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post #3201 of 3585

The Authority is the natural evolution from Watchmen. It's like if you took those characters but instead of having them be pathetic you made them hyper-competent rock stars. Consequently, instead of being like Ozymandias and secretly taking over the world, they just do it in front of everyone because no one can stop them.

 

It's strangely, in that very Warren Ellis way, simultaneously uber-cynical and idealistic.

 

So definitely read it.

 

Also it's super violent:

 

 

Also Batman and Superman are gay and a couple.

post #3202 of 3585

Planetary is maybe my favorite comic of all time, and Ellis is one of my favorite creators. I really need to get on The Authority. 

post #3203 of 3585

For my money, the Ellis renaissance was between 1997-2003. It started with Transmet and culminated with The Authority and Planetary in 1999, with the denouement being Global Frequency in 2003. His brief showrunning of the "Counter-X" initiative for X-Men in 2000 was also years ahead of its time. 

 

Obviously he's done great stuff since 2003. The Iron Man "Extremis" arc, Nextwave, and I've heard good things about his recent James Bond work. But that six-year stretch was so gamechanging, there's no way to match it. 

 

I'd argue the same thing about mainstream superhero comics in general. Starting with Grant Morrison's JLA in 1997 up through Bendis on Ultimate Spider-Man, Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker's Batman runs, and Morrison again with New X-Men. Those were the days. 

post #3204 of 3585

I remember reading that first Morrison X-Men arc shortly after it started coming out. That was something else.

 

Bort, my Wikipedia deep dive indicates there's a lot of crossover between Stormwatch and The Authority. Do I need to read the Ellis run on Stormwatch first? 

post #3205 of 3585

Stormwatch introduces most of the main cast of The Authority and a few of the major concepts, such as The Bleed (the limbo between realities) and the century babies (including Jenny Sparks and Elijah Snow from Planetary), but no, you don't need to have read it.

 

All you need to know is Stormwatch is a United Nations-sponsored team and The Authority is those guys when they decide to go rogue and do what they want. The first issue of The Authority catches you up on everything you need to know and works as essentially a soft reboot. 

 

Also think of it this way: Stormwatch was when Wildstorm as a company was still concerned with keeping a tight continuity with their former Image books. So WildCATS, Gen-13 and the like. The Authority is Ellis coming along, after DC bought Wildstorm, and doing his own thing, basically only keeping continuity between his own books, with the most crossover into Planetary. 

post #3206 of 3585

I will say Century Babies is maybe one of my favorite ideas for a recurring series of characters in comics. God, I love that. 

post #3207 of 3585

Oh yeah, it's a great way to have a character be immortal while allowing them to be retooled on occasion. 

 

Also, if you haven't read Alan Moore's run on Supreme it's one for the ages. Really, once the original Image creators realized their characters would be better handled in the hands of others, some of the best comic books of the '90s and early '00s resulted. 

post #3208 of 3585
Supreme is incredible. It's probably one of the best Superman stories ever written. Plus it foretold Hilary's future electoral issues!
post #3209 of 3585

Yep, Supreme is "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" taken to its logical conclusion. Then logic gets thrown out the window and things get super, super meta.

 

Then Moore did his take on Wonder Woman with Promethea. But whereas Supreme is pretty chaste and kid-friendly, Promethea is wall-to-wall sex and drug-induced gonzoness. 

post #3210 of 3585

I read the first trade of Promethea and that was weird, even for me. 

 

That Lovecraft/Providence/Necronomicon series has to be a low point for Moore. 

post #3211 of 3585
Lower then Harry Potter stand in obliterating people with his penis? League of Extraordinary Gentlemen must have one of the fiercest nosedives ever.
post #3212 of 3585

After a mid-career resurgence with America's Best Comics, namely Tom Strong and League of Extraordinary (and I like Promethea, but it's not for everyone), Moore lost me with Lost Girls. 

 

That shit just really skeeved me out.

post #3213 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

Planetary is maybe my favorite comic of all time, and Ellis is one of my favorite creators. I really need to get on The Authority. 


Planetary is definitely near the top of the list for me, too.

 

If you're boarding the Authority train, I'd recommend reading Ellis' run on Stormwatch, which basically sets up the Authority and its' characters.  It's a little bit tough to break into because it started late in an ongoing series, but ultimately it's not too bad (they pretty much tell you what you need to know about the characters).  It also includes the only Aliens comic-book crossover that was actual canon for the universe it took place in!

