, you are...if you would just stop recording your friends' embarrassing moments for posterity.
post #1055 of 2301

I would never!

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post #1057 of 2301

We wouldn't want to ruin his life, would we? 

post #1058 of 2301
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We wouldn't want to ruin his life, would we? 

 

Of course not! Because lest we forget...

 

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 it was curiosity leading him.

 

post #1059 of 2301
https://newrepublic.com/article/133893/reluctant-memoirist

I tried to push back. “This is no Eat, Pray, Love,” I argued during a phone call with my editor and agent.

“You only wish,” my agent laughed.

But that was the whole point. I did not wish that my book were Eat, Pray, Love. As the only journalist to live undercover in North Korea, I had risked imprisonment to tell a story of international importance by the only means possible. By casting my book as personal rather than professional—by marketing me as a woman on a journey of self-discovery, rather than a reporter on a groundbreaking assignment—I was effectively being stripped of my expertise on the subject I knew best. It was a subtle shift, but one familiar to professional women from all walks of life. I was being moved from a position of authority—What do you know?—to the realm of emotion: How did you feel?
post #1060 of 2301

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/6/1545599/-Fox-News-host-files-bombshell-sexual-harassment-and-retaliation-lawsuit-against-Fox-CEO-Roger-Ailes

 

I, for one, am stunned to hear that women aren't treated well at Fox News.

 

Quote:
When Carlson met with Ailes to discuss the discriminatory treatment to which she was being subjected, Ailes stated: “I think you and I should have a sexual relationship and then you’d be good and better and then I’d be good and better,” adding that “sometimes problems are easier to solve” that way. Carlson rebuffed Ailes’ sexual demands at that meeting, and nine months later, Ailes ended her career at Fox News. 

 

Considering how Megyn Kelly was somehow "convinced" into a weirdly nice interview with Trump after his horrid behavior, I assume Carlson's suit is the tip of the iceberg, though we may never get to see the rest of the 'berg.

post #1061 of 2301

Ailes has a purportedly gross history with female employees, so nothing would surprise me with him.

 

Carlson ruffled lots of conservative feathers after the Orlando massacre; she talked about how unneeded assault weapons were.

post #1062 of 2301

The oldest national park ranger was beaten and robbed.  It's an infuriating story, but she has a positive outlook:

 

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/Reclaim-My-Space-From-Violation-Oldest-Park-Ranger-Thanks-Community-For-Helping-Her-After-Being-Beaten-Robbed-385547991.html

 

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Grateful for the outpouring of cash and support after she was beaten and robbed last week, 94-year-old National Park Ranger Betty Reid Soskin has thanked her supporters and vowed to remain strong.

 

"I am going to reclaim my space from the violation," Soskin, the nation's oldest full-time ranger, wrote over the weekend on a GoFundMe page. It has raised more than $15,000 since she was attacked in her Richmond, California, apartment on June 27 by a thin, 20-something man who has not been caught.


Soskin said the money will help her "re-establish my home on the planet," which she is grateful for because she doesn't want to move. She said she will paint her home and put in new carpet following the brutal home invasion that captured the nation's attention.

 

Very cool that the coin President Obama presented to her will be replaced.  And the documentary sounds interesting:

 

Quote:
In addition to the $15,000 GoFundMe effort organized by a community member, another fund was set up for Soskin by a nonprofit organization where she works, the Rosie the Riveter/WWII Home Front National Historical Park. As of Friday, the fund had raised about $20,000, according to Park Supt. Tom Leatherman. Any extra money from that fundraiser will also go to help pay for a documentary being made that includes slices of Soskin's life, when she worked as a clerk for the all-black Boilermakers A-36 during World War II. Doug McConnell of NBC Bay Area's Open Road is creating the film.
post #1063 of 2301

More on Carlson's lawsuit:

 

post #1064 of 2301

I, for one, am stunned to hear that Steve Doocy is a creep.

