Ghost Rider...*sigh*

I agree but two words "unrated dvd".

For a point of reference... <a href="http://www.creature-corner.com/news3/dec12ghostrider.php3" target="_blank">go here.</a>

They're not going to make an unrated movie, release it as PG-13, then release an unrated DVD. They do that with hard "R" movies, not PG-13 ones. Nope, all hope was lost the second Goyer stepped away from the project.

Respectfully, I disagree. I'm an old school Ghost Rider fan too and agree that this was a mature title, for the 70's at least. But nothing was ever depicted that would push the content into an R rating (expect for the origin of that Eyeball guy). The Ring was PG-13, so were the Mummy films and they could be quite intense. PG-13 ratings open up horror to a wider audience and that means more money made and therefore more horror titles. I would rather have more films like this to pick and choose from (good and bad) than to see none at all.

Casting Cage is more of a disappointment than the possible rating but that's just personal preference. Besides has he ever carried through on anything?

I don't think being a PG will hurt the movie - although the very idea of a burning skull may give the MPAA pause for thought. Hellboy should be a PG too.

Big up to the old school Ghost Rider fans! I loved all that Johnny Blaze stuff, even had a letter printed in one of them. The GR makeover with Danny Ketch was also very cool, and reintroducing Blaze as a Plissken-modelled badass was a stroke of genius.

I don't know if the movie needs to be all that gory to make its point... I'm more concerned about them getting the GR effects right, especially the bike.

PG ain't a big deal to me. I was HUGE into Ghost Rider, at least the Dan Ketch stuff. But the themes invloved are a bit heavy for the kiddies. Spawn was what, Pg 13? And that was pretty much a large cartoon. I Followed the second incarnation of Ghost Rider from it's inception all the way through all the cross overs with the Lilith Brood, and the Sons of Midnight stuff. The stuff depicted in those comics (if memory serves me correctly) would be hard pressed to be shown in a PG 13 movie.

Sorry to say I know the background of the original, but I wasn't a comic junkie when that was in print.

Is it just me, or is everyone else having trouble imagining Nic Cage as the blond John Blaze?
I recently perused the pages of the john Blaze four issue comic where the Brood kidnaps his family, and he goes after them Charles Bronson like, and I could see Chris Chirstoferson doing that part. The older more crusty john Blaze that is.

No argument from here. But this year we got Signs and the Ring, both PG-13. Yeah, Signs is debatable but both did well at the box office and a lot of that is word of mouth. I'm hopeful that the studios recognize this. It's money in the bank. If I could get this gremlin deal going I would shoot out a smiley face. Let's try this...

I have trouble imagining Nic Cage as anything other than a ham actor.

GR needs an unknown IMO.

I forgot The Ring was PG-13. I suppose it's possible we can get a pretty good movie out of this. As long as they keep us fans in mind. Spawn seemed to lose a lot in the transition to the big screen. I 'spose that's what I'm more afraid of happening than simply a PG rating.

Nic Cage. There's the biggest issue I have with it, hands down. I know I focused on the "R" rating thing in the article, but when I think about it that is the worst idea associated with this whole production. Ham is a great word to describe his "abilities", but it's more the name than his acting skills that's getting him the role.

As long as the key effects, Ghost Rider (and that wicked bike of his), look cooler than they look horrific, they can slide by with a PG-13. The question is really how much demonic plot are they going to have to exorcise from the script to make the MPAA happy with the subject matter.

Our mantra: Please don't let this suck! Please don't let this suck! Please don't let this suck!

2 words that will put the FINAL NAIL in this coffin

CGI Head

-End of Line-

I dunno if all they say about Gollum is true then I'm not worried.

Sometimes they do make pg-13 and then change it to R. Thats what happened to Spawn.

Nic Cage has been shamelessly overacting ever since he won the Oscar for Leaving Las Vegas. I don't think he is going to get serious for Ghost Rider. He is also way off base with his "Comics are for a younger audience" comment. Every time I go to my comic shop, there is rarely anyone under the age of 25 there.

And how are they not going to make the head CGI, may I ask? Actually set Nic Cage's head on fire for the better part of the movie? While I agree this a fantastic idea outside of the 'Ghost Rider' movie, I don't think it would make pratical sense during filming...

Cage is a very poor choice. However when Goyer left because of it being PG-13 I agreed with him that it was a terrible move for the studio to make. Ghost Rider shouldn't be marketed with cellphone ads or have his own Burger King toy line.

It should follow the Blade root. Speaking of its nice to see Stephen Norrington is directing it. I thought he did an outstanding job on Blade and I look forward to seeing him tackle GR. However if it remains with Cage and PG-13 I will cringe and deal with it but it won't be pulled off right.

It would make for a short film, but I would pay to see it.

I've been a fan of GR since the 70's and it is a tough flick to pull off visually. Now add Nic Cage into the mix and you've got a disaster on your hands.

Nick Cages head on fyarr=WE ALL WIN!

I got on board with that series, too, but I checked out when the Midnight Sons crossovers got out of control. It became more about Marvel trying to sell 6 books at once than actually telling a good story.

Months ago, I remarked that the movie should be "R" because of the anti-hero nature of Ghost Rider himself. He inflicts pain. All he cares about is vengeance. Back when the first Crow movie came out (rated R) I was reminded of Ghost Rider. The Crow was a vengeance flick, complete with a penance stare -- Eric Draven gave his adversary all the pain his wife felt before she died, a very Ghost Rider idea. Anyway, films where the hero has cloudy morals tend to be rated R. Get Carter and Payback also come to mind.

Now I'm wondering if movies like this get the rating because of their morals or because of the sex, violence, and language? Can you do a movie with an ambiguous character at it's center, but tone down the sensational elements for a (legal) teenage audience? If you think about the content of shows like Angel and Buffy, I think it can be done.

You might even be able to show the gruesome effect of Johnny's face peeling back and his skull catching fire.

I'm trying to remember... would Ghost Rider kill the occasional bad guy or just beat em up? There's a fine line. Superheroes in movies usually only kill in self defense... and then agonize over it.

Well the second one wouldnt kill a HUMAN. When he was traking down the Zodiac killer, he wouldn't kill him. When he found out that it was actually a demon possessed indivdual, All bets where off, and he was flung from a brigde onto a barge, and was impaled. Neat stuff.

Would it be wrong to send this link to Cage? What with all the "Lets catch his head on fire!" Would that make him back off? Or would he actually try it to gain our approval?

The Danny Ketch incarnation brought to his human victims a fate worse than death- the dreaded Penance Stare. After he was through making them shit their pants, he'd just leave them there as vegetables. Ghost Rider was sorta like a superhero version of Ring's Sadako.

Didn't GR kill someone in the Marvel Comic Presents series. Deathwatch I think?

I hope they base GR and the bike off the 90's version which I thought was the best period for the character and best look.

That stare was great. People left as a fried near vegetable suffering the pain of there victims. Add that to the likely reality they already went through considering physical pain before this stare. Those chains weren't too healthy either wonder if they will get adapted too.

About the rating: I think they shouldn't limit the possibilities of the film by declaring they are going for a PG-13 rating, just make the best film possible, whatever the rating ends up being after that deal with it then.