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post #3151 of 3585

I wouldn't get your hopes up.  I don't love MOS and haaate BvS, but I expect it will be fine.  Maybe even good.  Which is maybe not the worst outcome, but the most boring.

post #3152 of 3585
DC can't catch a break! Good isn't enough! People want it to be bad to Golem up the message board... Pleasure is beyond CHUD's reach.
post #3153 of 3585
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DC can't catch a break! Good isn't enough! People want it to be bad to Golem up the message board... Pleasure is beyond CHUD's reach.

 

Except their last/current movie, which everyone fawned over.  Including me!

post #3154 of 3585
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Uuuummm. Really? What trailer were you watching?

 

The one where Aquaman surfs through a building on the back of a parademon! And Flash says funny stuff! And Cyborg takes over the Batmobile!

 

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post #3155 of 3585
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Except their last/current movie, which everyone fawned over.  Including me!

I'm just mad I never get lumped in with the deluded DC defenders.
post #3156 of 3585
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I'm just mad I never get lumped in with the deluded DC defenders.

 

At least you didn't get Munsoned out in the wastes with the Fantastic Four fanboys.

post #3157 of 3585
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I'm just mad I never get lumped in with the deluded DC defenders.

Ditto. I got a purple HOPE for wounds suffered in defense of MOS.
post #3158 of 3585

Got a new blu-ray/streaming device the other day and logged in to my Vudu account. Remembered I have a digital copy of BvS: Ultimate Edition on there.

 

Skipped around watching bits and pieces of it last night.

 

So good.

post #3159 of 3585
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So good.

 

 

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post #3160 of 3585

If you're saying the movie gets a rise (basara basara deshi) out of me...

 

You'd be right.

post #3161 of 3585
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All exept Sax and Fraid and MichaelM, although MM will act lukewarm on it while secretly rewatching it every few months.

It distressed me how accurate this is likely to be.
post #3162 of 3585
They're talking to Johnny Depp for Swamp Thing.

I can't think of worse comic book film news. Shut all this down now. No more.
post #3163 of 3585
O dear God no. Noooo. Nonono no nono nono mononononomihyj.

Swamp Thing is my #1 superhero boo. They can't do this. Good lord I hope they don't desecrate Moore's run. Mama mia shut down the DCU.
post #3164 of 3585
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I can't think of worse comic book film news. Shut all this down now. No more.

Really?! I can think of one. Granted it has nothing to do with the live action movies but still...
http://www.pajiba.com/book_reviews/dear-frank-miller-stay-the-f-away-from-superman-lois-lane.php
post #3165 of 3585
Master Race actually did a good job with Superman. Anyways Swamp Thing getting Depped in the middle of nowhere is still the worst.
post #3166 of 3585
Oh ick. I would love to see a proper adaptation of Swamp Thing. Depp isn't that.
post #3167 of 3585

I don't get it. I mean, I have nothing really against Johnny Depp (although the Johnny Depp I enjoyed unfortunately passed away in 2009), but why is he in everything now - aside from obviously needing to pay all of his debts? When was his last successful movie? Why is he in the Harry Potterverse, the Universal Monsterverse and now also the DCEU? Does he just have the best agent who ever lived? Is there a secret underground market for his blu-rays that I don't know about?

post #3168 of 3585

He needs money. He needs a lot of money, and he needs it fast - so  he's saying yest to everything. 

post #3169 of 3585
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He needs money. He needs a lot of money, and he needs it fast - so  he's saying yest to everything. 

 

"Yest!" - Johnny Depp, 2017

post #3170 of 3585
Is the Wes Craven Swamp Thing worth checking out?
post #3171 of 3585
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"Yest!" - Johnny Depp, 2017

 

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post #3172 of 3585
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Is the Wes Craven Swamp Thing worth checking out?

I'd skip right to Jim Wynorski's sequel.

post #3173 of 3585

Looking at that Ed Wood gif, I miss that Johnny.  Now I just want to look away.

post #3174 of 3585
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Is the Wes Craven Swamp Thing worth checking out?

 

It's a fun B movie. There was also a TV Series where each episode Swamp Thing would Teach A Valuable Lesson about Ecology!