 

EDIT:  And I see I was beaten to the punch on this.  Though I'd give it a stronger recommendation than Bart, if only because Ellis' penultimate arc ("Change or Die") REALLY sets up the Authority.

post #3214 of 3585
Top Ten might be my favorite late period Moore. Still need to track down Tom Strong. I will say Moore's Black Dossier ruined Bond for me, but in a good way.
post #3215 of 3585

Hey, sure, check out Stormwatch. It's cool too. I just think Ellis really started hitting on all cylinders with The Authority. 

post #3216 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

Hey, sure, check out Stormwatch. It's cool too. I just think Ellis really started hitting on all cylinders with The Authority. 

 

The Stormwatch "Change or Die" Arc ties thematically right into the Authority. 

 

I actually liked Millar's run on The Authority, but just as Moore did with Swamp Thing, there wasn't really anywhere to go after the initial concept. 

 

Planetary stands out because not only is it the ultimate Pulp Fan Fic P0rn but it has a really neat TWIST!

post #3217 of 3585

Planetary also has the great "What if the Fantastic Four were evil?" riff going on with the villains.

post #3218 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

Planetary also has the great "What if the Fantastic Four were evil?" riff going on with the villains.

 

"We are adventurers, my crewmates and I, on the human adventure. And you can't all come along."

post #3219 of 3585
Casey Affleck says Ben is an "okay" Batman and won't play the character in a solo movie, sorry.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-affleck-not-returning-as-batman-says-brother-casey-1030107
post #3220 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

The Authority is the natural evolution from Watchmen. It's like if you took those characters but instead of having them be pathetic you made them hyper-competent rock stars. Consequently, instead of being like Ozymandias and secretly taking over the world, they just do it in front of everyone because no one can stop them.

It's strangely, in that very Warren Ellis way, simultaneously uber-cynical and idealistic.

So definitely read it.

Also it's super violent:




Also Batman and Superman are gay and a couple.

My main issue with The Authority is that the characters, while conceptually wonderful, aren't especially compelling as characters. Aside from being smart-assed and brutal, I couldn't tell you how any one of them are unique from each other. I suppose Garth Ennis used them (more specifically, Midnighter) in interesting ways with his handful of 'Kev' one-shots, but that's about it.
post #3221 of 3585

Orlando's Midnighter and Midnighter & Apollo series (along with Midnighter's guest spots in Grayson) are a lot of fun.

post #3222 of 3585
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Originally Posted by catartik View Post

Casey Affleck says Ben is an "okay" Batman and won't play the character in a solo movie, sorry.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-affleck-not-returning-as-batman-says-brother-casey-1030107

Casey Affleck talks out of his ass, reported as news.
post #3223 of 3585
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Orlando's Midnighter and Midnighter & Apollo series (along with Midnighter's guest spots in Grayson) are a lot of fun.

I haven't read superhero comics in years, so I'll have to take your word for it.
post #3224 of 3585
Midnighter was my favorite of New 52. I've said a few times on here that if they knew how to make money they'd take the low-budget Deadpool approach and make a progressive Midnighter film.
post #3225 of 3585

So, apparently Justice League Dark's director pool is down to either Daniel Espinosa (Safe House, Life, Child 44) or Gerard Johnstone (Housebound). I say give it to Johnstone because, based on Peter Jackson and what I've seen of Thor: Ragnarok, these New Zealand directors seem to level up really nicely when you take them from the indie scene and give them a lot of money.

 

Also: Is Gotham City Sirens still a thing now that David Ayer has left the project and the writer has just jumped across to Marvel's Captain Marvel?

post #3226 of 3585
I'd prefer Johnstone even thought I did like Life despite its shortcomings.
post #3227 of 3585

I'd go with Johnstone because Housebound was a lot of fun.

post #3228 of 3585
HOUSEBOUND is my favorite horror-comedy in years. And, like Jaume Collet-Serra, I could see his style match up with SUICIDE SQUAD.
post #3229 of 3585

I guess I should watch Housebound.

post #3230 of 3585
It has a comedic tone reminiscent of Ben Wheatley's SIGHTSEERS, the creepy moments land, and the lead actress nails it.
post #3231 of 3585

Uh, Martin Scorsese is producing a Joker origin movie set in a 1980s "gritty" Gotham City to be directed by Todd Phillips.