 

Stunned I say.

post #1065 of 2301
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/6/1545599/-Fox-News-host-files-bombshell-sexual-harassment-and-retaliation-lawsuit-against-Fox-CEO-Roger-Ailes

 

I, for one, am stunned to hear that women aren't treated well at Fox News.

 

 

Considering how Megyn Kelly was somehow "convinced" into a weirdly nice interview with Trump after his horrid behavior, I assume Carlson's suit is the tip of the iceberg, though we may never get to see the rest of the 'berg.


Over 10 other women have already contacted Carlson's law firm with similar stories about Ailes and FOX News, so maybe we will get to see more of the 'berg after all.  Even though we will all require plenty of brain bleach if we do.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/06/media/gretchen-carlson-roger-ailes-lawsuit/index.html

post #1066 of 2301

Here's a supercut of Carlson getting creeped on by creeping creeps:

 

post #1067 of 2301
Oof.
post #1068 of 2301

The Daily Beast talked to other women who claimed Ailes sexually harassed them:

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/06/could-fox-news-chairman-roger-ailes-become-the-next-bill-cosby.html

 

Quote:

Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation by Ailes and Fox News, several women who formerly worked at the network told The Daily Beast of similar encounters with the defendant.

 

“One time he asked me if I was wearing underwear, and was he going to see anything ‘good,’” said a former Fox News employee, who said she has spoken with other women at the network who said they were targets of Ailes’s sexually charged remarks. “It’s happened to me and lots of other women… He’s a disgusting pig who’s been getting away with this shit for 20 years.”

 

A second ex-employee, who also said Ailes verbally harassed her with inappropriate comments during one-on-one meetings, said the powerful and famously combative executive has so far escaped the consequences of his alleged behavior, because “when it comes to this issue, there’s already a conspiracy of silence. The problem is you don’t want to come forward because you don’t want to be personally and professionally destroyed. You don’t want to bring down Roger Ailes’s wrath on your head.”

 

She added that Ailes is hardly unique in an industry dominated by male executives who sometimes take sexual advantage of their power and position. “Television is really a difficult, arbitrary, and competitive business, and you don’t want to give TV executives a reason to say no,” she said.

 

A third former Fox News employee told The Daily Beast: “When I met Ailes he wouldn’t stop staring at my legs, and at one point he asked if I was single. I was taken aback and said yes. And he was like, ‘Oh, OK, so you’re not gonna get pregnant any time soon.’ And then he asked my age.

 

“And I think he could tell I was offended by the questions. And he said, ‘I know I’m not supposed to ask this—HR keeps telling me I can’t ask that because you can sue me because it’s illegal, but I don’t care. I’m [over 70] years old, if you wanna sue me, sue me.’”

post #1069 of 2301

A few other women tell their stories of Roger Ailes:

 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/six-more-women-allege-ailes-sexual-harassment.html

 

Here's one:

 

post #1070 of 2301

21st Century Fox hired a corporate law firm to conduct the Ailes investigation. 

 

Is this the end for him?

post #1071 of 2301

A rich white dude getting accused of sexual harassment in the U.S.

 

Yeah, he's going to pay some money and that's about it.

post #1072 of 2301
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A rich white dude getting accused of sexual harassment in the U.S.

 

Yeah, he's going to pay some money and that's about it.

I can't remember where I read it, but I did read an article stating that Murdoch's children have been trying to get Ailes out for awhile and gain control of Fox News for themselves. Sounds like they are going to use these allegations to stage a coup and get rid of him. He won't face any real penalties, but it seems like there is a good chance he will lose his job so that is...something?

post #1073 of 2301

Conservative writer Bethany Mandel on conservatism's misogyny problem:

 

https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark

 

It hasn't been Storyfied yet.

post #1074 of 2301
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

Conservative writer Bethany Mandel on conservatism's misogyny problem:

 

https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark

 

It hasn't been Storyfied yet.

 

 

Side rant: This is why Twitter is not an appropriate medium for actual discussion. She has wonderful points, but she needs more than 140 characters. Twitter is a terrible medium for detailed, thought driven expression.  It is difficult to follow, and the responses inlaid or between the feed do not help.  I am, by barest definition, a millenial, but I will be damned if I will convert to Twitter as a means of expression.

