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Same experience for me. It was really because I got Van Halen's first album as a Christmas present in 2002 that from then on I hardly kept up with present day music, always looking back on something that was ten years in the past or beyond instead. While everyone was listening to Green Day's "American Idiot" during my senior year, I was listening to Nirvana's "Nevermind" and Dr. Dre's "The Chronic".

Ugh.  Trek nerds.  

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The early 00's were filled with some fucking awful shit.
It occurs to me that I haven't deliberately turned a radio on since some time in 2003. Since then, I've only discovered new music via word of mouth, and even then only if the musician had a presence on Youtube. I think Nickelback turned me off of radio for life, without me having made a conscious decision about it.
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Same experience for me. It was really because I got Van Halen's first album as a Christmas present in 2002 that from then on I hardly kept up with present day music, always looking back on something that was ten years in the past or beyond instead. While everyone was listening to Green Day's "American Idiot" during my senior year, I was listening to Nirvana's "Nevermind" and Dr. Dre's "The Chronic".
Dear God yes. The Zeros were absolutely awful for popular music. So bad that even the 2010s (which have still been beyond shitty) represent a marked improvement. Fortunately, as with Stocks, the awfulness provided a perfect incentive for me to dig down into the wealth of excellent material that decades past gave to the world.
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Ugh.  Trek nerds.  

Til the day I die.
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Ugh.  Trek nerds.  

We'll teach you to appreciate Trek, heathen!

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I have unusually bad taste in music (worse than my taste in movies), and even I find terrestrial radio to be beyond awful.

If I'm not listening to NPR in the car, I'm usually bumping the soundtrack to "The Crow."


We're not so different, you and I.
post #756 of 2874
The Crow soundtrack has a song about Ghost Rider!
post #757 of 2874
It's a cover of a song from an okay proto-punk band called Suicide. I started listening to them two years ago. The more you know.
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THE CROW: CITY OF ANGELS soundtrack is 50% great! PJ Harvey, Bush, NY Loose, Pet, Iggy Pop.

And then Korn...
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Lots of worthwhile stuff on "The Crow" soundtrack. Good tracks from the Cure, STP, Jesus and Mary Chain, Nine Inch Nails covering Joy Division... It's kinda the apotheosis of my era of music.

Don't really remember anything from "City of Angels" except the Hole cover of "Gold Dust Woman", but I rather like that song.

To re-rail by chiming in on the Mary Jane non-controversy: I don't care what race they make her, I really rather they steered clear of the character for a while altogether. Like the "Spider-Man in high school is the only proper Spider-Man" notion, MJ's possible centrality to the story is giving me a real "Ultimate Spider-Man" vibe, and I am really not a fan of that comic. It might also reprise for my money the worst aspect of the otherwise solid Raimi movies, where any non-lame Peter Parker would have tried to hook up with Elizabeth Banks as Betty Brant instead.

Spidey's had lots of love interests, and a career that was only high school based for thirty odd issues, and making Mary Jane the love of his life was pretty abruptly done as one the less thought-out stunts of all time.The good news is that we'll get to see Holland age in the role, and there's always time to introduce MJ later and avoid any sense of destiny for the characters. I did like the triangle set up on the "Spectacular" cartoon between Peter, Gwen and Liz Allen.
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I don't mince words, I like Hole. Someone in a bar a year ago had this big spiel about how they were a far more interesting band than Nirvana and it was completely legit. Nirvana may be more interesting to most and have a better sound, but there's way more going on with Hole. They diversify with their music, while Nirvana is just "ANGRY/ANGST" 99% of the time. And Courtney Love is a really talented performer.

RE-RAIL: I'm just interesting in all these characters changing and developing as friends and enemies over the course of a few films. It feels like they're really milking the high school drama aspect, with some fun action. I'm totally in.
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Lots of worthwhile stuff on "The Crow" soundtrack. Good tracks from the Cure, STP, Jesus and Mary Chain, Nine Inch Nails covering Joy Division... It's kinda the apotheosis of my era of music.

I love all of those tracks, but I have to say, Medicine's Time Baby III and Jane Siberry's "in-universe" song, "Can't Rain All The Time" get a lot of play from me. It's actually the best thing to come from the sort of sappy narrative decision to make Eric a musician (he didn't have a profession or even a surname in the comic).
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I loved the orignal graphic novel when I was younger younger. Remember when they said the new film would follow the novel more than Proyas did, then they released this art with Bradley Cooper?


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I loved the orignal graphic novel when I was younger younger. Remember when they said the new film would follow the novel more than Proyas did, then they released this art with Bradley Cooper?


dafuq

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That looks potentially career-ending.

