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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj0l7iGKh8g

 

So as much as I like the look and some of the ideas and the action and stuff, I could never truly get into Arrow.  But THIS I can get on board with.  I love the idea of speedsters recently for some reason.  Growing up I always thought Flash was lame and not worth worrying about, but with two Quicksilvers and this show coming all relatively soon, Speedsters special FX and powers are visceral and cool looking and used with imagination and flair.  Not everything in this trailer is any good, the Arrow has a particularly lame and cheesy line, but I love the tone and the FX.  I tend to be more forgiving to TV special effects, but I think this really looks pretty neat.

 

Thoughts.

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Proof again why superheroes belong on the big screen, not on TV. 

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You see, this I want to get into.  I think the FX look perfectly fine, it looks like a lower budget origin story.  If you made this as a movie the FX would only be marginally better than what's in this trailer. 

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I couldn't make it through the pilot of Arrow or Smallville, but this looks pretty good.

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Flash is my third favorite comic book hero. (Batman and Spider-Man rank higher.) So I'll be all over this when it airs.

 

Brief observation: If Chris Nolan's Batman films were a visual inspiration for Arrow, The Flash feels like it is taking bits from Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. And I mean that as a compliment.

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Yes!  Exactly agree, and maybe that's why I like it so much.  Especially the scene where he's discovering his hand is hyper active, and everyone in the cafe is super slow.  It feels a lot like Tobey freaking out as he discovers his abilities. 

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Tom Cavanagh always needs more work.

 

Zoom killing his mom retcon sucks balls.

 

Costume has got to be better.  The foam rubber suit from the 90's was so much better.

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I enjoyed this trailer alot. This looks like a fun series.

 

And are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is that John Wesley Shipp as Barry's dad in the family photo? So awesome if it is!

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Give the man a cigar! That is indeed JWS in the trailer.

 

Between this and his voice over as Professor Zoom on Brave and the Bold, the man is forever tied to the Scarlet Speedster.

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I have a feeling JWS is going to be a recurring cast member.  There is a slight resemblance, which is balls out amazing.  

post #11 of 1273

Looks surprisingly good for TV. And it looks like it might be kind of fun despite the wanna be seriousness moments. The Flash should be fun damnit and we need a fun superhero again.

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Heard decent buzz on this from the network panels last week.
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Looks surprisingly good for TV. And it looks like it might be kind of fun despite the wanna be seriousness moments. The Flash should be fun damnit and we need a fun superhero again.

Game of Thrones is on TV.
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Game of Thrones is on TV.

 

Game of Thrones is amazing. I meant more that this particular Flash looked good compared to the track record for most other super hero television shows (Smallville, Birds of Prey, etc) although that is not really a high bar to pass. Is there really a consensus on the best live action super hero TV show?   

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There should be...

post #16 of 1273
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You know what's sad? You're totally right. Maybe the Tick show? I never actually watched it.
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Well, this was goshdarn delightful.  Really gets that bright, optimistic tone that virtually no other superhero show on right now has.  It's corny, colorful, and just fun.  Arrow's developed into a decent show, but this pilot absolutely kicks that one's rear.

 

Also, if the CW really goes forward with the villain they tease at STAR Labs with the cages, I will be the happiest boy.

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I really enjoyed it as well. This and ARROW make a good pairing in reestablishing the DC TV universe after Smallville was fumbled so badly. 

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Well, this was goshdarn delightful.  Really gets that bright, optimistic tone that virtually no other superhero show on right now has.  It's corny, colorful, and just fun.  Arrow's developed into a decent show, but this pilot absolutely kicks that one's rear.

 

Also, if the CW really goes forward with the villain they tease at STAR Labs with the cages, I will be the happiest boy.

It really is.  It's the best live action TV show I can think of, period.  The main guy has this bright eyed optimism that is fun and infectious, he's an absolutely fantastic find.  A really enjoyable pilot. 

