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Yesterday at Comic-Con Experience 2017 in Brazil, WB laid out the upcoming slate of DC movies.

 

They are:

 

Aquaman (December 21, 2018)

Shazam (April 5, 2019)

Wonder Woman II (November 1, 2019)

Cyborg (2020)

Green Lantern Corps (2020)

 

Flashpoint (TBD)

Justice League Dark (TBD)

Suicide Squad 2 (TBD)

Batgirl (TBD)

 

The Batman (TBD) 

No Harley Quinn solo movie, no Gotham City Sirens, no stupid sounding Joker spin-offs. 

With them going forward on Flashpoint I'm guessing those who proposed it would be a soft reboot would probably be right. Also, dollars to donuts we're getting a recast Batman before the solo movie. 
 

 

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Only one movie in 2018?

 

They're taking their time about it.

The original original slate announced back in 2014 had a Flash movie coming out in 2018.

 

According to this report, Cyborg was left off the slate: https://www.cbr.com/dceu-updated-movie-slate/

 

This is the same list of movies they announced at San Diego Comic-Con back in July (which itself was a rejiggering of the original 2014 announcement). 

 

I'm gonna say Suicide Squad 2 and Flashpoint come out in 2020, with the latter not being the continuity rejiggering everyone keeps claiming it will be. Green Lantern Corps and Batgirl never happen. 2021 is Justice League Dark, because WB has been mulling over that for years, and will function as a pseudo-sequel to Justice League, with the superheroes being saved by the paranormal types. And also Wonder Woman 3 in 2021. Maybe Aquaman 2 in 2022, or maybe those two are reversed? 

 

I honestly think most of these movies don't happen, including The Batman. But a Batman movie is inevitable, just not directed by Matt Reeves. 

post #3552 of 3698

I still can't believe we're getting a Shazam movie. At least when Marvel choose one of their lesser known characters, like Doctor Strange or The Guardians Of The Galaxy, they bring something completely new to the MCU. What does Shazam bring, other than The Rock? 

post #3553 of 3698

If you look back at the original 2014 slate, Shazam! is supposed to be this victory lap after DC has been dominating for years. It was supposed to be accompanied by Justice League 2 in 2019.

 

Now it's looking like this big bad decision.

post #3554 of 3698

The only upcoming title I'm interested in is Justice League Dark because the recent animated movie, whilst not exactly flawless (it really didn't need Batman in there), convinced me that it could be a great live action property in the right hands. Of course, that last part is really important. We all saw what happens when you give a property like Suicide Squad to someone like David Ayer. 

post #3555 of 3698

Justice League Dark could be great. Constantine, the Demon, Swamp Thing, Zatanna and Deadman weirding up the screen, I'm in. And how about with going along with my idea to have it be the unofficial JL sequel, have Wonder Woman be teamed with them (instead of Batman like in the cartoon). She's already a bit magical. 

post #3556 of 3698
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I still can't believe we're getting a Shazam movie. At least when Marvel choose one of their lesser known characters, like Doctor Strange or The Guardians Of The Galaxy, they bring something completely new to the MCU. What does Shazam bring, other than The Rock? 

 

Shazam brings that wide-eyed innocence of youth to the party. The fact that he's literally a kid in a superhero's body is exactly why I like the character. That and the smoothly dressed up-right walking and talking pimp tigers.

 

Also, I'm gonna disagree with Bart in that I think Batgirl is totally happening. That hunger for female superheroes that Wonder Woman profited from is still there. And Marvel is still sleeping on that front with Captain Marvel and ONLY Captain Marvel on hand. Green Lantern Corps I also still see happening because that's how WB thinks they'll probably tap into that Guardians/Star Wars market. And if you include John Stewart and Jessica Cruz you have a fairly diverse and interesting team to explore the space side of DC.

 

So yeah, I think ALL those will definitely happen. Something that's been discussed before is that WB is probably not as worried as a lot of people believe they are. Yeah, Justice League isn't doing THAT great but this year they had massively insane hits like Wonder Woman, IT and Dunkirk so that soothes the financial blow for them. Hence why this slate hasn't been massively restructured.

 

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Justice League Dark could be great. Constantine, the Demon, Swamp Thing, Zatanna and Deadman weirding up the screen, I'm in. And how about with going along with my idea to have it be the unofficial JL sequel, have Wonder Woman be teamed with them (instead of Batman like in the cartoon). She's already a bit magical. 