 

It's a shame it was never released, really. 

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Wouldn't have mattered, he always has Rocket Raccoon to fall back on.
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Now I'm really happy that remake never happened. 

Also, it's kind of hilarious that Cooper's best role is that of a talking raccoon. 

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So what came first...that picture or Rob Zombie?
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Are you referring to the plans for the orignal third Crow film? It was a few years before CORPSES and they hired Zombie to write a script. The protagonist is a 8 year old boy who was killed with his mother. And the script has dialogue and scenarios that he just carried over to CORPSES. The script is probably still online.
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Naw, I was just making a joke about the way Rob Zombie dresses...nothing about anything he actually has anything to do with..
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Rob Zombie has been dressing like a scuzzy hippy since 2006.

Even he knew to abandon that image a decade ago.
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That concept art is just one of many ideas they were playing with for Eric's nu-look...but all kind of terrible.

The best thing the abandoned (for now) remake of The Crow had going for it was a script by Nick Cave, which cannot imagine was a total waste.


There was a short-lived anthology comic book series that showed several different people who were resurrected by the crow to mete out justice for one crime or another. I think the most interesting story centered around a Native American who was resurrected over a hundred years after his murder to take out the equally malevolent "reincarnations" of the men who killed him. That and another story with a woman (and her unborn son) who was killed by (I think) domestic terrorists as a protagonist would have made for interesting sequels.
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I loved the orignal graphic novel when I was younger younger. Remember when they said the new film would follow the novel more than Proyas did, then they released this art with Bradley Cooper?


 

Oh, sweet. Alice Bradley Cooper.

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I love all of those tracks, but I have to say, Medicine's Time Baby III and Jane Siberry's "in-universe" song, "Can't Rain All The Time" get a lot of play from me. It's actually the best thing to come from the sort of sappy narrative decision to make Eric a musician (he didn't have a profession or even a surname in the comic).

I've lost count how many people I know that have named their pet or child "Draven".

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Who would call their pets Draven? If I had little worm on a big fuckin' hook, I might call it Skank but that's about it.

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Who would call their pets Draven? If I had little worm on a big fuckin' hook, I might call it Skank but that's about it.

 

My friends in the mid-30s that still think Nine Inch Nails is brilliant. My friends that will spend $700 for flight, hotel and ticket to go see Tool in concert...2-3 times a year. My friends that think Rob Zombie is not only a fantastic musician, but also an outstanding filmmaker. Et cetera...

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Are Nine Inch Nails not brilliant anymore? (I don't really follow them, and so I have no idea how they're regarded now.)

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There is no "they" with Nine Inch Nails. Trent Reznor *is* Nine Inch Nails, and yes, Reznor is still quite talented. His lyrics won't astonish you, but he is undeniably a gifted musician and producer. The difference between listening to NIN when you're seventeen and listening to NIN when you're thirty-five, is how seriously you identify with Reznor's lyrics. Since I'm no longer a depressed teenager, the downcast and emotionally violent nature of his lyrics no longer have the same effect, but it's still good stuff.

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I never much cared for Nine Inch Nails at all, neither as a teenager or an adult, but I love Reznor as a film composer. The dude does ambience and tone like a motherfucker.

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I like Rob Zombie's music frown.gif

...but not his movies....yuck..
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I sort of liked Rob Zombie when there was still a White Zombie and he was satisfied with looking like Al Jourgensen's separated at birth, trailer-park living twin.

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I never much cared for Nine Inch Nails at all, neither as a teenager or an adult, but I love Reznor as a film composer. The dude does ambience and tone like a motherfucker.
On a similar note, I've never really listened to NiN much (I was that odd creature, the happily antisocial teenager,) but Reznor's Quake soundtrack was all kinds of sweet for exactly these reasons.
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I don't have a problem with Zombie as a musician. But Reznor is an all-powerful God. I even love The Slip, which everyone seems to hate.
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My most recent NIN concert was when he co-toured with Soundgarden two years ago or so.  I don't see many concerts, and NIN is the only "band" I've seen more than once (1994, 2012, 2014).  Although I'm basically a square, I had a bad breakup in my freshman year of college, and Pretty Hate Machine carried me through it.  I've loved Trent ever since, scores and all.

 

Going to that "co-headlined" show, the difference in technical skill and performance between the two bands could not have been more distinct.  Soundgarden did the dad rocker thing of drinking a beer and being cool, with decent performances of their songs.  A mite rough, but still okay. 