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Really glad to hear such positive word of mouth.  I don't have to watch the Not-Batman Show... I mean Arrow to get anything hear right?

 

And do they really tease Gorilla motherfucking Grodd as a villain?  That alone would earn this a season pass for me.

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Plus, I can't believe it but the crossover scene might have had my favorite moment.  Barry looking at Arrow swinging away and going "Cool."  And then Arrow stopping to watch Barry run away and going "Cool."

 

Such a perfect way to sum up on a primal level the appeal of these stories. 

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Really glad to hear such positive word of mouth.  I don't have to watch the Not-Batman Show... I mean Arrow to get anything hear right?

 

And do they really tease Gorilla motherfucking Grodd as a villain?  That alone would earn this a season pass for me.

Yes, they do.  Fuck all the "no tights no flights" BS you usually get on this kind of show, Flash is jumping in headfirst.

post #23 of 1273
Liked it plenty! Weather Wizard! Sinister Tom Cavenaugh! Fun!

Spotted Captain Cold in the ad, but must have missed Grodd.

I don't watch arrow, so a guy in an I'll fitting hoodie and eye liner popping in didn't do much for me. He's not a very good actor.
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Round-up

 

THE GOOD

 

--FX are surprisingly well done.  I will be shocked if they keep that level of quality.

--Nice brisk origin story.  I did not want to wait several episodes for Flash to emerge.

--The lead is a likeable peter parker clone. 

--Real stakes: people died. 

--Funnyish.  Ish.

--Metahuman premise is a cool one.  Though it messes with Arrow in a big way.

--Nice cross-over from The Arrow.

--Really enjoyed the realistic portrayal of what happens to Beta orbiters when an Alpha shows up, and why it's fucking stupid to allow yourself to be friendzoned for year after year.

--John Wesley Shipp!  Hope I age as well as him. 

 

 

THE BAD

 

--The casting of the love interest.  Zero chemistry.  With anyone.  The sidekick with the murdered fiance despite being depressed had more spark.

--Any type of time/travel or future-seeing powers.  Has this not been demonstrated enough already?  That. shit. never. works.  NEVER.  NEVER NEVER NEVER.  It's either an annoying vague seance type nonsense, or it's too powerful.  Either way, it's not an interesting counter-point to the Flash's also insanely powerful abilities.

--Killing off tornado dude.  Why?  Also, not sure why they made him a run of the mill moron criminal. 

--Unrealistic use of speed.  You can't have him running into things and not get seriously hurt. 

--This is going to make the entire non-meta-human canon of Arrow completely pointless.  The Flash is so overpowered it's crazy.  They need to put some limits on him.  Maybe after a few minutes he needs candy, or some shit. 

--So ... your dad is wrongfully imprisoned.  You become a near-god.  There better be some explanation/discussion/storylines in which the Flash contemplates just breaking him out.

 

 

THE UGLY

 

--That suit.  Ditch it/revamp it immediately.

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Welp.  I dug it a lot.  The writing was really clunky at certain parts and I think it could have used a longer runtime to let things breathe a bit more, felt like it ran (heh) through a lot of scenes just to get the bullet points across.  But overall, I really like the actor playing Barry as well as his support crew who could soooo easily have come across as really annoying. I think the costume looks fine and there is alot to keep me hooked.

 

I'm just happy that a lot of the more crazy aspects of DC are coming through.  Weather Wizard, Captain Cold and Professor Zoom all on the table.  And I better see Grodd  dammit!

 

It's basically the polar opposite of the dour, humourless and overtly soapy Arrow and Gotham which is why I liked it so much.  Didn't think it'd take this long to get a superhero show that's not afraid to act like a damn superhero show.  Complete with superpowered bank robberies!

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That was a good start. And I hope the actress playing Iris improves. Because her part was easily the worst of the episode.

