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post #151 of 3545
Fuck Bruce Willis.
post #152 of 3545
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Originally Posted by Shaun H View Post
... Timur Bekmambetov-helmed remake of Ben-Hur...

 

Color me really, really surprised that these words haven't spurred a derail here. Not that I mean to cause a derail anyway.

post #153 of 3545

I suppose nobody cares about Ben-Hur outside of the context of the original.  Crappy dime a dozen remakes of classics happen so often now I don't really think it's worth getting upset about honestly. 

post #154 of 3545
Yeah, remaking Ben-Hur (which itself was a remake.....IIRC) is a no win situation.


I'd be down for that remake of The Conqueror with Steven Seagal though. I mean honestly, who wouldn't??
post #155 of 3545

I heard DC wants Tom Hardy to play Rick Flagg in a Suicide Squad movie. I am so for that, just because I want a scene where he’s talking to Harley Quinn or someone and she says “You don’t know what it’s like being a supervillain! You have no idea how hard it is to kill Batman!”

 

"That’s right, I don’t," Tom Hardy says, before looking at the camera.

 

post #156 of 3545
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I half-expect this to happen in the STEELMAN sequel.

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post #157 of 3545
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I remember Russell was going to be in "Django" at one point, but I never heard why he left the project. Where did you get that? 

 

 

 


Why here on the CHUD Message Boards, the indisputable source of Movie and Entertainment news! I don't recall which thread tho...might be the Django pre-release thread or the B Movie thread.

 

 

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But again why be a dick all day to everyone? Why accept a film you don't like and then act like you don't want to be there? I mean one thing that shines through is Willis not wanting to be there in his lack of chemistry with Morgan. And the reason I brought up the writer director bit is because Smith didn't write Cop Out. 

 

I'm not defending Willis. He's no Michael Caine or Christopher Lee, who are the Gold Standards in terms of always being professional.

 

I'm just saying I suspect Willis signed on to Cop Out not realzing that Smith wasn't necessarily a Pro, and reacted in kind.

post #158 of 3545

I still think Russell walked from DJANGO after balking at the gay panic parts of the Ace Woody character which subsequently got folded into Billy Crash. That's my cockamamie theory and I'm sticking to it, dagnabit.

post #159 of 3545
And when I saw Kurt Russell's name mentioned in a DC thread, I had a hope he was cast as Old Batman. Hopes dashed.
post #160 of 3545
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You may or may not have just given me a boner with that thought.

post #161 of 3545
As awesome as the image is of old snake plisken being batman... Kurt is too much fun to give him the brooding role.

CAPTAIN RON SEQUEL!
post #162 of 3545
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Originally Posted by James Gunn

 

CARTS BEFORE HORSES & HOLLYWOOD'S NEW LOVE OF SHARED UNIVERSES

 

Listen, I love big ass shared universes in movies, as well as huge franchises. But I'm a little worried about the numerous shared universes being planned by the studios, without having a strong base film to grow from - or in some cases, NO base film to grow from. Star Wars had the original Star Wars, the Marvel Universe had the original Iron Man, the Dark Knight series had Batman Begins, even movies like Transformers and Twilight - these were movies audiences loved, and the audiences demanded more from these characters. But these days studios are trying to grow trees without a strong seed. Execs and producers and sometimes even directors are focused on the big picture, without perfecting the task directly in front of them - making a great movie. And studios are trying to grow franchises from non-existent films or middling successes. It's like they aren't taking audiences into account at all anymore.

 

I know George Lucas, Kevin Feige, John Favreau, etc, had ideas where their films would potentially lead in the face of success. But I don't think it ever got in the way of making that first movie count as if it was the last, of making it something wonderful that people would love whether it led to other films or not.

 

In short, I think this new business model is flawed. I think filmmakers and studios should be prepared for the big picture, but never, ever let it get in the way of making a single great film. Be a little more experimental and see what works as opposed to trying to force success. And mostly, remember that we as an industry exist to serve the audiences, to communicate with them - they have a voice in what we create as well. We are not here to dictate what they want to see, mostly because that's simply not possible.

 

post #163 of 3545
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As awesome as the image is of old snake plisken being batman... Kurt is too much fun to give him the brooding role.
 


Give Bruce Willis the brooding old Batman role. Give Kurt Russell...The Old Joker role. Think about that laugh Russell does at the gambling table in "Big Trouble". It's perfect. It'll never happen, but it's perfect.

post #164 of 3545
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Hey James Gunn! I may not have liked your movie all that much, but you're A-OKAY IN MY BOOK!

post #165 of 3545
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Michelle MacLaren has officially signed on as the Wonder Woman director. Where you at, Marvel!
post #166 of 3545
Hmm.
post #167 of 3545
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Hmm.


I agree with this.  Great news!  In theory.

 

She's Canadian, she's directed some of the best TV ever period... 