 

On topic: She is absolutely correct.  Hypocrisy among the social conservative group is and always has been high. Their support of Trump just makes it so much worse, as he is everything they are ardently against.

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post #1076 of 2301

jesus... 'honor' killings

post #1077 of 2301

I've read too many horror stories like this and the completely unbothered, cavalier attitude that often accompanies these crimes should give us pause. This woman wasn't murdered by happenstance. Her brother wasn't a deranged psycho who heard voices. She was murdered because she lived in a fundamentally broken culture and she knew it.

post #1078 of 2301

Yeah, it's the part where the guy clearly believes he did his duty as a righteous person that is frightening.

post #1079 of 2301

I was going to post this last night, but didn't know what the point was. You could literally just post any newspaper from the middle east at this point, and I'm sure there's an honor killing, a stoning, or something so against basic human rights and decency that its desensitizing. You could also post just about anything from the republican controlled states in America and see the latest anti rape protection law, or anti choice legislation to see our own version of religious domination of women and their bodies. Hard to help the middle east when we have our own zealots running the country.

post #1080 of 2301

Not that I have any interest in going to bat for our fundamentalists, but I think that's a pretty faulty comparison. Our fundamentalists are attempting to roll back the clock and are losing hand over fist (w/out much in the way of overtly violent reactions) . The thing that killed Qandeel ‎Baloch in Pakistan is practically the status quo.

post #1081 of 2301

Look, I know this is misogynistic and everyone is allowed to have their own foolhardy opinion, but man, conservative, Republican women just dumbfound me. It seems, and this is my POV, of some Stockholm syndrome bullshit; like, the group is actively against your very existence. Why are you supporting them?

post #1082 of 2301
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Not that I have any interest in going to bat for our fundamentalists, but I think that's a pretty faulty comparison. Our fundamentalists are attempting to roll back the clock and are losing hand over fist (w/out much in the way of overtly violent reactions) . The thing that killed Qandeel ‎Baloch in Pakistan is practically the status quo.

 

Kinda. But we're also barely winning. We are always one bad election result away from the republicans turning the Supreme Court into a biblical justice dispensary.

 

And while honor killings are the status quo, one of our two major parties still thinks that kids with gay parents will turn out to be drug addicts and need conversion therapy. Still think that trans people are subhuman. Still think that abstinence only education is a good birth control tool. And on it goes.

 

I would say that the suicide rate from the LGBT community speaks volumes about how our status quo makes them feel. It's nowhere near as bad literally being killed by your family members, but that's not saying much.

post #1083 of 2301
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Look, I know this is misogynistic and everyone is allowed to have their own foolhardy opinion, but man, conservative, Republican women just dumbfound me. It seems, and this is my POV, of some Stockholm syndrome bullshit; like, the group is actively against your very existence. Why are you supporting them?


The GOP is totally in favor of women that know their place and unquestioningly obey their husbands as the Bible instructs.  And many of the women were simply brought up to buy into that lifestyle. 

post #1084 of 2301
for the sake of momentum
post #1085 of 2301
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Kinda. But we're also barely winning. We are always one bad election result away from the republicans turning the Supreme Court into a biblical justice dispensary.

 

And while honor killings are the status quo, one of our two major parties still thinks that kids with gay parents will turn out to be drug addicts and need conversion therapy. Still think that trans people are subhuman. Still think that abstinence only education is a good birth control tool. And on it goes.

 

I would say that the suicide rate from the LGBT community speaks volumes about how our status quo makes them feel. It's nowhere near as bad literally being killed by your family members, but that's not saying much.

 

 

Thoughts aren't actions. If forced to it, I'd rather someone think I'm subhuman than treat me like it by throwing me off a goddamn roof or beheading me. There are LGBT people in the Middle East who would prefer to bunk with all the Pat Robertsons and all the Louie Gohmerts than to face the sheer terror of waking up every day, not knowing when a rumor, a sliver of innuendo, a sideways glance...gets them fucking executed on the spot.