 

I heartily approve of this. Heartily, I say! 

post #3557 of 3698
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Justice League Dark could be great. Constantine, the Demon, Swamp Thing, Zatanna and Deadman weirding up the screen, I'm in. And how about with going along with my idea to have it be the unofficial JL sequel, have Wonder Woman be teamed with them (instead of Batman like in the cartoon). She's already a bit magical. 

 

This is good. 

 

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Shazam brings that wide-eyed innocence of youth to the party. The fact that he's literally a kid in a superhero's body is exactly why I like the character. That and the smoothly dressed up-right walking and talking pimp tigers.

 

 

I dunno. Doctor Strange brought magic to the MCU. Guardians Of The Galaxy brought aliens and space stuff to the MCU. Aside from his personality, it just feels like Shazam is another movie about a white guy flying around with a cape who has super strength. I'm not seeing anything special that he particularly brings to the DCEU that isn't there already.

 

What's the deal with the tigers?

post #3558 of 3698

Well he brings a more positive and optimistic viewpoint. Which isn't that something people have been wanting these movies to have?

 

Also, Marvel doesn't have THIS:

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Codename View Post
 

Yesterday at Comic-Con Experience 2017 in Brazil, WB laid out the upcoming slate of DC movies.

 

They are:

 

Aquaman (December 21, 2018)

Shazam (April 5, 2019)

Wonder Woman II (November 1, 2019)

Cyborg (2020)

Green Lantern Corps (2020)

 

Flashpoint (TBD)

Justice League Dark (TBD)

Suicide Squad 2 (TBD)

Batgirl (TBD)

 

The Batman (TBD) 

No Harley Quinn solo movie, no Gotham City Sirens, no stupid sounding Joker spin-offs. 

With them going forward on Flashpoint I'm guessing those who proposed it would be a soft reboot would probably be right. Also, dollars to donuts we're getting a recast Batman before the solo movie. 
 

That makes me tired to look at.  Just fucking shoot me now.

post #3560 of 3698
Marvel Studios had to use B-listers out of necessity.

WB has to use B-Listers because they can’t get anyone to like Superman or Batman.
post #3561 of 3698

I could see Batgirl happening instead of The Batman. And maybe Green Lantern Corps happens. 

 

But I have my doubts.

post #3562 of 3698

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What does Shazam bring, other than The Rock? 

 

Hope. 

post #3563 of 3698
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

The only upcoming title I'm interested in is Justice League Dark because the recent animated movie, whilst not exactly flawless (it really didn't need Batman in there), convinced me that it could be a great live action property in the right hands. Of course, that last part is really important. We all saw what happens when you give a property like Suicide Squad to someone like David Ayer. 

 

Wasn't that a surprisingly good animated film?

 

It amazes me that DC Animated can consistently churn out, on a fraction of the budget, well-adapted comic book properties while their live action cohorts often struggle.

post #3564 of 3698

Would sell all of your souls and that entire slate for a SANDMAN adaptation with Tom Hiddleston as Dream. 

post #3565 of 3698

TOO OLD

 

Boone, how do we feel now, several decades after the fact, about Desire as enby but evil? Gaiman is certainly not transphobic (Wanda from "A Game of You" was way ahead of her time in terms of representation), but since Desire is roundaboutly the main villain of the entire Sandman saga I despair (hiyo!) to think about the hot takes if any legitimate movie series/TV show materialized. 

post #3566 of 3698
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TOO OLD

 

Look at him in that suit during the New York/Strange stuff in THOR RAGNAROK and tell me different. 
 

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 Boone, how do we feel now, several decades after the fact, about Desire as enby but evil? Gaiman is certainly not transphobic (Wanda from "A Game of You" was way ahead of her time in terms of representation), but since Desire is roundaboutly the main villain of the entire Sandman saga I despair (hiyo!) to think about the hot takes if any legitimate movie series/TV show materialized. 

 

I honestly didn't make it until the end of Sandman, but I think if they legitimately adapted or updated it, they'd definitely want to revisit some of that. I think a lot of it comes from the time in which it was written - not necessarily "Britain in the 80s," but Gaiman has (I think) talked about how he was this somewhat reserved, shy, closed-off person when he was working on it, and the idea of desire as a villain played into that (see also: Scientology).

