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CAT OF THE NINE TALES  

Coming soon to the Showtime of my dreams

 

And *this* is why this show is nowhere near being "candy for Hammer fans".

post #902 of 965

Yes, let's use a recent example that doesn't encapsulate the show's run to make that claim. Good job, Johnny!

post #903 of 965

I dunno, I bet Kronos would dig Catriona's style

 

 

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Yes, let's use a recent example that doesn't encapsulate the show's run to make that claim. Good job, Johnny!

 

Even in its first season, Penny Dreadful never looked like a Hammer film. Gothic, sure, but not Hammer, which was its own thing.

post #905 of 965

She does seem very Kate Beckinsale for the setting, which probably wouldn't be so bad if we got her backstory/further development, but with her basically just showing up in the last few chapters of the book, she does kind of stick out. It doesn't help that just about every line she has in the finale is a one-liner ("Who are you?" "I'm the woman who just saved your life!"), further jarring her from the more naturalistic rhythm everyone else is at. 

post #906 of 965
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Even in its first season, Penny Dreadful never looked like a Hammer film. Gothic, sure, but not Hammer, which was its own thing.

True it never had the lurid Eastman Color look of Hammer, but I did find it shared some of the arch, overheated sensibility. The overall effect was very modern; personally I didn't see it as much of a throwback.

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She does seem very Kate Beckinsale for the setting, which probably wouldn't be so bad if we got her backstory/further development, but with her basically just showing up in the last few chapters of the book, she does kind of stick out. It doesn't help that just about every line she has in the finale is a one-liner ("Who are you?" "I'm the woman who just saved your life!"), further jarring her from the more naturalistic rhythm everyone else is at. 

The way she just parachuted in, replacing, sort of, a less-glamorous chatacter seemed like some variation on a Cousin Oliver ploy. Even my wife who only watched the show when she passed trough the room said, "Who the hell is that-- she doesn't seem to match." Also time spent on her and Dr. Seward was time we didn't get withth the regulars, precious time if they knew the end was near. That's why I don't buy that the show went out on its own terms; maybe they were planning just for Vanessa's exit, but the last couple episode were a really odd way to go out otherwise.
post #907 of 965
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Even my wife who only watched the show when she passed trough the room said, "Who the hell is that-- she doesn't seem to match." 

 

Her character is a little too perfect when compared to the original cast. I like Cat but can i use the dreaded words "Mary Sue"?

post #908 of 965
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Her character is a little too perfect when compared to the original cast. I like Cat but can i use the dreaded words "Mary Sue"?

More like Last Minute Rewrite because Showtime is cancelling our fucking show.

post #909 of 965

More than a week later and I find myself going back again and again to that final scene on youtube. Love the forlorn beauty of it. What a haunting note to leave us on, the Creature mourning Vanessa all alone, reciting Wordsworth as Korzeniowski's music swells, I think even detractors would have to admit to feeling something then. Haven't really thought about that poem since we covered the romantics in english lit class more than two decades ago, but personally, as a man who is entering middle age in a world that is rapidly losing its lustre, that thing resonates like an absolute motherfucker. I understand why Logan chose to use only those parts of the poem, it would be amazing to hear Kinnear read the whole thing though.

 

On top of everything else, this was such a great retelling of Frankenstein. Maybe the most human "Creature" ever. Kinnear, Treadaway, Piper, all three were absolutely brilliant.

post #910 of 965
Where the hell did Dracula go?

Beautiful, well acted, directed final season. But rushed and structural messy. Slightly disappointed Frankenstein didn't consider using Mr Clare to fight the Vampires. Would have been useful. I suppose he wouldn't be able to find him.
post #911 of 965
Dracula abruptly leaving like that was quite strange, like he couldn't even be bothered to react to the death of his great love Vanessa. One of the areas where the finale did feel a bit rushed.
post #912 of 965
Dracula's "peace out" was one area where the finale lost me. It was such a whimper of an ending after all of the great work they did with the character.
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Eva Green celebrates her 36th Birthday today!

 

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Anyone reading the comic series? It's two issues in and I'm enjoying it.
post #915 of 965
Thanks to the 'Netflix thread' I'd started this the other night. An incredibly sumptuous and gorgeous show . . . one of the best, actually.

Shame about Proteus.
post #916 of 965

I like how the Creature refusing to take his son to Frankenstein for resurrection bookends perfectly with his introduction and mercy termination of Proteus. Lily embraces her pain, but he cannot. Nobody should have to experience this.

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I have not read the thread, but I will. Season One is on Netflix, so I thought I would see what all the fuss is about while I painted some miniatures. I am nearing the end of episode three, and my minis remain unpainted. I am digging this show so hard.
post #918 of 965

BRILLIANT show. How did I never watch this until now?

 

Funny thing... I've been skimming this thread forever, but never actually watched any of PD until last weekend, at which point I binge-watched half the series. I've never done that, not even with GoT. I'm now done with Seasons 1 and 2 and trying to figure out how I'm going to get at Season 3. I feel sad for the many people that never got to PD that would love it the way I do.