 

You can be an angry woman in America, you can be a concerned LGBT person in America, but the one thing you really don't have to be, is scared.

 

I've been out to my nightspots since The Pulse shooting. No one is going to scare me and dictate where I can and cannot go. I think Qandeel ‎Baloch deserved to experience that kind of freedom away from fear, but nope, they didn't want her to have it.

post #1086 of 2301
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Originally Posted by JustAncient View Post
 

 

Kinda. But we're also barely winning. We are always one bad election result away from the republicans turning the Supreme Court into a biblical justice dispensary.

 

And while honor killings are the status quo, one of our two major parties still thinks that kids with gay parents will turn out to be drug addicts and need conversion therapy. Still think that trans people are subhuman. Still think that abstinence only education is a good birth control tool. And on it goes.

 

I would say that the suicide rate from the LGBT community speaks volumes about how our status quo makes them feel. It's nowhere near as bad literally being killed by your family members, but that's not saying much.

 

Just my opinion, but I think pinning the problem on Republican conservatism is a bit of a cop-out.  Those guys are bad news, absolutely, but the problem is more complex than that.  Canada has a terrible problem with LGBT suicides, and both of our political parties are far more liberal than either of America's.  Politics are an issue, but bullying, harassment, discrimination, these are problems which are not specific to any group.  Even within the LGBT community itself, it's often a problem.

 

But conservatism can be a problem...last year our government released a progressive update to the Health and Phys. Ed. curriculum.  It didn't (despite what the conservative media reported) advocate for homosexuality or gay parenting.  However, it introduced the idea that these are facts of life in the world today's youth will grow up in.  These are the kinds of concrete changes which need to be made to support the LGBT community.

 

There was, sadly, a big pushback from parts of the Muslim community.  There was a huge drop in attendance in public schools in some neighbourhoods.  Families were yanking their kids out of school and, amazingly, lining up to enroll them at their local Catholic schools because the Catholic system offers their own curriculum and has been slower to move forward on these issues.  The media, unfortunately, spent little time covering the issue (I wonder why?), but it was a pretty remarkable case of active, widespread prejudice.  All you can hope for is that the next generation will be more open-minded, I guess.   

post #1087 of 2301

Kinda off-topic, but not entirely so:

 

during one of my screenwriting classes last week (I'm taking screenwriting classes to dust the cobwebs off), two pairs of women got into what was almost an ugly argument because two of them said that they "were not really for feminism".

 

It was a truly fascinating debate to watch because all the men (rightly, IMO) just shut the hell up and it gave me a real insight on how fragmented the very idea of feminism has become. These are all smart, successful (this is not a cheap course) and educated women. Even amongst themselves, there were different approaches to what feminism means.

 

The two women who were "against" feminism were hardly conservative people: both are actresses and one of them has been working in the art industry for around 15 years. Yet, to them, feminism is not a movement for equality.

 

Just putting this over here because of the "Republican Women" debate going on. It nearly got to a point in which the teacher had to intervene. Interestingly enough, the two women who were "for" feminism were younger than the other two, and not from Rio (a major capital city in our country); not that they were from small towns, just not one of the two big urban poles of Brazil.

 

They all strike me as progressive, thoughtful individuals nonetheless.

 

Am I digressing??

post #1088 of 2301

Every single person should be a feminist. It shouldn't even be an issue. We shouldn't be radical feminists, but as long as feminism simply stands for equality, then anyone who says they aren't feminists is usually trying to say they aren't radical feminists, but doesn't know the difference. 

 

Republican women are a different breed. I would say religion plays a big part in making them docile and subservient. I have a few in my family, and though they're not extreme cases, they display the same herd mentality and "Listen to your father" rhetoric. God is father. Husband is father. It's easier to be led.

post #1089 of 2301

Well this thread has just been a mood destroying nest of nightmares.

post #1090 of 2301
Ever heard the Voltaire quote "if you wish to converse with me, define your terms"? I wish more people lived by that quote.