 

My own personal hot take is that you don't get married to and have a kid with Amanda Palmer (who I mean, has to play Desire, right? I mean, right?) without working through at least some that stuff, and while calling your latest book "Trigger Warning" is kind of an asshole thing to do, Gaiman has seemed to be pretty open to reconsidering his work within a modern context.

 

The problem I have with any Sandman adaptation is that - like Hellblazer - it feels so intimately tied to that time and place that I have a hard time seeing it set in, say, 2000.

post #3567 of 3698

I just waver back and forth between his incredibly sensitive portrayal of Wanda (just look at this goddamn page, the most perfect page in comic history)

 

 

And the lesbian couple Hazel and Foxglove, and portrayals like Desire. An argument could also be made for Delight/Delirium fetishizing mental illness.

 

Ugh, stuff that seemed so progressive to young Bart, just because these outer fringes were being acknowledged at all, now seem incredibly quaint and, gasp, PROBLEMATIC.

post #3568 of 3698

Let's not forget the whole "kill your gays" thing in 24 HOURS (*shudder, vomit*). And I think Desire/Delirium is less about fetishizing mental illness than it is fetishizing Tori Amos fans. 

 

There's a fair bit in SANDMAN that could do with a reconsideration if they update it. But I think the architecture is there for a decent series if they want to take a whack at it. The problem is, you'd need to put up WESTWORLD money for a first season and it's a big gamble. 

 

Which is why I say they should use minimal CGI and go for a combination of practical effects and CGI. I was reading a book recently that had a whole chapter on the failed attempts to bring it to screen. Apparently the Dreamrealm itself was supposed to look like a Dave McKean work come to life. I still think Henson should do as much of the effects work as possible. 

post #3569 of 3698

Mirrormask is a good argument for Dave McKean straight-up directing a Sandman movie. 

 

But yeah, a strict adaptation of the series starting with the first volume would just be too much. Not just dreams but Morpheus ventures down into hell for a duel. 

 

The second volume, about a serial killer convention, could be a good intro.

 

I could see a pretty straightforward trilogy out of Morpheus being captured, escaping, getting his power back, searching for his brother Destruction, then being forced to kill Orpheus, thus inviting the wrath of the Furies, all orchestrated by Desire. That's pretty much the throughline of the series.

 

But the poetry lies in the side stories, something that could only be realized in a seven-season-long TV series.

post #3570 of 3698

I think the Elliot Rossio script did a pretty decent job of combining the storylines of the first couple trades into something that could work as a series. They kept all the "capture and escape" stuff with fake Alistair Crowley, even had Dream go to hell, but the villain was the Cornithian* instead of Doctor Dee. They kept the serial killer stuff but left out GK Chesterton. It was surprisingly good for 120 pages.

 

But yeah, the joy of Sandman is in those side stories and detours that you'd want to incorporate into a TV series. Shout out "Men of Good Fortune," one of the best pieces of speculative fiction ever written. (oh and Midsummer's Nights Dream, of course). 

 

This is also why I want a PLANETARY series. (which also creates its own elaborate mythology loosely based on our own.)

 

*There's a great scene where the Corinthian talks to David Berkowitz. 

post #3571 of 3698

Hey yeah, that totally works! Especially since you'd want to cut out any reference to other DC characters, Doctor Destiny is out. And yeah, tracking down the rogue dreams in volume two is vital, especially since it sets up Daniel for later. 

 

Basically the main conflicts are Morpheus needs to get his power back, restore the dreaming to proper working order, then deal with the whole killing his own kin thing. 

 

The rivalry with Lucifer and Lucifer abdicating Hell to Morpheus is optional. It reinforces this theme that Morpheus could at any point just quit but doesn't (he also could ask his siblings for help but struggles with that) out of duty, but that's already done with Destruction. 

post #3572 of 3698
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Justice League Dark could be great. Constantine, the Demon, Swamp Thing, Zatanna and Deadman weirding up the screen, I'm in. And how about with going along with my idea to have it be the unofficial JL sequel, have Wonder Woman be teamed with them (instead of Batman like in the cartoon). She's already a bit magical. 