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Making a great Pilot is really hard and they should always be judged on a curve that allows for the time it  will take for everyone making the show to find what works and what doesn't over the course of several episode. Given all that I'll say The Flash pilot episode was better than a few of the movies Marvel has put out (I'm looking at you Thor/Thor 2 & IM2 in particular)!

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That was a good start. And I hope the actress playing Iris improves. Because her part was easily the worst of the episode.


She was SHOCKINGLY bad.  Just an immediate scene-killer.  Her delivery of the friendzone mini-monologue was cringeworthy. 

post #30 of 1273

That was fun!

 

Solid with some really strong moments.

 

"MY LAPTOP!!!  MY DISSERTATION!!!!"

 

hahahahaha

post #31 of 1273
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I liked how Barry hit in the face, begs the guy to give it back... The guy waits a beat.... Then hits him in the stomach and runs away. On paper that's like a South Park gag. Really shocked about the humor. You expect a CW show in 2014 to have agents of shield humor, basically lame one liners that float by. But from the opening "sometimes I didn't run fast enough..." The gags tended to land, when it would be so easy to flub them.

Good for this show getting such high ratings. I hope it continues to impress, and more and more shows get spun out, and the CW creates it's own MCU quality universe on the boob tube.
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Also love that Barry's Dad is played by the same guy who was the Flash in the 1990s series.

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I watched the 90's series and had the hots for the British chic.

Watched the pilot of this and like what I'm seeing. I thought the tornado effects were pretty darn good.
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Yeaaah. Not nearly enough good to outweigh the bad. Atrocious dialogue delivered atrociously. The actor playing Allen is a cute vanilla guy and that's all good, but everyone is either boring or a straight-up trainwreck. This is the first time in a long time that I watched something and more or less ignored it when SFX weren't on the screen.

Is there something fun in knowing these characters, Professor Zoom, The Weather Wizard, Grodd, and all that? Yeah, sure, but sitting through performances that sound like the table read of a high school play to get to that stuff is not an attractive proposition. Pass.
post #35 of 1273
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There's always a show where everyone loves it except that one person who can't stand it.   I'm the guy for Gotham.  I think Johnny is the guy for this show.  Can't with em all!

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The one thing this show has over bullshit like Smallville and Gotham and Agents of Shield is that it's about what it's about. This isn't a prequel, it isn't about a collection of satellite characters, or any of that. It's about the guy in the costume.

Unfortunately it's on a network that doesn't appear to know what to do with him or anyone else when he's not in the costume. At the very least it's off to a less than impressive start.
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Didn't know what to do with him or anyone else when he's not in the costume?  I don't really understand this point.  Not disagree, but literally don't understand where that's coming from.  The pilot moved fine, Barry is established as likeable, good at his job as a (televisionized) crime scene investigator.  His supporting characters are established as what they are.  Tech support folks, the mentor, the father figure, the girl who doesn't like him like that.  That complaint applies to a show like Arrow that tends to flail from dramatic scene to dramatic scene inbetween the action, but the purpose of this story never felt confused at all.

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I'm calling it now, Barry starts fighting Zoom in the finale.  They enter the time stream and end up in his parents living room, the ensuing fight results in his mother's death.  Barry was the one who saved his younger self and placed him out on the street. 

 

Classic Flash!

post #39 of 1273
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I just want Grodd.  Give me Grodd.

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Oh. My. Gawd.  I realy liked this.  Being all judgy based on the premiered episode, I know, but there was so much more heart to this. Helps they got the right guy for the lead.  Brilliant having his dad be John Wesley Shipp!!!! Well played!!

 

For the record, I still hate Arrow. 

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I'm calling it now, Barry starts fighting Zoom in the finale.  They enter the time stream and end up in his parents living room, the ensuing fight results in his mother's death.  Barry was the one who saved his younger self and placed him out on the street. 

Classic Flash!

Easy bet, and yes classic Flash.

Honestly not a fan of this show though. Just didnt do it for me. Cheezus Maximus. Will maybe give it one more.

