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post #2751 of 3585
He literally said in a 2009 interview during the Watchmen press that he hates Superman.
post #2752 of 3585
Where? Can't find the quote anywhere.
post #2753 of 3585
Hmmm, I exaggerated. He talks about, in 2008 interview with EW, how he liked Heavy Metal but not "normal" comics until Watchmen came along, how if he directed a Batman movie it would have the character get raped in prison, and how Doctor Manhattan is Superman if he accidentally ripped people's arms off.

So sure, he doesn't hate Superman. But does he understand him?

I am the A #1 defender of the DCEU around here and even I think Snyder's Supes is bent until he breaks when he says "No one stays good in this world." You can adapt and put a spin, but maintain the essence.
post #2754 of 3585
I think it's more Snyder has no time for standard heroism. I'm sure he will come back more heroic then ever in JL if for no reason other then the studio says so. Or maybe we are getting a real bare bones version of what Snyder had originally intended before he had an entire CU shoved on him.
post #2755 of 3585
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I think it's more Snyder has no time for standard heroism. I'm sure he will come back more heroic then ever in JL if for no reason other then the studio says so. Or maybe we are getting a real bare bones version of what Snyder had originally intended before he had an entire CU shoved on him.

 

Snyder did not have a CU "shoved on" him.  It's not as though he signed on thinking Man Of Steel would be a personal, impressionistic one-off.  The marching orders were "HURRY UP AND CATCH US UP TO MARVEL" from the start.

post #2756 of 3585
There was supposed to be more Superman films. BvS was forced onto Snyder. What set up an expanded universe in MoS? A random satellite saying Wayne Foundation? They wanted Avengers money so they rushed BvS, it wasn't the idea from the start.
post #2757 of 3585
Oh boy. Such a shame we were denied more Supersnyder flying solo, barely being arsed to save anyone and wearing a pity-fuck face when he does.
post #2758 of 3585
Hey guys

Hey you guys

How about you read the articles I posted and respond to that?

Or respond to anything in my post except for the part about Snyder hating Superman.
post #2759 of 3585
I'm at work. Reading 'em when I get home.
post #2760 of 3585
Slim, your next action will determine if you get to fuck or let us fuck.
post #2761 of 3585
But this isn't the Sophie's Choice thread!
post #2762 of 3585

Also, this:

 

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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

 barely being arsed to save anyone

 

has already been pretty much debunked. Multiple times.

post #2763 of 3585
Snyder Superman literally saved the world. 7 billion isn't enough for some peeps sheesh.
post #2764 of 3585
Excuse me for referencing what is still an incredibly common reading of the film.
post #2765 of 3585

Its commonality doesn't matter. It's inaccurate.

post #2766 of 3585
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Its commonality doesn't matter. It's inaccurate.
The three problematic moments, in my opinion, are Supes crashing Zod (and himself) recklessly through that gas station. Superman leaping over the tanker truck instead of preventing it, or trying to prevent it, from blowing that parking garage up...and the kiss. The rest smacks of looking too hard for things to hold against the film. I'm not a die hard MOS fan but some of the criticisms leveled against it regarding Superman's battle with Zod were really splitting hairs..
post #2767 of 3585
Okay, man. I was talking character, not Supersaves Per Minute. I find a Superman who seems so unenthused about Supering thanks to having a lunatic Pa Kent a big turnoff.

All old news. I can let it go.
post #2768 of 3585
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Okay, man. I was talking character, not Supersaves Per Minute. I find a Superman who seems so unenthused about Supering thanks to having a lunatic Pa Kent a big turnoff.

All old news. I can let it go.
Lol not specifically directing that at you man! Just felt that since it was brought up, I'd throw my two cents in. I agree that it's off when it comes to the vibe of the character...it's just that going by what actually happens in that fight...Superman isn't as disasterously apathetic to all that happens as some reviewers seemed to delight in portraying it..
post #2769 of 3585
No worries Fraid. I was replying to Mr. Literal.
post #2770 of 3585

Lightning Slim,

 

Do not get to fuck, do not collect $200.

post #2771 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post


The three problematic moments, in my opinion, are Supes crashing Zod (and himself) recklessly through that gas station. Superman leaping over the tanker truck instead of preventing it, or trying to prevent it, from blowing that parking garage up...and the kiss. The rest smacks of looking too hard for things to hold against the film. I'm not a die hard MOS fan but some of the criticisms leveled against it regarding Superman's battle with Zod were really splitting hairs..