 

Love the characters, but how do they avoid the same problems Justice League and Suicide Squad ran into: jumping over stand alone movies and expecting the audience to just go along? Obviously there are plenty of stand alone team up movies. But all these characters have a long history to draw from. Putting them in a one and done movie (which you know is what would happen) seems like a waste.

 

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I still can't believe we're getting a Shazam movie. At least when Marvel choose one of their lesser known characters, like Doctor Strange or The Guardians Of The Galaxy, they bring something completely new to the MCU. What does Shazam bring, other than The Rock? 

 

The Rock is sort of playing the same scenario in the new Junanji movie and it's supposed to be great. Of course, in Shazam he'd be playing Black Adam.

 

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Would sell all of your souls and that entire slate for a SANDMAN adaptation with Tom Hiddleston as Dream. 

I would definetly sell your soul for a Sandman movie (better: an HBO Series) with Tom Hiddleston as Dream

post #3573 of 3698
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Love the characters, but how do they avoid the same problems Justice League and Suicide Squad ran into: jumping over stand alone movies and expecting the audience to just go along? Obviously there are plenty of stand alone team up movies. But all these characters have a long history to draw from. Putting them in a one and done movie (which you know is what would happen) seems like a waste.

Wonder Woman 2, Flashpoint and Suicide Squad 2 can introduce them as side characters?

post #3574 of 3698
Why do characters need their own movie? Just fucking watch the movie they are in.
post #3575 of 3698

I agree with Munson for the most part. My problem with Justice League wasn't that Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg were new characters, it's how much time was spent recruiting them. Why not just start off with them already as a team, with one new character as an audience surrogate?

 

Worked for the original X-Men, and that was only 90 minutes long. 

post #3576 of 3698
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I agree with Munson for the most part. My problem with Justice League wasn't that Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg were new characters, it's how much time was spent recruiting them. Why not just start off with them already as a team, with one new character as an audience surrogate?

 

Worked for the original X-Men, and that was only 90 minutes long. 

 

True, but the X-Men were always a team. 

 

Swamp Thing, Constantine et al had their own comics and guest starred in comics for decades. Why ignore all that backstory?

 

I'd prefer a more "adult" CW approach, where Swamp Thing and Constantine get an HBO style series, with the other characters making appearances, leading up to a major Crossover event. 


There: it's in your mind and you can't get it out!

post #3577 of 3698

Ideal Justice League Dark buildup movie:

 

Swamp Thing

Swamp Thing 2 introduces Constantine

Constantine gets his own movie co-starring Zatanna, cameos by Jason Blood and Boston Brand.

Zatanna movie with full-on the Demon and Deadman sideplots, her being trained by Zatara. 

Justice League Dark adapts the Swamp Thing storyline about the "Great Darkness", and has cameos by Tim Hunter and Morpheus

Books of Magic

Sandman

 

Unnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'll be in my bunk.

post #3578 of 3698
I hope JL Dark doesn't happen because if they fuck up the magic characters that's it for them. Batman and Superman will always get movies but Zatanna only gets one shot. And JL Dark always throws Swamp Thing under the bus so fuck that.

If they wanted to go crazy they should drop Supes, Bats, Flash and Cyborg, play up Aquabro and WW's magicness. Keep going with Shazam and pick 1 or 2 other magic bums. It's the Thematically Different Then Marvel League...of America.
post #3579 of 3698
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Ideal Justice League Dark buildup movie:

 

Swamp Thing

Swamp Thing 2 introduces Constantine

Constantine gets his own movie co-starring Zatanna, cameos by Jason Blood and Boston Brand.

Zatanna movie with full-on the Demon and Deadman sideplots, her being trained by Zatara. 

Justice League Dark adapts the Swamp Thing storyline about the "Great Darkness", and has cameos by Tim Hunter and Morpheus

Books of Magic

Sandman

 

Unnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'll be in my bunk.

 

post #3580 of 3698
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... (just look at this goddamn page, the most perfect page in comic history) ...

 

Could you perhaps explain more why in your opinion this is the greatest comic book page in history? 

post #3581 of 3698

Because it's both poignant and mysterious. It's also one of the final pages of "A Game of You", so if you haven't read it then it's completely out of context.