 

No. Really.

 

http://deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/

post #3232 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post

Uh, Martin Scorsese is producing a Joker origin movie set in a 1980s "gritty" Gotham City to be directed by Todd Phillips.

No. Really.

http://deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/
*Explodes in pants*
post #3233 of 3585
WAT????
post #3234 of 3585
Sounds like they're starting up an Elseworlds film imprint. I like it. If they can't get a shared universe together, might as well do something Marvel hasn't done yet: different interpretations of their characters, playing upon their more mythical/archetypal/iconic status.
post #3235 of 3585
Well, that's one way to get out of having to deal with Leto's shit.

"We need a younger actor!"
post #3236 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post

Uh, Martin Scorsese is producing a Joker origin movie set in a 1980s "gritty" Gotham City to be directed by Todd Phillips.

No. Really.

http://deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/

post #3237 of 3585
This has my interest more than any number of DC films in either near release or development.
post #3238 of 3585
At least Fox isn't intentionally trying to confuse audiences with the X-Men continuity.
post #3239 of 3585

Joe Pesci is waiting by the phone. 

post #3240 of 3585

Zero interest in this.

 

None.

 

Nada.

 

Zilch.

post #3241 of 3585
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Zero interest in this.

None.

Nada.

Zilch.
The Joker in The Dark Knight was so awesome! And part of that had to do with them eschewing the whole origin bullshit.

So let's make a movie that is nothing BUT that!

I guarantee you I know what the last 5 minutes of this movie will consist of....if it ever gets made..
post #3242 of 3585
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The Joker in The Dark Knight was so awesome! And part of that had to do with them eschewing the whole origin bullshit.

So let's make a movie that is nothing BUT that!

I guarantee you I know what the last 5 minutes of this movie will consist of....if it ever gets made..

Not even eschewing it, but really wrapping their arms around the "multiple origins" "what is real?" mystery of it all.

Each of the stories Ledger tells could be true, each one FEELS true, and each one feels like HE feels they're true.

Much more effective than just ignoring it or not talking about it. Like Batman, that mystery made the Joker more than just a man.
post #3243 of 3585

Nah, I'm out. I'm genuinely interested in Wan's Aquaman, Wonder Woman movies and Matt Reeves's Batman if he can pull it off, but the rest of the DCEU can get to fuck.

post #3244 of 3585

This just feels like WB flailing for ideas. No plan, no goal, no structure.

post #3245 of 3585

There's been like two dozen announcements that haven't amounted to anything. In the last year Suicide Squad 2, Gotham City Sirens, The Batman, Batgirl and Harley & Joker all could have featured the Joker in a prominent role. 

 

Eh, this movie never happens anyway.

post #3246 of 3585

Started reading the Authority this morning.

 

It's fun! 

post #3247 of 3585

Fun is a great way to describe The Authority. It takes the two questions that naturally arose from the '80s treating superheroes as "adult," namely why don't superheroes just take over the world and wouldn't all the collateral damage result in massive civilian casualties, and handles it with a blockbuster sensibility that only Warren Ellis can pull off and actually make hopeful. He says superheroes would take over the world and the world would be better for it, and yeah some people may die but it's for the greater good.

 

Unfortunately then 9/11 happened and Ellis's light touch was replaced by Millar's cynical schlock. And ever since treating the subject matter with maturity means condemning superheroes (Civil War, the Dark Knight trilogy, Batman v Superman). Which is just silly and shines a light on why tone is so important and why, perhaps, superheroes shouldn't be taken so seriously.

 

Because you just know any '80s-set Joker movie will somehow involve rape. Rape rape rape. 

post #3248 of 3585

Re-reading Ellis again has me realizing just how much faith he ultimately has in humanity. 

post #3249 of 3585

Global Frequency is a perfect extension of that faith in humanity. It's 12 issues of youthful energy, people doing the right thing because they can, and the power of collaboration. 

post #3250 of 3585
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Global Frequency is a perfect extension of that faith in humanity. It's 12 issues of youthful energy, people doing the right thing because they can, and the power of collaboration. 

 

Ugh I read the first collection of that series and...ugh. Tweenager posing to the Max, man!

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