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post #3401 of 3585

Seems like a strange standard. You're concerned that if Cavill starts filming a Man of Steel 2 in, let's say, the spring of 2019 when he's 35 and wraps filming when he's 36, that he'll be drastically aged and suddenly geriatric? 

post #3402 of 3585
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

As a Man Of Steel fan (it's my fave DCEU movie)

 

Hang on, hang on, HANG ON.

 

As you know, I'm a defender of and unashamed liker of MOS. I think there's a lot more right than wrong, and I really like the approach attempted. I like Cavill a lot in the role. And so on.

 

But come on. WONDER WOMAN is the better story, the better film, the better iteration of a god descending to humanity. 

 

DON'T BREAK MY HEART, SAXON!

post #3403 of 3585

Man of Steel?

Better than Wonder Woman.

 

Wonder Woman?

Good movie, bad CGI and weak villain reveal. 

post #3404 of 3585
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

 

Hang on, hang on, HANG ON.

 

As you know, I'm a defender of and unashamed liker of MOS. I think there's a lot more right than wrong, and I really like the approach attempted. I like Cavill a lot in the role. And so on.

 

But come on. WONDER WOMAN is the better story, the better film, the better iteration of a god descending to humanity. 

 

DON'T BREAK MY HEART, SAXON!

 

I was positively thrilled whilst watching Man Of Steel on the big screen. Superman is one of my favorite characters and, whilst I was baffled by some of the choices they made (I still don't really like the neck-snapping resolution), it was great to see him being.... well, super..... in a big budget movie where he wasn't just holding things up. 

 

In contrast, I wrote this around thirty minutes after leaving my screening of Wonder Woman. I'm glad people liked it but it was about on-par with Green Lantern for me: an okay time filler that, if I hadn't spent far too long on here pointing out how inconsequential most of the supporting characters were, would have faded from my memory by the end of that day. 

post #3405 of 3585
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Sure, Cavill could still be ripped as he gets near, or past, 40. But unlike Batman Supes doesn't age. I think.

Varies according to needs of plot, really, but yes, in most modern comics it's generally assumed that Superman is nigh-immortal, and even in continuities where he ages he never gets much beyond "50ish" physically within the span of a human life (The original Earth-One Superman, or Kingdom Come Superman).
post #3406 of 3585
He’ll need a helluva hairpeace though..
post #3407 of 3585
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post #3408 of 3585

You guys are thinking way too far ahead. You shoot in 2019 for a 2021 release. We're talking mid-30s Cavill, not in his 40s (like Benedict Cumberbatch, Chadwick Boseman, and Paul Rudd). 

post #3409 of 3585
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post #3410 of 3585

They can at least try to go out on a high note for Cavill's Superman. Give his last movie to directors and writers who, you know, actually care about Superman and aren't ashamed of the character is a no brainer. Also let Matt Reeves do whatever the hell he wants so Affleck can have a final good Batman movie too. And so he can stop looking so despondent. 

post #3411 of 3585

Affleck's done. He's not doing anymore Batman.

post #3412 of 3585
Bring on a live-action KILLING JOE starting Jon Hamm as Batman, and Crispin Glover as The Joker.

Written and directed by me.
post #3413 of 3585

So anyways, I think of Superman in Justice League as like Spock in Star Trek III. Death has kind of enlightened him and left him as a bit of a clean slate.

 

So any Man of Steel sequel needs to be like Voyage Home. Everything's fine on the surface, he's happy and his old self again, but there's something a bit off. Basically the equivalent of Spock being asked, "How do you feel?" The rest of his arc can be finding an equilibrium and dealing with the fact that he, you know, died, and end with something along the lines of, "Tell her...I feel fine."

post #3414 of 3585

I can think of few things I want less than a KILLING JOKE adaptation.

 

How about a fun Batman for once? 

post #3415 of 3585

I don't want a "fun" Batman but I would like one where he realizes he really likes being Batman and isn't looking for a way to stop.

post #3416 of 3585

The Killing Joke is better if they kiss at the end, like I argued in The Dark Knight thread. 

post #3417 of 3585

...but I'm also with Boone. I really, really don't want a KILLING JOKE film.

post #3418 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

The Killing Joke is better if they kiss at the end, like I argued in The Dark Knight thread. 

 

It'd be more shocking and unexpected. Novel, even, and giving a different angle on what drives both men. But why would it be better? Better than, say, the other theory in which Batman kills the Joker?

post #3419 of 3585

Alan Moore's right when he basically says KILLING JOKE was responsible for 30 odd years of grim and grit. 

post #3420 of 3585

I think he and Miller shoulder the responsibility for that pretty equally.

post #3421 of 3585

The Killing Joke is a bad Batman story. He does zero detecting, zero punching and zero superheroing. He is literally invited to the carnival at the end by the Joker. 

 

It's also a bad Joker story because it gives him the most mundane and cliche background (sadsack standup comic with a pregnant wife that dies, really?). The Dark Knight does his hypothetical background(s) much better.

 

It's a bad Batgirl story for A MILLION REASONS.