 

Bear in mind my favorite graphic novel of all time is Alison Bechdel's Fun Home. 

post #3582 of 3698

Fair 'nuff.  

post #3583 of 3698
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Bear in mind my favorite graphic novel of all time is Alison Bechdel's Fun Home. 

 

Fun Home? 

 

The best.

 

Fun Home: The Musical?

 

So good.

 

Are You My Mother?

 

It's fine. 

post #3584 of 3698

Dykes to Watch Out For?

I cried when the cat died.

post #3585 of 3698
I enjoyed both Bechdel siblings’ work for decades without realizing they were related.
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post #3587 of 3698

That list......yeaahh.

 

Aquaman's a done deal, obviously.

 

But for the rest?

 

Only WoWoII gets made. MAYBE Batgirl, and/or MAYBE Suicide Squad 2.

 

I am deeply bummed that Cavill's been fucked by WB. I really, really like him in the role. 

 

My reaction was much like Freeman's: weary dislike. My thoughts on how badly WB has handled all of this remains:

 

post #3588 of 3698

Things have been a little quiet lately, is the weird thing. That's why I'm perplexed that Affleck keeps daydreaming about Batman in interviews. I figured he'd be long gone by now. 

 

But yeah, it's a year until Aquaman. WB/DC could regroup and come up with a reinvigorated gameplan.

 

But likely we just get WW2 and Suicide Squad 2, and maybe a few others. Then it dies a bitter death.

post #3589 of 3698

It just is so baffling that we're almost ten years into the MCU and WB acts as if there's no successful template for creating a shared cinematic universe. I don't mean slavish imitation, but even from a business operations POV....you'd think maybe they'd poach a few key folks and would've come up with a more sensical release and arc plan than they completely haphazard approach they seem to have.

 

On top of which their release schedule, which is pure fantasy,  benches two of their three most recognized characters.

 

Seriously, WB. How do you fuck this up?

post #3590 of 3698
They fucked up by trying too hard to play catch up. If they'd sucked it up and started playing the long game they'd be sittin pretty right now instead of in the shape they're in now..
post #3591 of 3698

It's kind of interesting to see the other side of having a shared universe. Marvel's had pretty much constant success and so we've only seen the positive aspects of linking several movies together, and so DC acts as a reminder of the inherent dangers that come with doing so (and therefby makes Marvel's success even more impressive). Marvel movies with lesser known characters like Ant Man and Doctor Strange received a boost because they took place in a universe filled with characters that the audience is familiar with, and it's a universe they already like. The same is true with Star Wars, of course, and why it's the only other franchise that has managed to pull off a shared universe with Rogue One. As painful as it is to watch, these DC movies are answering the question "What if your new movie existed in a shared universe that a lot of people didn't like?" 

 

We've gone through the problems of the DCU multiple times on these boards but I'd say the main issue is ultimately rooted in its characters. When I was a ten year old, I had two favorite superheroes: Spider-Man and Superman (by the time I'd reached my late teens, this list included Wolverine and The Punisher but that's because I was real angsty, man). My love for Spider-Man was born primarily through the animated shows, and my love of Superman was thanks to Christopher Reeve's portrayal. My favorite superheroes now? Captain America, Iron Man and Spider-Man. Hell, I'd even own up to having an affection for The Vision if you pushed me. The reason for that is due to Marvel doing a great job at introducing those characters and making them resonate with me on film. They didn't decide to be clever and introduce a different interpretation of Spider-Man where he was continually told "Fuck responsibility! If you get power, do whatever you want with it!" and which ended with him being forced to snap Doctor Octopus' neck, or a bitter asshole version of Captain America who spent the majority of his introduction trying to kill off Iron Man. They stuck to what was largely successful in the comics and, thanks to that (and great casting), they gave us likeable characters that we'd want to follow. The fact that they all live in the same world is secondary. I like Captain America, and I like Iron Man, and I like Spider-Man. Oh, they're going to meet up? That's an added bonus. 

 

I'm not overly familiar with Wonder Woman but, from what I've read, her movie is a fairly faithful adaption of that character. She's tough, she's intelligent, she's inherently good, and all of the things which made her a success in the comics, made her a success on the big screen. She was translated from one medium to the other in the way that Marvel would have done, and it paid off. I'm not sure why it took DC three movies to do that but it's probably too late now. One of my co-workers had a birthday party for their eight year old son recently and she was showing us pictures of it on her phone. All of the kids turned up in superhero costumes and, you know what? There was one Batman and all of the others were dressed as Marvel characters (three Iron Mans, in case you were wondering). I think that says it all about how DCU's characters are being received and why that shared universe is failing.