 

But also no feature credits as far as I can tell.  There's a difference between somebody who came up as a feature director and somebody who started on Season 9 of the X Files, and then was a worker for a bit.  I'm worried that WB/DC is going to chew her up and spit her out. 

post #168 of 3545

In other news, WB/DC is searching for a Cyborg Negro to direct a movie based on DC Character "Cyborg".

post #169 of 3545

Is Cyborg Negro the PC term?

post #170 of 3545
Thread Starter 
A black superhero movie directed by a black guy? Fleed's head would explode.
post #171 of 3545

No Shaun he's also got to be a Cyborg!

 

God knows who they'll get to direct the Hawkman movie.

post #172 of 3545

You're implying Michelle is a Greek God?

post #173 of 3545

Goddess Freeman. God you guys....

post #174 of 3545

No.........*brandishes Proton Pack accelerator unit with purposeful grip and willingness*

post #175 of 3545
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Goddess Freeman. God you guys....


WHY'S IT GOT TO BE GENDER SPECIFIC CYLON?!  HUH?!  YOU IMPLYING THAT BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN SHE NEEDS TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN ALL THE OTHER GODS?!

 

GOSH!

post #176 of 3545

Freeman you just don't get it do you? You've got to think like a WB Exec.

 

"We're making a Wonder Woman movie, we'll get Street Cred if it's Directed by a Woman".

 

"We're making a Catwoman movie (reboot), we need a Catwoman to Direct it!"

 

You should just give up any dreams of making it in Hollywood Freeman!

post #177 of 3545
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Bale talks about being jealous upon Ben's casting: http://www.slashfilm.com/christian-bale-ben-affleck-batman/

 

And Guillermo says the Justice League Dark script is finished.

post #178 of 3545

Guillermo's JL Dark is never eeeever gonna happen. He's got what, five other films he's been working on for way longer? The two PACIFIC RIM sequels, his FRANKENSTEIN thing, his HAUNTED MANSION, a PINOCCHIO movie...and that's without him waking up in January or February and trying to get AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS or HELLBOY 3 off the ground again.

post #179 of 3545
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Yeah, but it's a given that 90% of those will keep failing to come to fruition (it's GDT, afterall). This one actually has a script and WB has comic book fever at the moment, so I wouldn't be surprised if it works out.

post #180 of 3545

Suicide Squad Set:

 

Will Smith - Deadshot

Tom Hardy - Rick Flagg

Jared Leto - Joker

Margot Robbie - Harley Quinn

Cara Delevinge - Enchantress

(HOLY SHIT HOLLYWOOD STOP CASTING) Jai Courtney - Boomerang

 

they want Oprah Winfrey for Amanda Waller.

 

That's one helluva cast. Could be a ton of fun, could be a complete mess. Let's hope Ayer brings his End of Watch / Fury game and not his Sabotage game to the proceedings.

post #181 of 3545

Smith as Deadshot makes so much more sense than Smith as Boomerang.  Hopefully he's still got his 90s A-game, because that would be absolutely perfect for ol' Floyd.

 

Hopefully he's willing to go darker/more antiheroic for the part, too.  It'd be a real kick to see Smith pull off something as cold as the "C'est la vie" moment from JLU.

post #182 of 3545
No pressure, Jared.
post #183 of 3545
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No pressure, Jared.

 

 

Guess the WB Execs didn't read that Internet Petition demanding that they retire the character of The Joker out of respect for Heath Ledger.

post #184 of 3545
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What a fucking cast for such an offbeat group of characters. We should all be rejoicing at the possibilities.
post #185 of 3545

I mean...  Wow.  WB DC is really bringing the pain with their plans.  I really REALLY hope they could this one right, because the dark humor and fun bad guys on a mission premise is great.

 

One question.  Has the Joker traditionally been a Suicide Squad member?  His character doesn't strike me as the type Waller would try and control with threats and explosive brain bombs and stuff.  She's smart enough to know that somebody like the Joker is only going to make you eat your plans. 

post #186 of 3545

Wait...how is it that the Suicide Squad cast is so much more star studded than the Justice League's?  I mean, it's only a good thing for DC, but...huh?

post #187 of 3545

Probably because at least a couple of them are gonna bite it, so they didn't get tied down by six-film contracts or whatever.

 

Though I hope DC continues this pattern.  Meryl Streep for Circe in the Wonder Woman film!

post #188 of 3545

I don't mind.  Justice League will do fine, but Suicide Squad is kind of like Guardians of the Galaxy.  It's a little bit different and WB DC knows it, so they're throwing down the major talent so people are fucking amped to see this movie instead of ambivalent.  And it's worked!  On most us I'd say.

 

Margot Robbie as Harley is going to give me wet dreams for the first time in my life.  Also her and Leto together? Eww. 

post #189 of 3545
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Guess the WB Execs didn't read that Internet Petition demanding that they retire the character of The Joker out of respect for Heath Ledger.