 

The discussion in this thread has been great and I regret missing being able to participate as the show unfolded.

 

* Not enough can be said about Eva Green. What a magnificent performance.

* Hartnett, just... what? Where did he come from? I truly want to know how he came to be so consistently great on this show, despite a career that gave no indication that he had this in him. Was it the director? 

* Everyone else was top notch. I feel there are no weak links. Many people struggled with Reeve Carney as Dorian Gray but he worked gangbusters for me. If I was going to nitpick, I would say that there was a complete lack of world-weariness that you might expect out of this character. But you also argue that maybe he just loved to fuck so much that every new partner was as fresh as the first. I thought a theatrical actor-y Frankenstein's Monster was a little weird, but I went with it. The Cut Wife, Evelyn Poole, Angelique, and the Inspector were all flat out awesome.

* The production was incredible, and must have been quite expensive.

 

 

There were a few writing things that kind of stuck out for me.

 

* I thought it was unfortunate that, in story with literal demons, demon possession, and fallen angels, there wasn't any sort of corresponding positive superpowerful beings. Not that I care about God, but from a storytelling perspective you have super overpowered evil beings in every other scene and only a handful of poor humans with slightly exceptional abilities just getting their asses handed to them constantly. Vanessa desperately praying had literally no value ever.

* I had to laugh at how, no matter what kind of fight these characters had been going through, everything went out the window at the chance of getting laid. Vanessa seemed to fuck everybody, up to and including the actual devil! And only because he looked like her best friend's dad! In the scene where the devil tempts her with a family life with Ethan I could only think that if instead he had tempted her with some D again, she'd have been all over it in an instant.

* I hate that all move vampires hiss. Why do movie vampires hiss, always? God thats dumb. PD vampires didn't hiss; the witches did. WHY. So dumb.

* Dorian Gray's actor was fine. The writing? Well... for fifteen episodes, Gray was literally the nicest guy in the world. He did nothing bad. He cheerfully and apparently expertly fucked everyone, accepted them on their own terms, threw parties, respectfully left Vanessa alone when she turned him down. Hell, even when Brona coughed a lungful of infective consumptive blood in his face, he just smiled and went about his business. I'm not complaining that he's nothing like the book character; I really felt like he stood out like a sore thumb with everyone else such expertly crafted shades of... gray.

 

I'm so happy I still have one more season still to watch.

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* I thought it was unfortunate that, in story with literal demons, demon possession, and fallen angels, there wasn't any sort of corresponding positive superpowerful beings. Not that I care about God, but from a storytelling perspective you have super overpowered evil beings in every other scene and only a handful of poor humans with slightly exceptional abilities just getting their asses handed to them constantly. Vanessa desperately praying had literally no value ever.

 

I think Praying does work in this show. Remember how Ethan saved Vanessa in that Season 1 Exorcism?

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Oh yes, that... the character who spent days and days watching this woman be tormented by a satanic possession, before he suddenly remembers "Hey, for some reason that is never explained, I happen to have the ability to say a few words in Latin that will immediately put this to an end unlike the actual priest that we brought here". 

 

I forgot that one in my list above :)

post #921 of 965
Ethan prayed with love and fervor, the priest with obligation and fear. That worked for me.
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I have not read the thread, but I will. Season One is on Netflix, so I thought I would see what all the fuss is about while I painted some miniatures. 

Ehh if that's what you want to call it.

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Hurrah, season three just showed up on Netflix.
post #924 of 965

I just binge watched S3 over the last week.  I purposefully let it sit there until October so I could watch it during Horror Month.  Good, quality television as usual, but I can't say that the finale wasn't a little flat.

 

I did really like Catriona Hartdegen, and had the series gone further, perhaps they would've revealed and delved into her being the daughter of Alexander Hartdegen form The Time Machine.  A touch of ol' timey Jules Verne sci fi being dropped into a series of about ol' timey gothic horror? Sure, why not?

 

What also bugs me is how separate Frankenstein's, Dorian Grey's, and the Creature's storylines are to the main plot and that they don't ever converge, or at least have little to nothing to do with them.  I figured the flashback episode to Vanessa's time in the padded cell would lead to the Creature playing a major part in the battle with Dracula, but nope.  And the only reason Victor is even a part of the final battle is because he just so happens to exit the lab right as the  main plot exits the cell perpendicular to it.

 

"Oh hey what's up guys?"

 

"The city has turned into Vampire hell and we need to go rescue Vanessa from Dracula.  You down?

 

"Sure!"

 

"You sure you aren't busy with whatever you've been doing behind that door (your season long subplot)?  No, nevermind. That (your season long subplot) doesn't matter. Come along now Victor!"

 

"Okay!"


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post #925 of 965
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 I figured  the flashback episode to Vanessa's time in the padded cell would lead to the Creature playing a major part in the battle with Dracula, but nope.  And the only reason Victor is even a part of the final battle is because he just so happens to exit the lab right as the  main plot exits the cell perpendicular to it.