Edited by MrSaxon - 12/22/17 at 6:18am
post #3592 of 3698
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It just is so baffling that we're almost ten years into the MCU and WB acts as if there's no successful template for creating a shared cinematic universe. I don't mean slavish imitation, but even from a business operations POV....you'd think maybe they'd poach a few key folks and would've come up with a more sensical release and arc plan than they completely haphazard approach they seem to have.

 

I think that was the idea in hiring Whedon.  But the circumstances under which he had to step into JL were far from ideal.

post #3593 of 3698

I do think DC's character roster presents more problems than Marvel's. That's a legit issue, but it's one that also challenges the need or ability to even create the DCEU.

 

They could've very easily aimed at a World's Finest/Trinity Team up film by doing at least one more solo Supes movie, one or two WW flicks, and a soft reboot of Batman. Bart & others have fanficed some workable ideas.

 

The rush to "catch up" (i.e., the unrealistic dick measuring of expecting every DC film to make a billion dollars*) has deeply harmed them as well as their weird blindness to the MCU's success in having one person who's the navigator of the franchise(s). And again, both of these seem eminently avoidable if they had actually looked at what Marvel did instead of just wanting to count money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*I'd argue that TDK's then-unprecedented success is its most harmful (though unintended) legacy: WB now uses that as the measure of success for every superhero film it makes, which increases the pressure and means more suits involved, etc. etc.

post #3594 of 3698
Warner Bros.'s approach is antithetical to Marvel's. Remember, the studio made its money in the past by hiring auteur filmmakers (and Joel Schumacher) with very specific visions for these characters in wholly unique universes that didn't really allow for crossovers.

Marvel, however, is less filmmaker-driven and more concerned with creating a cohesive universe of films. They've relaxed a bit after the bad press over Edgar Wright and given their directors more creative freedom, which has proven to work for them rather than against them.

Still, I remember reading an interview with Jon Favreau where he expressed his bewilderment at the notion of Iron Man and Thor co-existing in the same universe. And that was less than 10 years ago.

WB tried to split the difference and remain filmmaker-focused while building out a larger universe. They bet big on Snyder, and the messageboards have collectively ragepuked over the decision, since everyone was all traumatized by MoS four years ago.

I still like the DC movies, with the exception of Suicide Squad. I know they could've done things differently, more closely emulated Marvel's playbook. But had they done so, they'd just be criticized for directly ripping them off instead of half-assedly ripping them off.
post #3595 of 3698

On paper, Snyder is still a great match for a superhero film.  He just shouldn't be writing it.

post #3596 of 3698

Brad's post is 1000% more coherent than WB's approach.

 

I mean, on the surface, yes, you're right....with Justice League being the outlier. Because that was very much obviously meant to be the DCEU's parallel to the first Avengers movie. Except that it had done next to none of the groundwork and two of the three films leading up to it had mixed reactions, at best, from critics and audiences. 

 

It's one thing to put a director's style over the house style. It's another to clearly have no fucking plan AND not give audiences and the films time to find their footing.

 

I know that Marvel was winging it more than we think, especially in Phase 1. But they also didn't demand each film gross 700 million+ worldwide to be successes or continue the series. Most importantly, until Marvel was bought by Disney, they didn't have to answer to people who knew fuckall about the characters and worlds they were depicting. And even now I'm guessing they have a lot of autonomy/latitude and will continue to as long as they manage budgets and make hits.

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On paper, Snyder is still a great match for a superhero film.  He just shouldn't be writing it.

 

Agreed. One or two large missteps not withstanding, I think Man of Steel works (SHUT UP IT DOES) so well thanks to Nolan's influence and counter to Snyder's and Goyer's tendencies.

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Agreed. One or two large missteps not withstanding, I think Man of Steel works (SHUT UP IT DOES) so well thanks to Nolan's influence and counter to Snyder's and Goyer's tendencies.

(Weary sigh)

post #3599 of 3698

I SAID SHUT UP FREEMAN

post #3600 of 3698

Man of Steel?

Pretty good.

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