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post #1301 of 1629

For whatever reason, Bertolucci's comments from 2013 didn't get any traction in the newscycle (which is just something that happens for various reasons).  At least not enough to get to a point where enough people would react and spread the way it has this time.  

 

I certainly don't recall hearing/reading anything about it back then (in addition to the fact that I wasn't even aware of the stories that had already been floating around).  I'm also confused as to why his comments didn't spread that year, since it's not as if we weren't talking about the systemic misogyny of the movie industry in 2013.  

 

But 2016 definitely feels like a year where people seem more prepared to respond to it more aggressively.  Trump and stuff.

post #1302 of 1629

Yeah this stuff suddenly popping back up is interesting. In this case everyone is dead except the director but he is pretty much done with the business so there is no real way to penalize him within the business.

 

I do wonder how much apologizing Louie CK will have to do when the right person at just the right time catches one of his old Opie and Anthony appearances on Youtube. Not to mention the whole jerk off thing.....I bet it happens at the same time. 

post #1303 of 1629

I've never liked Bertolucci's movies, which seem to be the work of a dirty old man. His treatment of Schneider was repulsive but didn't surprise me when I first heard about it some years back.

 

Chris Evans should take a long break from tweeting. "They should be in jail." Really? Is he aware that Brando died over a decade ago?

post #1304 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Malmordo View Post
 

I've never liked Bertolucci's movies, which seem to be the work of a dirty old man. His treatment of Schneider was repulsive but didn't surprise me when I first heard about it in 2013.

 

Chris Evans should take a long break from tweeting. "They should be in jail." Really? Is he aware that Brando died over a decade ago?

No I actually agree with that. You know how great it would be to lock up a corpse?

post #1305 of 1629
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Edited by Agentsands77 - 5/5/17 at 4:53am
post #1306 of 1629
no free will

only...

SYSSSTEMMMMZZZZZZ!!!!
post #1307 of 1629

Chris Christie vetoed a bill banning solitary confinement for pregnant women and children:

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/12/06/chris_christie_vetoes_solitary_confinement_bill.html

 

Enjoy that 19% approval rating, Christie.

post #1308 of 1629

A Washington Post​ music critic has a great thread of tweets to read through.  His wife works for the paper as well, and he talks about how both had stories on the front page yesterday.  They both received negative feedback, but his contains no personal attacks.  He can't remember ever being called anything nasty before.  His wife?  She deals with personal attacks daily:

 

https://twitter.com/Chris__Richards/status/806611671871606784

post #1309 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

A Washington Post​ music critic has a great thread of tweets to read through.  His wife works for the paper as well, and he talks about how both had stories on the front page yesterday.  They both received negative feedback, but his contains no personal attacks.  He can't remember ever being called anything nasty before.  His wife?  She deals with personal attacks daily:

 

https://twitter.com/Chris__Richards/status/806611671871606784

He has never gotten personally attacked for an article ever? If he wants to say she gets attacked more or more viciously I will buy it but anyone who does anything that publicly is going to get attacked and usually some death threats.

post #1310 of 1629
He's not complaining about generally being criticized/attacked. He knows that comes with the territory. He's furious about the chasm he sees between the attacks at him and the MUCH more ugly and gendered ones directed at his wife.
post #1311 of 1629
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

He's not complaining about generally being criticized/attacked. He knows that comes with the territory. He's furious about the chasm he sees between the attacks at him and the MUCH more ugly and gendered ones directed at his wife.

Well he said he was never called a name during his entire career.  I suspect he has and he is exaggerating to drive home the point about how women are treated online. I just think when you aren't honest people tend to dismiss you. He would have been better off saying something along the lines of "look I thought I had it bad but my wife REALLY has it bad". 

post #1312 of 1629
oh I see.

perhaps writing for the Post shielded him... UNTIL NOW
post #1313 of 1629

Madonna's speech at the Billboard Music Awards for Woman Of The Year:

 

http://popgoesthearts.blogspot.com/2016/12/madonna-delivers-brutal-truth-during.html

 

Quote:
 "I stand before you as a doormat. Oh, I mean, as a female entertainer," Madonna said. "Thank you for acknowledging my ability to continue my career for 34 years in the face of blatant sexism and misogyny and constant bullying and relentless abuse."

Recalling her life as a teenager when she first moved to New York: 

"People were dying of AIDS everywhere. It wasn’t safe to be gay, it wasn’t cool to be associated with the gay community," Madonna recalled. "It was 1979 and New York was a very scary place. In the first year I was held at gunpoint, raped on a rooftop with a knife digging into my throat and I had my apartment broken into and robbed so many times I stopped locking the door. In the years that followed, I lost almost every friend I had to AIDS or drugs or gunshots."