 

If you've never read the Alan Moore comics, they are classic...approaching real literature. Yes I said that about something called "Swamp Thing". 

 

So Johnny Depp is now officially in the I'll Be In Anything Club. 

 

I'd guess he'll be Arcane....the wackiest quirkyist Arcane evah!

post #3175 of 3585
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Is the Wes Craven Swamp Thing worth checking out?

I can't advise you on that but if you watch the trailers and feel that it's right up your alley then go right ahead.

Everything i know about Swamp Thing i learned from the animated series
post #3176 of 3585

Suicide Squad 2 loses a director: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/07/31/jaume-collet-serra-dodges-suicide-squad-2-to-instead-take-jungle-cruise

 

As for Johnny Depp as Swamp Thing, I guess he's got something over on WB since they threw him into their Fantastic Beasts franchise-to-be. It's whatever, he'll be a mostly CGI creation anyway after he transforms.

 

Hopefully with a hat.

post #3177 of 3585
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Suicide Squad 2 loses a director: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/07/31/jaume-collet-serra-dodges-suicide-squad-2-to-instead-take-jungle-cruise

 

As for Johnny Depp as Swamp Thing, I guess he's got something over on WB since they threw him into their Fantastic Beasts franchise-to-be. It's whatever, he'll be a mostly CGI creation anyway after he transforms.

 

Hopefully with a hat.


Don't forget the scarves. Instead of plants, Swamp Thing will be made up entirely of scarves.

post #3178 of 3585
I assume Swampy is being cast for Justice League Dark? That will just be a Constantine circle jerk anyways so Depp it up.
post #3179 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Raynis View Post

They're talking to Johnny Depp for Swamp Thing.

I can't think of worse comic book film news. Shut all this down now. No more.

Fortunately, this is just a bit of nonsense tweeted by the "satirical" Unreel News. The Variety story they reference does not exist.

https://twitter.com/Unreel__News/status/891773501211779072
post #3180 of 3585
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I assume Swampy is being cast for Justice League Dark? That will just be a Constantine circle jerk anyways so Depp it up.

 

I thought the recent animated movie was good at giving everyone a part to play. Deadman was particularly well done.

post #3181 of 3585
Yea the animated movie was pretty good. I'm still bitter Jason Blood got buried but Swamp Thing's moldy corpse was just left wherever it landed.

I would love an Etrigan movie but I doubt that would ever happen. Or he would become a rapper or something.
post #3182 of 3585
They apparently had a post-credits sequence planned for SQUAD hinting at Swampie and setting up JLD, but was sided for the Wayne/Waller meeting. Medical units at Belle were sent off to help with a crisis set off from a lab explosion or something.

Like someone above said, Swamp Thing is my absolute favorite hero. And Moore's run is my Top 3 comic runs. POS, annoying Depp being considered is a terrible bit of news for me.
post #3183 of 3585

I know very little about Swamp Thing, although I thought the way he was used in the recent Injustice game was pretty cool.

 

post #3184 of 3585
He looks like the more recent Swamp Thing in that video, which is very cool. That story was one of the best of the New 52, and it directly followed Moore's SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING, even keeping the tone of a trippy horror comic. Great stuff.
post #3185 of 3585

Swamp Thing is simultaneously one of the simplest comic concepts out there and one of the more complex. Alec Holland is a scientist, his lab is in the swamp, it gets set on fire with him in it and his destroyed body is absorbed into the swamp. He reemerges as a plant monster.

 

HOWEVER

 

Alan Moore came along 30 years ago and the result was this:

 

post #3186 of 3585
Along with the awesome concept that Swamp Thing isn't Holland. It's the swamp life trying to be Holland.

If anyone hasn't read Moore's run yet, and want an all-time read...
post #3187 of 3585

But then ironically Scott Snyder came along and made Alec Holland prominent again in the last five years, without discarding any of Moore's story.

post #3188 of 3585
I was totally along for that. A good change of pace. I was only mildly into Vaughen's Swamp Thing.

I love how it opens all bright with Superman swooping in, and escalates into people snapping their own necks and murdering each other.
post #3189 of 3585
Johns brought Holland back in Brightest Day. And I bought one volume by Morrisson/Millar from the 90's where he was blatently Holland again.