 

It is, however, a great metatextual story on Batman comics in general. And a great queer story if you consider it a romance capped with a kiss.

 

;)

post #3422 of 3585

I was just talking to my wife about this after Thor.

 

My favorite aspect of Bamman is the WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE stuff. Let me see how smart this motherfucker is.

 

You can start with casting an actor who can convey that level of intelligence. IDK who. 

post #3423 of 3585
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

 

It'd be more shocking and unexpected. Novel, even, and giving a different angle on what drives both men. But why would it be better? Better than, say, the other theory in which Batman kills the Joker?

Because READ THE DAMN ARTICLE I POSTED IN THE DARK KNIGHT THREAD.

post #3424 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

My favorite aspect of Bamman

 

I'm not sure if this is deliberate or not, but I like Powman too. 

post #3425 of 3585

I feel like "Bamman" is one of those CHUD/Noojism like "Clom" or "Marbel Cinnamon." 

post #3426 of 3585
The best DCEU films in order:

Man of Steel
Wonder Woman: The First First Avenger
Green Lantern
Batman v Superman
Catwoman
Justice League
Elektra
Suicide Squad
post #3427 of 3585
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Originally Posted by catartik View Post

The best DCEU films in order:

Man of Steel
Wonder Woman: The First First Avenger
Green Lantern
Batman v Superman
Catwoman
Justice League
Elektra
Suicide Squad

Switch Catwoman and Elektra and we match.

post #3428 of 3585
KISS!

Mwa Ah!
post #3429 of 3585
I considered calling Suicide Squad "Pooicide Squat" but felt it was too much.
post #3430 of 3585
Jennifer Garner as Elektra..... wtf were they thinking???
post #3431 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Call Me Roy View Post

Jennifer Garner as Elektra..... wtf were they thinking???

That she was a physically-capable and suitably attractive up-and-comer with something of a built-in fanbase due to Alias?

 

I know it was a while ago, but Garner was one of the biggest stars on TV for a minute.

post #3432 of 3585

I like how, in Daredevil, Garner's Elektra says like one line in Greek.

post #3433 of 3585

Isn't...isn't Elektra a Marvel character? 

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post #3435 of 3585

Elodie Yung was in the final three for Wonder Woman in BvS. Coulda been good.

post #3436 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Call Me Roy View Post

Jennifer Garner as Elektra..... wtf were they thinking???

Hey if not for that movie Jennifer and Ben wouldn't have gotten together. And then there would we be? The world would be a far darker place.

post #3437 of 3585
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

I don't want a "fun" Batman but I would like one where he realizes he really likes being Batman and isn't looking for a way to stop.

I want one where he throws a bomb at a clown and smirks as he blows up while walking away.

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post #3439 of 3585
I really like Wonder Woman. Fun movie. Right up my alley. But I can't call it better than Man of Steel. Flawed as it is....it's the bigger badder more memorable and more ambitious film..
post #3440 of 3585

Wonder Woman has some really bad, weightless CGI.

 

Also the first act is lit like a CW series.

 

If Man of Steel has anything, it's a sense of visceral power. The punches land hard, there's a brutal sense of physics, and the sound design is topnotch. 

post #3441 of 3585

Purely subjective, of course, but Man Of Steel's score rocks my world in a way Wonder Woman's never can. "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World" might be my favorite piece of music for a superhero movie in decades. 

post #3442 of 3585

The Krypton stuff buys Man of Steel so much good will for me. It's like Snyder looked at 300 and said "You know, maybe I'm not ripping Tarsem off enough."

post #3443 of 3585
I wish I knew what y'all mean when y'all say "bad CGI." CGI doesn't have to look "REAL" to me to look good. It can look not real but still really cool. As long as it doesn't look cheap. There's tons of non photo realistic effects in many movies that still look elaborate and cool..
post #3444 of 3585

Fraid is bad CGI.

post #3445 of 3585
:'(
post #3446 of 3585
Kidding, you’re photorealistic.
post #3447 of 3585

I do really, really like MOS but I give Wonder Woman the edge not least because I think it holds together much better thematically. MOS has some conflicts with itself and they're not resolved by movie's end. And WW gives us something new, especially in the DCEU.

 

MOS is definitely the superior film re: technical aspects, though.

post #3448 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post

That she was a physically-capable and suitably attractive up-and-comer with something of a built-in fanbase due to Alias?

I know it was a while ago, but Garner was one of the biggest stars on TV for a minute.

Presumably the makers of Elektra never saw Daredevil... her performance in that was more or less the reasoning for my “wtf” statement.

Also, a Greek assassin being played by a light brunette from so-Cal is just KINDA funny.
post #3449 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Kidding, you’re photorealistic.
So it’s decided; we’re remaking Ex Machina with CGI/uncanny valley instead of AI/Turing test with Fraid as Ava, Bart in the Domnall Gleason role, and Henry Cavill’s digital upper lip as the failed prior attempts.
post #3450 of 3585
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Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt View Post

I want one where he throws a bomb at a clown and smirks as he blows up while walking away.

Keaton put dynamite in a clowns pants and smirks just before he blows up then walks away.... and it was great!!

I agree, more of that.
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