No one is 100% against 'feminism' (almost no one anyway) and no one is 100% for it, because that term encompasses a bunch of philosophies several of which are in direct opposition to each other.

If you're going to have a conversation about to what extent identifying as 'feminist' should be a default social expectation, you need to pin down exactly what that does and doesn't mean.
post #1091 of 2301
The golden rule: treat others as you'd like to be treated. I don't think youn have to be a feminist to follow that one.


And yet the amount of people who can't even do that is fucking staggering.
post #1092 of 2301

From the Baltimore Police investigation:

 

 

"Why are you messing that guy's life up?"

post #1093 of 2301

http://www.thefrisky.com/2016-08-12/the-perfect-victim-mentality-has-shut-down-coverage-of-lindsay-lohans-assault/

 

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After the video emerged, Lohan reportedly called off the engagement and even sat down with The Daily Mail to open up about the toxic cycle of abuse in their relationship and how that reflects a larger, pervasive problem of domestic violence. Given Lohan’s celebrity status and the widespread relevance of this issue, why aren’t we hearing more about it?

Sadly, in the rare cases where domestic violence is publicly exposed and people actually respond with the proper level of gravity and understanding, there’s an unspoken “perfect victim” mentality that requires the victim to fulfill an impossible standard of “goodness” before the public grants them empathy. While there’s been mild coverage (at best) of the public assault and engagement falling out, the fact that Lohan has a known history of drug abuse and run-ins with the law may affect how protective the public is of her safety.

post #1094 of 2301

Glenn Beck's company:

 

 

Well, that's certainly an opinion.

post #1095 of 2301

I think the *level* of celebrity has more to do with it than her history. I'm not justifying it, but Lohan has been over for almost a decade now. There's no angle like there is with Depp and Heard, so no one feels especially compelled.
post #1096 of 2301

The Lohan context does water down the reaction somewhat, compared to what it might be if it were some other couple.

At the same time though, I don't think it's really become a cause celebre, so to speak, because the video is pretty uncertain.  It looks like she throws his phone out of the car, tries to get it before he does and he kind of prises it out of her hand.  It's quite rough, but it's quick and she doesn't seem like a 'victim' no matter who she is.

I realise that's part of the point and DV/IPV controlling behaviours take many forms and are sometimes invisible to outsiders even.  All the same, this video as a spark for a viral campaign doesn't really have the delicious clarity The Mirror claims it has (no surprise there).   It isn't just that Lohan could be ignored as a victim, but this particular incident doesn't necessarily paint her as one, in a nice clear outrageous way.

 

I can easily imagine the reverse situation;  where tumblr arcs up in Lindsay Lohan's defense, citing this video and her treatment at the hands of the gossip press and then Brietbart, The Amazing Sexis..uh..Atheist, Gamergate, Thunderfoot, Sargon et al all get a million hours out of picking this video apart and telling us it's it's whole bunch of nothing and just goes to show how insane feminists are and western civilisation is surely doomed.

post #1097 of 2301

My girlfriend elaborately made me homeless.

 

This reddit post for legal advice is fun if you read between the lines a bit,  where you can see a concerned woman engineering her own fool proof relationship ejector seat.

(depending on how the comments appear, in the earliest ones you can see he was a bit light on the detail initially.  The important ones appear down the bottom for me.)

post #1098 of 2301
I do love the "we had a small DV incident where I hit her". Like it's no big deal.
post #1099 of 2301

BRO, CAN SHE DO THIS?

SHE CAN DO THIS LEGALLY???

 

"no bro, you're not homeless.  get your shit sorted"

post #1100 of 2301
Dude sounds like a complete twat. But if he grew up in a shitty household and neighbourhood where police intervention in domestic matters was normalized, I understand why he's left scratching his (stupid) head.

I like the part where literally dozens of people have given him the same correct advice and he just keeps repeating the same questions hoping the 8-ball exonerates him this time.
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