I much prefer Moore's take, but eventually at the end if the New52 run Soule ended up bringing back Moore's SW in a weird meta "we can never be as good as you" moment. Then Swamp Thing becomes one with literature. It's weird.
post #3190 of 3585
Wow, Munson actually has a heart. And it's swampy green.
post #3191 of 3585
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I know very little about Swamp Thing, although I thought the way he was used in the recent Injustice game was pretty cool.

 

 

NITPICK: Ras Al Ghul TOTALLY respected nature. He wanted to kill 99% of humanity to protect it!

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I much prefer Moore's take, but eventually at the end if the New52 run Soule ended up bringing back Moore's SW in a weird meta "we can never be as good as you" moment. Then Swamp Thing becomes one with literature. It's weird.

 

Problem with Moore's take is...he took it as far as it could go (BOOM!). Once Swamp Thing is a Diety (which he pretty much was by the end of Moore's run) what else could you do with that character? But that was Moore's agenda with his DC work and with Watchmen. 

post #3192 of 3585

They should of just retired the character at that point. It's not like he is anywhere close to the A-list without Moore, and even then Moore set up the whole "he's not the first Swamp Thing" so they could of just had someone else take up the mantle instead of ruining Moore's perfect ending. The bizarre need to keep trotting out Alec Holland is weird to me, does anyone really care about him?

 

But o well now poor old Swampy can be eternal second fiddle to Constantine.

post #3193 of 3585

There was a brief 20-issue series by Brian K. Vaughan in the early 2000s, the first thing of his I remember reading, that focused on Tefe Holland. A teenage girl that doesn't remember she's the daughter of the Swamp Thing, she also has control over human flesh due to the nature of her conception (Swamp Thing possessing John Constantine, who has demon blood. Comics!).

 

I remember it being pretty good!

 

That was one of the last big DC pushes for legacy. In the 90s almost everyone, from Flash to Green Lantern to Green Arrow, got replaced and fans were for the most part okay with it. But around 2001 Kevin Smith brought Oliver Queen back, then Geoff Johns made a career out of dusting off old characters with Hawkman, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, etc.

 

Really in the 21st century I think the only legacy character that has stuck is the Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. 

post #3194 of 3585
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A teenage girl that doesn't remember she's the daughter of the Swamp Thing, she also has control over human flesh due to the nature of her conception (Swamp Thing possessing John Constantine, who has demon blood.

It's scary how much this resembles some of the fanwank Barry is throwing around the Star Wars thread.
post #3195 of 3585
That 2000's Swamp Thing was okay, but mostly saved by the supporting characters.

The New 52 series is my thing. The Animal Man series that crossed over is solid, too.
post #3196 of 3585

Yeah, poor Swamp Thing really struggled for a bit there. It's hard following up on Alan Moore, and Grant Morrison/Mark Millar did their best in the '90s but it covered a lot of the same ground. Vaughan's attempt was at least different. The follow-up series that started off with Andy Diggle writing was completely uneventful. 

 

I enjoyed Scott Snyder's warrior Swamp Thing take, but it emphasized the chosen one trope a bit too much for my taste. Jeff Lemire did something similar with New 52 Green Arrow, having Oliver be in a long line of avatars representing the bow, with others representing the sword, spear, etc. That...was a bit much.

post #3197 of 3585

I wonder if Bartman thinks I should read The Authority.

post #3198 of 3585

Steve Bartman?

 

Warren Ellis and Bryan Hitch's first 12 issues of The Authority are brilliant. With their "widescreen" storytelling they basically set the standard for 21st century superheroes.

 

Without The Authority you don't get The Ultimates, and I'm pretty sure you don't get the MCU in its current form without The Ultimates showing how Marvel characters can be viable in cinematic form.

post #3199 of 3585

Yes, but what is it?

And should I read it?

post #3200 of 3585
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Yes, but what is it?

And should I read it?


The Authority is basically the Justice League if they gave no fucks about ruffling the feathers of world leaders and didn't pull their punches. 

 

The first 12 issues are a lot better than that concept might sound. It devolves rapidly once Warren Ellis leave the book and Mark Millar takes over, almost to the point of parody.

 

So yes...read the first 12 issues.

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