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https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/29/16709796/magic-the-gathering-cosplayer-harassment-youtube

 

Not sure if this should go in the assorted sleaze or the social media thread, but here you go. 

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What a pathetic waste of semen.

 

"These allegations against me are TOTALLY slanderous! Yes, I posted a video harrassing and bullying the person involved but it's NOT MY FAULT AND THAT WAS SIX MONTHS AGO!" 

 

The Magic community is really the fucking worst. I know that from experience. 

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What a pathetic waste of semen.

 

"These allegations against me are TOTALLY slanderous! Yes, I posted a video harrassing and bullying the person involved but it's NOT MY FAULT AND THAT WAS SIX MONTHS AGO!" 

 

The Magic community is really the fucking worst. I know that from experience. 


I'm on the outside looking in, but from speaking with friends who are involved with said game/community, this is absolute truth.

 

But even beyond that it extends well into the tabletop gaming community as a whole (not surprising given there's broad overlap between MtG and "everything else").  My fiancee stopped participating in organized play events for various games/at various conventions after multiple instances of experiencing or witnessing tons of harassment.  From as "benign" as simply being treated with condescension to outright groping (especially as she too was a frequent cosplayer at the time).

 

It was never a healthy environment to begin with, when you pack it with so many socially awkward folks (some of whom have genuine disorders), but in recent years a lot of the community has been drawn to the MRA and especially "InCel" mentalities. 

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I watched part of that video where he talks about the reason why he feels most trans magic players are mtf. Boy it's like a checklist of MRA douchebaggry: 1. Say that you're totes not a racist/sexist/homophobic. 2. Impart how you're only spreading the facts--not hate. 3. Spew whatever toxic bullshit that comes to your mind. 3. Refuse to accept any and all responsibility for the things you've said, because free speech, yo.
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I’m afraid to ask and haven’t watched, but, what possible bearing could someone’s transness have on playing a game using paper cards on a table?
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I’m afraid to ask and haven’t watched, but, what possible bearing could someone’s transness have on playing a game using paper cards on a table?

 

I'm not going to watch, and don't really care, but I imagine this comes back to the "Women's Only League" issues that has dominated trans-related headlines for, I don't know, the entire time that this has been an issue.  If that isn't it, he's just a raving loon.

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Without reading the details, I assumed it was guys who ogle the women at card game conventions and who are suffering from gay panic now that they know a few of the women might have been trans.
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Former baseball player Bret Boone is being weird again:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ex-mlb-star-mocks-sexual-assault-victims-odd-rant-201458557.html

 

 

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Nooo not Boone! He was beast in Ken Griffey for N64. Fucking batter circle was like 80% of the strike zone.

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How Blake Farenthold ruined a career in politics:

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/blake-farenthold-sexual-harass-greene-278869

 

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North Carolina native Lauren Greene aspired to a career in politics when she arrived on Capitol Hill as an intern in 2009. She spent the next five years climbing the Capitol Hill ladder, ultimately becoming a communications director for a congressman in 2014.

 

But Greene’s budding career imploded, she said, the minute she accused Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) of sexually harassing her. 

 

Since the summer of 2014, when she says Farenthold fired her for raising concerns about a hostile work environment, Greene has been unable to land a full-time job. She’s making $15 an hour working temporary gigs for a homebuilder. She babysits on the side to earn extra cash.

 

Her family has had to support her financially. And Greene, now 30, has left D.C., with no illusions that she will ever work in politics again.

 

“It’s definitely turned my life upside down,” Greene said in her first interview since she made the accusations against Farenthold. “It’s been a tough road. Emotionally, it was tough. Professionally, it’s been hard to figure out next steps. And it’s definitely had an impact on my career.” 

 

She later added: “I was told right away that I would be, quote-unquote, ‘blackballed’ if I came forward. … That’s exactly what happened.”

 

Greene, in a December 2014 lawsuit, accused Farenthold of gender discrimination, sexual harassment and creating a hostile work environment. She said he told another aide in the office that he had “sexual fantasies” and “wet dreams” about her — and that she could wear shirts that showed her nipples anytime she wanted.

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Farenthold, a 55-year-old married lawmaker, denied the accusations. The two settled the case, with Greene receiving $84,000 from a congressional fund dedicated to resolving workplace disputes — though Greene and her lawyer, Les Alderman of Alderman Devorsetz & Hora PLLC, never confirmed those details.

 

While the settlement included a confidentiality agreement barring Greene from talking about her accusations, she spoke with Politico for 35 minutes on Monday about how coming forward has affected her life and career. 

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I thought it was going to be an onion-esque article.

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Bitches should look up “Sonderkommandos”
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I'll probably mess the translation up somehow but in Greece there's a saying. If you roll around in chicken feed you get eaten by chickens.

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I like that. We've got a saying like that in the States. If you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
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I don't think being feminist means you have to spout ultra-liberal positions. There are numerous stances that feminists can take that include both liberal and conservative policies.

But there's a certain lack of self-awareness from these alt-right women that they honestly thought they could escape the ire of their male counterparts simply because "they're on the right side." Racism and sexism is an irrational response by insecure white men desperate to maintain any semblance of power in an increasingly feminized (and ethnic) world.

So yeah, not surprise that noxious tools you shack up with turn out to be shit towards you. Did they not see The Handmaiden's Tale?
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Even ultra-liberal feminists can form into hardline exclusionary camps like SWERFS and TERFS (that’s Sex Worker and Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminism.)
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I don't think being feminist means you have to spout ultra-liberal positions. There are numerous stances that feminists can take that include both liberal and conservative policies.