 
"In life there is no real safety except for self-belief."
"I was of course inspired by Debbie Harry and Chrissie Hynde and Aretha Franklin, but my real muse was David Bowie. He embodied male and female spirit and that suited me just fine. He made me think there were no rules. But I was wrong. There are no rules -- if you're a boy. There are rules if you're a girl,"  
"If you're a girl, you have to play the game. You're allowed to be pretty and cute and sexy. But don’t act too smart. Don’t have an opinion that's out of line with the status quo. You are allowed to be objectified by men and dress like a slut, but don’t own your sluttiness. And do not, I repeat do not, share your own sexual fantasies with the world. Be what men want you to be, but more importantly, be what women feel comfortable with you being around other men. And finally, do not age. Because to age is a sin. You will be criticized and vilified and definitely not played on the radio."
Madonna also opened up about the time in her life when she felt "like the most hated person on the planet," she said, as she became emotional.. 
"Eventually I was left alone because I married Sean Penn, and not only would he would bust a cap in your ass, but I was off the market. For a while I was not considered a threat. Years later, divorced and single -- sorry Sean -- I made my Erotica album and my Sex book was released. I remember being the headline of every newspaper and magazine. Everything I read about myself was damning. I was called a whore and a witch. One headline compared me to Satan. I said, 'Wait a minute, isn't Prince running around with fishnets and high heels and lipstick with his butt hanging out?' Yes, he was. But he was a man.
"This was the first time I truly understood women do not have the same freedom as men," 
"I remember wishing I had a female peer I could look to for support. Camille Paglia, the famous feminist writer, said I set women back by objectifying myself sexually. So I thought, 'oh, if you're a feminist, you don't have sexuality, you deny it.' So I said 'fuck it. I'm a different kind of feminist. I'm a bad feminist.'"
"I think the most controversial thing I have ever done is to stick around. Michael is gone. Tupac is gone. Prince is gone. Whitney is gone. Amy Winehouse is gone. David Bowie is gone. But I'm still standing. I'm one of the lucky ones and every day I count my blessings."
"What I would like to say to all women here today is this: Women have been so oppressed for so long they believe what men have to say about them. They believe they have to back a man to get the job done. And there are some very good men worth backing, but not because they're men -- because they're worthy. As women, we have to start appreciating our own worth and each other's worth. Seek out strong women to befriend, to align yourself with, to learn from, to collaborate with, to be inspired by, to support, and enlightened by," she urged. 
"It's not so much about receiving this award as it is having this opportunity to stand before you and say thank you,"
"Not only to the people who have loved and supported me along the way, you have no idea...you have no idea how much your support means," she said, tearing up for the second time. "But to the doubters and naysayers and everyone who gave me hell and said I could not, that I would not or I must not -- your resistance made me stronger, made me push harder, made me the fighter that I am today. It made me the woman that I am today. So thank you."
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post #1315 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

Well. This is going to be a thing: 

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/12/15/20-year-toll-368-gymnasts-allege-sexual-exploitation/95198724/

Yeah, it just might be.

post #1316 of 1629

I keep waiting for the big story like this on the ballet world. 

post #1317 of 1629

one at a time...

 

humanity isn't good at multitasking, no matter how much it insists it is

post #1318 of 1629

I'm not really sure how to respond to this:

 

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/lena-dunham-i-havent-had-an-abortion-but-i-wish-i-had.html

 

Quote:
Now I can say that I still haven’t had an abortion, but I wish I had.

 

I know a few people who've had abortions.  None of them wished for the situations.  

post #1319 of 1629
There's still time, Lena.
post #1320 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

There's still time, Lena.

 

Jesus fucking christ.

post #1321 of 1629
I guess I'm also not sure how to respond to this.
post #1322 of 1629

You're not helping, Lena. 

post #1323 of 1629

So.......can we finally admit something might be wrong with Lena Dunham?

post #1324 of 1629

She related to that puppet guy?

post #1325 of 1629
Lena, here's how you walk this back: "It's just locker room talk. That's all it is."
post #1326 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt View Post
 

So.......can we finally admit something might be wrong with Lena Dunham?

 

We...we didn't cross that bridge when she acknowledged that she sexually molested her sister as a child? 

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post #1328 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

An op-ed on Dunham's latest comments:

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/20/lena-dunham-wishes-she-had-an-abortion.html

Ohh the writer is Erin Gloria Ryan, she is on the Race Wars podcast........it's a comedy show, the name isn't what it seems.

post #1329 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

I'm not really sure how to respond to this:

 

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/lena-dunham-i-havent-had-an-abortion-but-i-wish-i-had.html

 

 

I know a few people who've had abortions.  None of them wished for the situations.  