Ohh god that didn't really happen did it?

post #190 of 3545

Robbie and Hardy are the only slamdunks talent-wise, but yeah, this looks real interesting and way more exciting than DAWN OF JUSTICE. Oprah as The Wall would be insane in the best possible way.

 

I'll also go to bat for Courtney here. He's a wooden block when he has to focus on an accent, but when he gets to play his own nationality he's actually quite charismatic.

post #191 of 3545
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Man, you must really hate Will Smith.
post #192 of 3545
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I mean...  Wow.  WB DC is really bringing the pain with their plans.  I really REALLY hope they could this one right, because the dark humor and fun bad guys on a mission premise is great.

One question.  Has the Joker traditionally been a Suicide Squad member?  His character doesn't strike me as the type Waller would try and control with threats and explosive brain bombs and stuff.  She's smart enough to know that somebody like the Joker is only going to make you eat your plans. 

No. The Joker has never been a member and there's no real indication that he's a member in this film. If he is a member, he'll either not be one for long or they've drastically altered his personality for this film (which would be awful). Suicide Squad is for opening acts, not rock stars.
post #193 of 3545
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Man, you must really hate Will Smith.

 

Not at all! I just don't know if he can get out of his own way and play a character like Deadshot as the amoral SOB that he is. If he manages to do that then great, but his track record isn't good. I fear rewrites to make him more typically heroic are already underway.

post #194 of 3545
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Not at all! I just don't know if he can get out of his own way and play a character like Deadshot as the amoral SOB that he is. If he manages to do that then great, but his track record isn't good. I fear rewrites to make him more typically heroic are already underway.

I'd imagine they'd do that even if Will Smith isn't involve. 

post #195 of 3545
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Wait...how is it that the Suicide Squad cast is so much more star studded than the Justice League's?  I mean, it's only a good thing for DC, but...huh?

 

That seems a little weird until you remember that in this genre, the villains have traditionally been played by bigger stars than the heroes. Gene Hackman, Jack Nicholson, Liam Neeson, etc...

post #196 of 3545
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That seems a little weird until you remember that in this genre, the villains have traditionally been played by bigger stars than the heroes. Gene Hackman, Jack Nicholson, Liam Neeson, etc...

 

But, they sort of are the heroes of this movie?  And these are for the most part not iconic archnemeses of the top tier heroes.  Again, good casting is only a good thing, but I'm sort of baffled by the decision to break the bank on this movie while filling out the JLA roster with models, unknowns and Momoas.

post #197 of 3545
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That seems a little weird until you remember that in this genre, the villains have traditionally been played by bigger stars than the heroes. Gene Hackman, Jack Nicholson, Liam Neeson, etc...

 

But, they sort of are the heroes of this movie?  And these are for the most part not iconic archnemeses of the top tier heroes.  Again, good casting is only a good thing, but I'm sort of baffled by the decision to break the bank on this movie while filling out the JLA roster with models, unknowns and Momoas.

 

Yeah, it's still a little odd. Maybe they're courting David Ayer to be a co-showrunner alongside Snyder?

post #198 of 3545

Maybe the reasoning is that Momoas and models (<- band name of the day) can be cast as heroes because those are characters usually save lives, punch evil guys and do heroic deeds, so the audience will automatically root for them. Plus you don't need big stars because the characters are well-known. But if you're making a film about Deadshot, Rick Flag and Boomerang, it doesn't hurt if you cast people who can sell it to the public.

post #199 of 3545
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No. The Joker has never been a member and there's no real indication that he's a member in this film. If he is a member, he'll either not be one for long or they've drastically altered his personality for this film (which would be awful). Suicide Squad is for opening acts, not rock stars.


I think it's entirely possible the Joker is the villain in this.  Either that or it's a glorified cameo setting up Harley and then Leto moves on to other movies in the DCCU.  But Joker as the villain makes a certain degree of sense...evil vs. bugnuts crazy evil.  Plus you could play around a LOT with the meta-commentary on "Why doesn't Batman just kill him?" when you have a movie full of folks that are, in fact, trying to kill him.

post #200 of 3545
I'm not going to try too hard to guess what they're doing, but I sort of assume he's there to set-up Quinn and at some point she's thrown in jail and then coerced into joining the Suicide Squad. Or they could just be expeditious about it and have her already locked up at the time and burn through her connection to the Joker with a little exposition. I don't know, there's a couple of ways to do it, but they have to deal with the fact that while everyone knows who the Joker is, general audiences have no idea who Harley Quinn is. I suppose having the Joker serve as the main antagonist, or one of them, would be a fine way to do that.

The pedigree of the filmmakers is fine, so whether I bother with this or not just depends on how it looks. Either way, whatever look they settle on for Quinn (it won't be the cartoon version, that's for sure), I just hope it's not the bullshit stripper wear they've got her wearing in those video games. Maybe something like what she's got going on in the comics now, which is somewhat more digestible if a bit Hot Topic-y.
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