 

There are a number of "Zod battle" scenes that are problematic, if not the entire way Supes approaches the battle, but to me, the biggest, absolute biggest problems are:

 

1.)Supes letting his Dad die (he was old enough to know better) to avoid being a hero

 

and

 

2.)Supes not correcting/reacting in a "Superman" esque manner to his mother telling him he doesn't owe the world a thing.  

post #2772 of 3585

Man of Steel has Russell Crowe as Kryptonian Office Paper Clip and Michael Shannon giving an all-time villain performance.

 

it's pretty good. 

post #2773 of 3585
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There are a number of "Zod battle" scenes that are problematic, if not the entire way Supes approaches the battle, but to me, the biggest, absolute biggest problems are:

1.)Supes letting his Dad die (he was old enough to know better) to avoid being a hero

and

2.)Supes not correcting/reacting in a "Superman" esque manner to his mother telling him he doesn't owe the world a thing.  
I was just referring to the end battle only. If we're talking the entire film then, yeah...that whole awful tornado scene is THE absolute worst part of the movie, hands down..
post #2774 of 3585
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No worries Fraid. I was replying to Mr. Literal.

 

That's Mr. Tedious and Literal to you, Sunny Jim!

post #2775 of 3585
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There are rumblings that some actor whose name I can't remember is either being considered or who has been cast as Tim Drake/Robin.

Tim Drake is my Robin. He was coming in just as I was getting pretty heavy into my comic book fandom. However, if I'm a suit at Warners or Geoff Johns or Snyder or Whedon or whoever the fuck is running this machine now, I'm not using Tim Drake.

At this point, a live action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns would be completely redundant. Between The Dark Knight Rises and BvS, virtually every major element of that story has been snatched up and recontextualized. The only three major bits left are The Mutants, Batman's final battle with the Joker, and Carrie Kelly.

Fucking. Use. Carrie. Kelly. As. Robin.

They're already developing Nightwing, so cut out Drake entirely and have it go: Dick Grayson 👉 Jason Todd 👉 Carrie Kelly.

Do that.

Drake is, and always will be, my Robin. Robin: A Hero Reborn was the first TPB I ever owned.

If you're going to put the Bat Fam on screen, I'd use Grayson Nightwing, Barbara Oracle, Cassandra Cain Batgirl, Drake Robin.... Dead JT.

And then make a Grayson/Damien Batman & Robin trilogy.

And then a Batman Beyond Trilogy with McGuinness.

Batmans all the way down.
post #2776 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

Man of Steel has Russell Crowe as Kryptonian Office Paper Clip and Michael Shannon giving an all-time villain performance.

 

it's pretty good. 

 

But is it better than Ang Lee's Hulk?

post #2777 of 3585
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But is it better than Ang Lee's Hulk?

post #2778 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
 

 

But is it better than Ang Lee's Hulk?

 

No. Ang Lee's Hulk is wonderful.

post #2779 of 3585

Point to Hulk.

post #2780 of 3585
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That's Mr. Tedious and Literal to you, Sunny Jim!

"Sonny" Jim.

It's the age related diminutive that makes it affectionately condescending. Sunny Jim just makes me sound like some kind of fruit punch.

Couldn't resist. And I know, "affectionately" is a stretch.
post #2781 of 3585
Talking about Marvel, no one's doing Bart's homework...
post #2782 of 3585
Reading hard.
post #2783 of 3585
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Drake is, and always will be, my Robin. Robin: A Hero Reborn was the first TPB I ever owned.