 

Doesn't sound like much really.  Just a perhaps clumsily worded way of saying she wished her sympathy had experience to back it up (whether it needs it or not is another thing entirely).

There's been a mini-movement of sorts where women have been documenting their abortion experience as a way of perhaps demystifying it, showing that's it's not some sorrowful event of moral trauma necessarily.  Which it shouldn't be really.  But on some level even much of the pro-side wants it/needs it to be for their own sensibilities on the subject.  Then there's also the sense that if the right wingers see that sort of thing it only confirms their worst beliefs and makes them more determined to destroy it.  That's the stigma I think she's talking about.

post #1330 of 1629

It's weird that words don't seem to mean anything anymore. "I wish I had an abortion". O but what she really meant... Well whatever the fuck she really meant is irrelevant when you say something that stupid. Say what you really mean then?

post #1331 of 1629

Words never meant anything without their context anyway.  Maybe there was that one year in the 50s.  I don't know.  You still have to parse everything everyone says through some filter and that will change according to where the words come from in the first place.  Like how you're using a question mark when you're not asking a question, but probably to denote a whiny, upturned pitch of voice that signifies exasperation.

 

She's saying it was a bit of an off colour joke now anyway (Hey, comedy: there's a place that words don't mean what they mean too).  So we're all wrong.  Which is fine with me.

 

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/lena-dunham-apologizes-for-wishing-she-had-an-abortion.html

post #1332 of 1629
I actually feel comfortable having very little to say about how Dunham presents her views on this subject and can divorce that from the fact that I don't really care for her because ultimately, the right to choose is not something I've had to or will ever have to deal with. All I can say is that I fully support a woman's right to choose and the rest of how that conversation goes should remain amongst them.
post #1333 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Muzman View Post
 

Words never meant anything without their context anyway.  Maybe there was that one year in the 50s.  I don't know.  You still have to parse everything everyone says through some filter and that will change according to where the words come from in the first place.  Like how you're using a question mark when you're not asking a question, but probably to denote a whiny, upturned pitch of voice that signifies exasperation.

 

She's saying it was a bit of an off colour joke now anyway (Hey, comedy: there's a place that words don't mean what they mean too).  So we're all wrong.  Which is fine with me.

 

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/lena-dunham-apologizes-for-wishing-she-had-an-abortion.html

That URL is one of those things you just don't think is real.

post #1334 of 1629
Every star needs a brand. Why not "Handles big issues clumsily?"
post #1335 of 1629
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

I actually feel comfortable having very little to say about how Dunham presents her views on this subject and can divorce that from the fact that I don't really care for her because ultimately, the right to choose is not something I've had to or will ever have to deal with. All I can say is that I fully support a woman's right to choose and the rest of how that conversation goes should remain amongst them.

 

Seconded strongly. 

post #1336 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Muzman View Post

Words never meant anything without their context anyway.  Maybe there was that one year in the 50s.  I don't know.  You still have to parse everything everyone says through some filter and that will change according to where the words come from in the first place.  Like how you're using a question mark when you're not asking a question, but probably to denote a whiny, upturned pitch of voice that signifies exasperation.

She's saying it was a bit of an off colour joke now anyway (Hey, comedy: there's a place that words don't mean what they mean too).  So we're all wrong.  Which is fine with me.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/lena-dunham-apologizes-for-wishing-she-had-an-abortion.html

Was it 1354? I really like that year.
post #1337 of 1629

It's official: Texas has kicked Planned Parenthood out of the its Medicaid program:

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/20/texas-kicks-planned-parenthood-out-medicaid/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1482278503

 

All of this began because of those edited videos.  No Planned Parenthood facilities in Texas even donate fetal tissue.


Edited by Iron Maiden - 12/21/16 at 11:20am
post #1338 of 1629

The first female pilot in the Afghan Air Force no longer wants to fly for her country, and she has filed for asylum in the United States, so she can join the U.S. Air Force:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/opinion/a-female-afghan-pilot-soars-and-gives-up.html

 

Quote:

After photos of Captain Rahmani wearing tan combat boots, a khaki flight suit, a black head scarf and aviator glasses were published in the press when she earned her wings in 2013, she and her relatives in Kabul began receiving death threats. At work in Afghanistan, she said, she felt unsafe because most of her male colleagues held her in contempt. Still, she put on a brave face during the early months of her training in the United States, which began in September 2015.