 

"Oh hey what's up guys?"

 

"The city has turned into Vampire hell and we need to go rescue Vanessa from Dracula.  You down?

 

"Sure!"

 

"You sure you aren't busy with whatever you've been doing behind that door (your season long subplot)?  No, nevermind. That (your season long subplot) doesn't matter. Come along now Victor!"

 

"Okay!"

Yeah that whole thing did bother me.

post #926 of 965
Finished season three.

*sigh*
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You didn't like it?

post #928 of 965
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You didn't like it?

Oh, I loved it. It just left me sad..

Vanessa's death, the end of the series, no more of these great characters, all the loose ends, and what could have been.

Just.... *sigh*
post #929 of 965

The Comic Trade Paperback is coming out this Dec though.

 

It's a prequel story.

post #930 of 965

I just got the third season on BluRay so I'm catching up and haven't read much of this thread. Just wanted to check that we all celebrated the fact that motherfucking CLEM FANDANGO is in this!

post #931 of 965
The first issue of the comic prequel not only sold out, but the demand was high enough for the publisher to reprint it. The ending of the last issue also promises we'll get more PD comics in the future.
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Once I work out how to use this Comixology thing on my new tablet (as I'm a complete luddite), I might pick up a digital version.

 

I miss this show. :(

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Once I work out how to use this Comixology thing on my new tablet (as I'm a complete luddite), I might pick up a digital version.

I miss this show. frown.gif

I haven't a fucking clue how to buy PD comics from comixology, so I just physically dragged my lazy ass to a comic store.
post #934 of 965
Binged season 3 over the weekend thanks to Netflix. Loved it. Kinnear's story and performance put a lump in my throat.

Then I got pissed off that it's all over. No more of this wonderful show. :-(
post #935 of 965

We'll get post Season 3 Adventures in an ongoing Comic Series.

http://www.newsarama.com/31805-showtime-s-penny-dreadful-returns.html

post #936 of 965
Yeah, issue 5 of the prequel comic ended with "PENNY DREADFUL WILL RETURN".

Hopefully they do well enough to spin out a couple of books too.
post #937 of 965

Just started this show on Netflix. Curious to see how it plays out. I am sure this point was made two years ago, but I find it awesome that Vepser Lynd gets to hang out with another James Bond.

post #938 of 965

Well, randomly just mainlined season one of this streaming this weekend, then just finished reading the first six or seven pages of this thread (don't want to spoil season two and beyond).

 

Some minor quibbles aside, this was damned good! Looking forward to starting the next season! Eva Green is fucking amazing. Everyone else is quite good, and Hartnett may be the MVP, if only because I've generally thought he's lacking in most everything else I've seen him in. 

 

Very much looking forward to the next two seasons.

post #939 of 965
I keep seeing the occasional article about talks for a season 4. I think the vibe, some returning actors, and a commitment to continue to hire similar levels of talent could make it work. I'm thinking Logan returning is pretty key though.
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I wouldn't be interested in another season without Logan. It would be tough enough without Green, as it is.

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I keep seeing the occasional article about talks for a season 4. I think the vibe, some returning actors, and a commitment to continue to hire similar levels of talent could make it work. I'm thinking Logan returning is pretty key though.

Of course. Watching the series finale you can tell it sure as hell wasn't mean't to be a series finale.

post #942 of 965
I thought Logan chose to end it. Without him or Green I can't see it being as good.
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I thought Logan chose to end it. Without him or Green I can't see it being as good.

I have feeling it ws more "Well if Eva Green is leaving....." and then Showtime cancelled it. The show didn't do great ratings and it was was expensive.

post #944 of 965
Starting season two tonight. Was just thinking about the concept of immortality in season one, and how it was explored through several completely different means: vampirism, zombies (Frankenstein's creations) and Dorian and his painting, which I can't wait to see. All of these, with the exception of Dorian's painting, seem to collect a heavy toll.
post #945 of 965

I am happy with where it ended. I'd rather not see another season.

post #946 of 965

The ending was perfect... had it been as a season finale rather than a series finale.  As a series finale, it pisses me off because there are so many threads still in play that were unresolved that were clearly there for a fourth season.

 

I haven't watched it but I think can relate to Deadwood fans now.

post #947 of 965
They definitely left more to tell. Hopefully the comic series keeps the writers from the show like the prequel mini series did.
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The ending was perfect... had it been as a season finale rather than a series finale.  As a series finale, it pisses me off because there are so many threads still in play that were unresolved that were clearly there for a fourth season.

 

I haven't watched it but I think can relate to Deadwood fans now.

Well yeah. I mean there was a whole new character introduced in the last couple episodes. 

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Well yeah. I mean there was a whole new character introduced in the last couple episodes. 

 

I still don't buy the whole "knowing we were getting cancelled" thing. I think they had at least another season or two of story to tell.

post #950 of 965
I don't buy it the least bit. Couldn't be more obvious. Don't know why they didn't just say the ratings didn't work out so, sorry but that's business.
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