Same and I didn't exactly know what a trade was when I bought it. It was the first time I thought Robin was a cool character on top of looking cool. I wasn't familiar with Jason Todd or A Death in the Family at the time either. I don't know how I'd feel on a revisit, but certain panels and characters are lodged in my brain. I loved seeing Drake globe-trotting alone and learning how to fight and survive (and how not to) from some of the deadliest people on the planet and I was especially blow away by my introduction to Lady Shiva (who instantly became one of my favorite characters at the time before she was ruined over the years).
post #2784 of 3585

I have always been a Tim Drake man, but that is because I began reading Batman right before Knightfall and that series. I followed Robin's standalone title after Zero Hour for a good two and a half years. I like the idea of Dick Grayson as the first Robin who matured and moved away, and the Jason Todd Robin as a failure for Batman. It makes Batman's interactions with Tim so much better. 

 

Plus, Tim is more likely to get the title World's Greatest Detective when/if Batman passes. 

post #2785 of 3585

Matt Reeves has dropped the existing script for THE BATMAN, will be developing his own story.

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-director-matt-reeves-has-dropped-ben-afflecks-script-1020694

 

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The filmmaker, who stepped into replace star Ben Affleck as director on the project, recently revealed on MTV's Happy Sad Confused podcast that he scrapped the earlier script that Affleck, Chris Terrio and DC's Geoff Johns had worked on.

 

When asked if he would be working with Affleck's script, Reeves said, "No, it’s a new story. It’s just starting again. I’m excited about it. I think it’s going to be really cool.”

post #2786 of 3585

Poor Joe Manganiello. Maybe they let him keep the Deathstroke costume.

post #2787 of 3585
Considering everything Reeves has said about making a smaller character driven noir-esque story...I'm good with this.
post #2788 of 3585

matt reeves?

 

he's fine

post #2789 of 3585

I like Cloverfield quite a bit in terms of found-footage films. Let Me In isn't as good as Let the Right One In, and has some unnecessary CGI, but does manage to put its own spin on the story in terms of Cold War subtext. 

 

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes is awesome!

 

So

 

Matt Reeves?

 

Pretty good.

post #2790 of 3585
No Deathstroke is a good thing.
post #2791 of 3585

Deathstroke is kind of superfluous with Deadshot running around. And really, he's not a Batman villain. 

 

Gimme dat Clayface.

post #2792 of 3585

be nice to finally get a proper riddler. 

Or, they could just go far left field and get someone like Solomon Grundy. 

post #2793 of 3585
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Deathstroke is kind of superfluous with Deadshot running around. And really, he's not a Batman villain. 

 

Gimme dat Clayface.


IMO Deathstroke is a cooler and more developed character than Deadshot (comics-wise), but yes, there are enough superficial similarities that I could see WB execs worrying about people getting confused.

 

And really he's basically a "DC Universe" villain at this point.  He started as a Titans guy but he's pretty much tangled with everyone.  If you made a Venn diagram of the DCU you'd definitely find Deathstroke in a circle that overlapped with "Bat Villains."

 

Probably not likely they'd have used the recent books for inspiration though, which is a shame as the "Rebirth" Deathstroke series is one of the best things DC is cranking out right now.

post #2794 of 3585

I mean, sure. Deathstroke is the ultimate assassin. Throw him in a Batman movie with Lady Shiva and David Cain, and he'd fit fine.

 

It just seems like this will be the first solo Batman movie since 2012, and the opportunity to do classic villains that have never been done or redo bastardized villains like Mr. Freeze would be so much better.

 

Or you could do both. Homecoming proved you can have multiple villains work as long as there's a main one taking the lead.

post #2795 of 3585
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IMO Deathstroke is a cooler and more developed character than Deadshot (comics-wise), but yes, there are enough superficial similarities that I could see WB execs worrying about people getting confused.

 

 

As they should be, since I didn't realize until just now that they are different characters.  Which one was Will Smith in SS?  Was the other in Arrow?

post #2796 of 3585
No. No more ninja assassin mercenaries covered in pouches unless they're being mocked by Deadpool.

Batman fights freaks, obsessives and spectrum kids gone over the edge.
post #2797 of 3585

Slim gets it.

post #2798 of 3585

Reeves is explicitly going for a noir take on Batman. This limits the likely villains. 

post #2799 of 3585

Poor MM.

 

So naive.

 

So delicious.

 

So much car trouble.

post #2800 of 3585
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So much car trouble.

 

Fucking goddamn car.

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