 

The disparity became obvious immediately after NIN's set began.  Reznor was razor sharp in his performance, with the technical acumen of a very experienced musician and the energy of a entertainer still excited to tour.  Yeah, the crowd in 1994 was very different than the crowd in the 2010s (and I've gotten old AF), but the music was still very much on point.  I'll agree the lyrics still have that angsty flavor, but it works, his voice works with it, and he is truly a musical genius (a much overused word, comfortably applied to an extremely gifted talent in this case).

 

As for MJ...

 

#GingerHairMatters

 

I'm glad it is still okay to discriminate against the worst among us...the IRISH.

 

 

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I like NIN still as well. Talented he may be, but "brilliant" he is not. My comments were more in reference to the fact that these people are perpetually stuck at the age of 17. They don't name their cat Draven ironically, but because it is "the coolest name ever" of the "coolest character ever". Different strokes and all that -- it's just amusing to me.

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bril·liant
ˈbrilyənt/
 
2. exceptionally clever or talented.
 
 
I'm going to let Reznor have this one.
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He's certainly a brilliant businessman!

 

Anyway, sorry for the derail.

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As for MJ...

#GingerHairMatters

I'm glad it is still okay to discriminate against the worst among us...the IRISH.


 

You have a point... We're on our second live action Matt Murdock where they've color swapped his hair. The Marvel movies have an anti-ginger bias (reverse gingervitis, I suppose). Where's the outrage?
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It's a cultural sensitivity thing. He's already ginger, but he's supposed to be blind as well? That's stacking the deck against an already lowly species.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*This is my first ginger joke. I don't even find ginger jokes funny.

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Anyway, sorry for the derail.

 

Yes, this derail was completely your fault and you should be ashamed.

 

(Hee hee)

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I love all of those tracks, but I have to say, Medicine's Time Baby III and Jane Siberry's "in-universe" song, "Can't Rain All The Time" get a lot of play from me. It's actually the best thing to come from the sort of sappy narrative decision to make Eric a musician (he didn't have a profession or even a surname in the comic).

While its been about 20 years since I read the graphic novel, I got the vibe that Eric was a mechanic.

 

 I did think that musically Rob Zombie was cool till he co-headlined with Alice Cooper and Alice blew him off the stage. In short Alice had better tunes and a better show

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Back up the train, I missed the derail!

 

NIN is still one of my top 5 bands. For live performances, they are at the peak. I've seen them 4 times, and every concert had a substantially different setlist, visuals, and mood. Each time I saw them was a different tour, so the changing band members added to the variety too.

 

I never specifically associated them with teenage angst since I didn't get into them until after high school. 'The Fragile' was the one I initially connected with the most, and it's still my favorite. The 'angst' thing is a bit dismissive. So all metal and industrial music is for teenagers? Nah, I don't think so. Humans of all ages can connect with it. NIN stuff falls more into the composed pop-rock end of the songwriting spectrum, anyways. Out of his recent stuff, 'Year Zero' and 'Hesitation Marks' have shown a lot of growth and maturity.

 

Johnny mentioned Jane Siberry above. She's one of my favorite musicians as well. Her albums Maria, When I Was A Boy, Bound By The Beauty, and The Walking are all outstanding.

 

Also, y'all have me craving a Crow reboot with tophatted Bradley Cooper, and a dubstep soundtrack, directed by Len Wiseman. It could've been the biggest moderate hit of 2010!

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While its been about 20 years since I read the graphic novel, I got the vibe that Eric was a mechanic.


In the comic he was trying to fix his car which had broken down on a long, isolated road and that's where he and Shelly are murdered. That's probably where you get the mechanic thing from. Eric and Shelly are sort of drawn as ciphers, just two young people in love and building a life together, but there are zero biographical details.
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James O'Barr was a mechanic.
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Interesting. I did not know that.
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Not like a Jason Statham mechanic.
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Jon Favreau has officially signed on. More Happy!

That's good news for me.
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Signed on as what? Producer?
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As Happy. The character he's played in the MCU for nearly a decade.
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More Happy Hogan! Nothing wrong with that.

I just have to add my two cents in. I was a big fan of Rob Zombie from White Zombie through the first few years of his Hellbilly Deluxe solo album. But after that his writing took a nosedive into mediocrity and he's released terrible albums over and over again that sound the same. Not surprisingly this is parallel with his decision to direct awful, awful movies.

As for Trent Reznor, I still like his music a lot, but he needs to find his muse again because that Hesitation Marks album lacked a lot of heart. There is that funny "This is a Trent Reznor Song" YouTube parody that is 100% accurate of his current output. Sigh. The Downard Spiral and The Fragile were SO GOOD.
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Vincent Vega hairdo or GTFO.
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