But there's a certain lack of self-awareness from these alt-right women that they honestly thought they could escape the ire of their male counterparts simply because "they're on the right side." Racism and sexism is an irrational response by insecure white men desperate to maintain any semblance of power in an increasingly feminized (and ethnic) world.

Ehh I know we are talking alt right so I get why you would phrase it that way. However distilling it down to white men as I see so often on twitter isn't going to solve the problem and I imagine doesn't help women who aren't white. Hashtag whitefeminism!

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Fair call. I do think the press is desperately milking the Tarana angle a little bit too much, but it's fine she's getting her fifteen minutes of fame. I'm not entirely sure how one goes about claiming credit for a social movement, but I think if you string two random word together and everyone ignores them for ten years until someone from Charmed and Commando uses the same two words - and it explodes - you can't really claim that you built the movement.

 

I notice Trump was a close second, which doesn't surprise me at all. The guy would probably have been proud to have done it as well, not really understanding how the Person of the Year thing works. It would have been appropriate that the only other person to have won back to back with him was Nixon.

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I mean, she's been an activist for women for decades in addition to "stringing random words together." 

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That's not what she's being acclaimed for though is it? smile.gif She's being acclaimed for a random MySpace post that got no traction. I could throw a stick right now and hit two dozen women who've been activists for decades.

I won't, that would be problematic. Just saying I could.
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I find YOU...problematic. ;)

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And looking at that cover, how annoyed would you be if your Right Shoulder and Elbow were Person of the Year?

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TIME: PRETENTIOUS COVER OF THE YEAR

 

Find out about the rise of the latest Girl Band. 

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hahaha yes of course carno

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That isn't the Spice Girls? I just assumed Mel B gave up!
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TIME: PRETENTIOUS COVER OF THE YEAR

Find out about the rise of the latest Girl Band. 

Classy
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It’s nothing against the girls in the photo, it’s just this image that’s such a put on from TIME. It’s bad, disingenuous, and shows no honesty toward the situation. It’s like they’re advertising a TV show.
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I actually agree with you. But if TIME can turn up the volume, sleaze on I say.
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That reminds me.  I need to update my linkedin profile to indicate that I was Time's 2006 Person of the Year.  

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when is a time cover NOT some kind of put on?
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Maybe I’ve never really noticed a TIME cover before.
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Never admit casualness. Otherwise you get told to stay in your lane.

So stay in your lane, Carno.
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Goes to look up a Samuel L Jackson confused gif.
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*Searches in vain for a gif of someone famous yelling “Disingenuous!”
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*Searches in vain for a gif of someone famous yelling “Disingenuous!”

 

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Also acceptable.

 

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Only Lightning Slims deal in absolutes.
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It’s nothing against the girls in the photo, it’s just this image that’s such a put on from TIME. It’s bad, disingenuous, and shows no honesty toward the situation. It’s like they’re advertising a TV show.


​putting the cover aside, I read the actual piece and found it a good expansive look at the sheer scale of the voices that are speaking out

 

It's not just about the famous people.  It's about women of color who work in hospitality, education, and medicine.  

 

Each photo of the individuals speaking out also has the person telling their story.

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Why do a deep dive, Nooj?

It’s a pretty photo of pretty people. They’re in league with THE MAN, maaaaan.
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you raise a good point carno!

 

I will drink to forget what I just read

 

wubwubwubwub

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My beef was with the superficial cover photo, that’s it. But you guys keep digging!
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thanks for the heads up, carno!

 

I WILL keep digging!

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I can always count on you.
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apologies if this is a repost but I only now just read it.....

It does a good job in documenting the possible future of this issue, IMO

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After Al Franken and Roy Moore, We Are Dangerously Close to Botching the #MeToo Moment

Just as society begins to open its eyes, two prominent cases threaten to severely complicate matters.

Erin Gloria Ryan    11.16.17 5:35 PM ET


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False accusations are rare because coming forward about sexual misconduct generally sucks for women, especially when they’re accusing powerful men. Journalists have learned their lesson from the disaster of the UVA Rolling Stone story and how that episode set the campus rape discussion back, arguably to a worse place than it was before. Yes, it’s possible that a sociopath with malicious intent could try and burn a foe or settle a score without merit. Certainly, the barrier to entry is low—a tweet or an anonymously sourced online google document would suffice. And, yes, they could leverage bloggers or ideologues to get their stories out without having them fact checked, leaving their subject’s PR team to unexplode the bomb.

I’d tell them, that sort of thing could happen, but it probably won’t, because lies fall apart once you look at them closely enough. And we would never be stupid or careless enough, en masse, to refuse to look at things like this closely.

 

But privately, I’ve been worried that we’re cruising toward the #MeToo moment’s trip wire, the point where a public’s over-credulity means that opportunists could exploit the movement and bring it all crashing down, worse off than before. And then stories of sexual misconduct will again be relegated to cocktail hours and DM’s—feminist ghost stories women share with each other with the knowledge that the demons that torment us still lurk in corner offices.

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A piece of short fiction published in the New Yorker.  (also can be listened to via recording by the author)

 

It's not specifically about misogyny, but it's really about that and a lot of things in dating.

 

Followed up with an interview with the author of the piece.

 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/cat-person/

 

https://www.newyorker.com/books/this-week-in-fiction/fiction-this-week-kristen-roupenian-2017-12-11

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I'm also seeing some stuff calling the author out for "fat shaming" in that piece. So that means we must play our favorite game...

 

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Is the fat-shaming part in reference to her internal thoughts about the guy's bit of belly?

 

That didn't feel shamey to me.

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