Having said that if they build a cosmic treadmill for him to use , I'll be back onboard.
post #42 of 1273

I thought this was a pretty solid, lightweight introduction to the show despite the CW attempting to drag it down with soft focus cameras and scenes set in front of lit fireplaces. Grant Gustin was particularly good in the lead role; both likeable and relatable. Hell, he's almost the polar opposite of the block of wood currently playing Green Arrow - so much so that I actually rolled my eyes when he showed up to deliver a cameo appearance, complete with clunky dialogue that (no surprise) he completely struggled with.  

 

Much like the lead character himself, I'm worried that this show may already be moving too fast. They should have held back on that final reveal, in my opinion, but we'll see how the rest of the season unfolds. Still, it's a very good start and I hope they can keep it up.

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Didn't know what to do with him or anyone else when he's not in the costume?  I don't really understand this point.  Not disagree, but literally don't understand where that's coming from.  The pilot moved fine, Barry is established as likeable, good at his job as a (televisionized) crime scene investigator.  His supporting characters are established as what they are.  Tech support folks, the mentor, the father figure, the girl who doesn't like him like that.  That complaint applies to a show like Arrow that tends to flail from dramatic scene to dramatic scene inbetween the action, but the purpose of this story never felt confused at all.

Meaning that while the character is structurally where he needs to be, the writing is so poor that he does nothing especially interesting within that structure. The tone is fine, but this show is so utterly televisual in every aspect that I can't roll with it.
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Meaning that while the character is structurally where he needs to be, the writing is so poor that he does nothing especially interesting within that structure. The tone is fine, but this show is so utterly televisual in every aspect that I can't roll with it.

 

Yeah. Too bad it's too television for television. How predictable.

post #45 of 1273
There is no written rule that a genre show has to be this basic, but if you're into it that's fine with me. Go meshuggah. It's the kind of thing that reminds me that not every television show is part of the post-Sopranos "Golden Age" and reminds me why I am so very picky about the limited amount of television that I actually watch. The Flash doesn't need to be even half the show that something like The Sopranos was, but I probably would have been impressed if it managed to be more than it is.

As is, there is entirely too much that is subpar about it.
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I'm calling it now, Barry starts fighting Zoom in the finale.  They enter the time stream and end up in his parents living room, the ensuing fight results in his mother's death.  Barry was the one who saved his younger self and placed him out on the street. 

 

Classic Flash!

I can see that, and if it does happen, I think Barry will save his mom this time!

post #47 of 1273
Some behind the scenes pics made it online this morning revealing The Reverse-Flash. There are more at: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/10/09/first-images-of-reverse-flash-hit-the-web/
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I really enjoyed the pilot... And I'm completely new to the CW DC universe, I've never been interested in "Arrow", but the good reviews for this pilot made me record it. And I'll keep watching.

 

There were a lot of funny lines, for example "Can I keep the sweatshirt"? :-)

 

The final prison father/son scene takes on another meta level if you think of it as the show addressing the old Flash show. "I won't be embarrassed" and so on - and this show is certainly not embarraseed about being a superhero show.

post #49 of 1273
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I can't help but wonder why you're throwing out examples like the sopranos Johnny. That's beef Wellington, while when you read almost any Flash book, it's a great burger. I'm not defending it if you think it's bad or too cheesy, I mean thats just the way it came off to you and that's that, but at no point during the conception of this show did I ever think, gee I hope this is as good as Breaking Bad. That's actually not fair to any show, especially not one about a guy wearing red tights.
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I liked the lead. I like Jesse L. Martin. I actually like the corny tech geek guy and I liked Wells.

 

Jesse's partner and the girl have to go. Zero chemistry and the obvious angst it's gonna create for the lead is going to be cringeworthy. I've seen enough to keep watching though. Hope it turns out better than the Tomorrow People, because jesus did they fuck that one up big time.

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