 

“I would just want to encourage all of the females around the world, especially in my country where the females have no rights, to just believe in themselves and to have more self-confidence,” Captain Rahmani told an American military journalist in March 2015 during a visit to a Marine Corps air station.

 

But that resolve has eroded in recent months. The Afghan Air Force stopped paying her salary shortly after the American training program began, Captain Rahmani said. When female workers at an airport in southern Afghanistan were slain this month, she was horrified to hear some members of Parliament quoted as saying the women would have been safe if they had stayed at home.

 

But, a successful pilot who has been honored by the United States and praised by both Democrats and Republicans, is scared her asylum request might not work out.  And there's a pretty obvious reason for that:

 

Quote:
This new phase of her life in the United States starts with trepidation. “It makes me really nervous,” she said of having her asylum petition pending when President-elect Donald Trump has vowed to bar Muslims from entering the United States. Still, Captain Rahmani said she sees the United States as a place where women can aspire to accomplish great things.

Edited by Iron Maiden - 12/24/16 at 9:17am
post #1339 of 1629

IMO, there is a good deal of truth in this article. I've read posts on other forums that confirm there are some major league assholes that now feel a good deal of empowerment by the election of Trump.  There would seem to be a lot of 40-50 yr old men in various stages of psychological arrested development. 

This whole MRA shit was just the tip of the iceberg.

 

See: a 70 yr old orange man-child for proof.

 

 

Homo Obnoxious: Is Toxic Masculinity Really Taking Over the Country?

Maybe the real problem is a lack of positive paths to manhood.

post #1340 of 1629

The GOP has control of the Kentucky government for the first time in forever, and it's going to town right away by filing a new abortion ban:

 

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/kentucky-gop-files-new-abortion-ban-the-only-choice-women-have-is-to-conceive-or-not-conceive/

 

Quote:
Republican Senate President Robert Stivers told reporters on Tuesday that women relinquished their reproductive "choice" by getting pregnant in the first place.
Stivers said that a woman had a "choice early on to make a decision to conceive or not conceive."
"But once conception starts, there becomes another life involved.  And the legislature has its ability to control how that life may proceed or how it would be terminated," he said.
post #1341 of 1629

So, remind me, how does that bring back teh jerbs again? 

post #1342 of 1629

I'm hoping this police captain just has a tendency to babble and this just blurted out wrong:

 

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170106/greenpoint/rapes-nypd-arrest

 

post #1343 of 1629

Oh my. This makes me want to take a shower.

post #1344 of 1629
Sounds like the real fiction in Law and Order SVU is the inflation of the SVU's competence.
post #1345 of 1629

Teen Vogue​ writer Lauren Duca has been at the center of Trump Troll City after her gaslighting piece and appearance on Tucker Carlson's Fox show.  Her most popular Trump troll is noted asshole Martin Shkreli, and his trolling got him suspended from Twitter:

 

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/8/14205552/martin-shkreli-suspension-twitter-harassment-lauren-duca

 

At one point, he trolled Duca by asking her if she wanted to be his +1 at the inauguration.  She posted a pic of the message and responded publicly.  That led to Shkreli doctoring a photo of Duca and her husband by replacing the husband's face with his own for a new profile image.  He also changed his banner to a collage of Duca photos and lyrics from a mid-90s love song.

 

https://twitter.com/laurenduca/status/817040025078681600/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

 

 

post #1346 of 1629

I can't think of any "celebrity" more deserving of an ass beating than Martin Shkreli.  Five minutes with him inside the UFC octagon, that's all I ask.

post #1347 of 1629

Despite Natalie Portman's top billing in No Strings Attached​, Ashton Kutcher was paid three times more than her:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/natalie-portman-says-ashton-kutcher-020700456.html

post #1348 of 1629
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

Despite Natalie Portman's top billing in No Strings Attached​, Ashton Kutcher was paid three times more than her:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/natalie-portman-says-ashton-kutcher-020700456.html

There. That's the best example I have seen of this. The other examples I have heard always kind of fit more or less with who puts asses in seats but anytime some earns less than Kutcher im angry and im not kidding.

post #1349 of 1629
At that point, what was Kutcher even pulling in terms of audiences? Did he have any hit movies around then?

I recall NO STRINGS ATTACHED coming out around the same time that Portman won the Oscar for Black Swan.
post #1350 of 1629

Kutcher earning anything baffles me no end, but would the Two and a Half Men run been on the cards by then? Was it simply his tabloid chic at the time making him a draw? I'm really reaching here, I can't imagine what formula puts Kutcher three times ahead of Portman by any metric.

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