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post #3601 of 3702
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Agreed. One or two large missteps not withstanding, I think Man of Steel works (SHUT UP IT DOES) so well thanks to Nolan's influence and counter to Snyder's and Goyer's tendencies.

 

I don't know how to quantify Nolan's influence on it, but MOS at least looks like a million bucks.  Trouble is, Snyder is a helluva stylist and not much of a storyteller.

post #3602 of 3702
Bottom line....if WB wants this to work, they're going to have to COMMIT to it and stop treating every damn movie as a reason to keep saying "welp...back to the ol' drawin board!" They're gonna have to just accept the reception of each film and really plow forward with a destination in mind..
post #3603 of 3702
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

 

Agreed. One or two large missteps not withstanding, I think Man of Steel works (SHUT UP IT DOES) so well thanks to Nolan's influence and counter to Snyder's and Goyer's tendencies.

 

I don't know how to quantify Nolan's influence on it, but MOS at least looks like a million bucks.  Trouble is, Snyder is a helluva stylist and not much of a storyteller.

 

From what I understand, framing it as a first contact story was Nolan's idea. And I've seen video clips of him working with Snyder either on the score and/or in the editing room. I doubt very much Nolan did a lot overt guidance but was a hands-on producer in terms of approving or suggesting what to do and what not. We know straight from Goyer that Nolan was opposed to Supes killing Zod, for instance, and only reluctantly agreed when petitioned by Goyer and Snyder.

post #3604 of 3702
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Bottom line....if WB wants this to work, they're going to have to COMMIT to it and stop treating every damn movie as a reason to keep saying "welp...back to the ol' drawin board!" They're gonna have to just accept the reception of each film and really plow forward with a destination in mind..

"Hmm, this movie that was supposed to make a billion dollars made less than a billion dollars. Welp, let's not tweak anything and keep making them like this. We'll get that billion dollars sooner or later!"

Woof, you guys. Woof.
post #3605 of 3702

The first problem being WB requiring or expecting every superhero film they release to make a billion.

post #3606 of 3702
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"Hmm, this movie that was supposed to make a billion dollars made less than a billion dollars. Welp, let's not tweak anything and keep making them like this. We'll get that billion dollars sooner or later!"

Woof, you guys. Woof.
Yeah it's stupid and sucks..
post #3607 of 3702
I don't get the hesitation to make a Suicide Squad sequel. It made money, why not make more money?
post #3608 of 3702
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"Hmm, this movie that was supposed to make a billion dollars made less than a billion dollars. Welp, let's not tweak anything and keep making them like this. We'll get that billion dollars sooner or later!"

Woof, you guys. Woof.

 

With Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, I don't see how they could have anything BUT that expectation. 

post #3609 of 3702
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I don't get the hesitation to make a Suicide Squad sequel. It made money, why not make more money?

They're doing me a favor for sticking by them.
post #3610 of 3702
With Justice League underperforming, I think it would benefit DC if they did smaller stories. Take a character like the Question and do a gumshoe thriller. It would help differentiate their output from Marvel as well.
post #3611 of 3702

Just make good films and DC will be just fine.

 

It's possible they have paid for the sins of BvS and MoS already. 

post #3612 of 3702
WB Executive: Good...films?
post #3613 of 3702
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WB Executive: Good...films?

 

...you may have a point. 

 

Although it's two in a row for me!

post #3614 of 3702

 

Where's the blond highlights?

 

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 Justice League only dipped into the expansive undersea potential for Jason Momoa’s superhero, and director James Wan follows the epic ensemble with a solo film where Arthur Curry is caught between the surface and the watery kingdom of Atlantis. “He doesn’t quite fit in, but as the story progresses, he realizes he’s the best of both worlds,” says the filmmaker. “Circumstances allow him to grow as a human being and then realize the bigger picture of it all and what it means to have these abilities.” Designing Atlantis has given Wan a chance to “make something that is from our planet but at the same time, it’s a visual we’re not familiar with,” and he's also unleashing some seriously bad guys. Chief among them: Aquaman's archvillain Black Manta (Yahya Abdul-Mateen II), whose antagonism “is very primal, that classic revenge story,” Wan adds. “I love the simplicity of that human drive.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/12/28/10-most-must-see-films-2018-new-fantastic-beasts-mary-poppins/983389001/

post #3615 of 3702
Grow as a human being? Human drive? That’s the problem with these DC characters, aside from The Batman and The Barry - they aren’t human.
post #3616 of 3702

Another shakeup at Warners. Is this going to change anything?

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/warner-bros-shakeup-toby-emmerich-sue-kroll-1202658430/

post #3617 of 3702
Guess this is really happening for some reason: https://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-sets-shazam-release-date/
post #3618 of 3702

"I can't wait for that Shazam movie!" said nobody ever. 

post #3619 of 3702

What's wrong with a Shazam movie, as opposed to a dozen other comic book films?  

 

Billy Batson is one of the few comic characters to truly exist as both a human and superhuman archetype (rather than one pretending to be the other).  Seems like something interesting could be done there.  

 

Plus, think of a "child-turned-into-adult" comedic tone similar to Jumanji  Could be fun.  

post #3620 of 3702

In the right hands, a Shazam movie would be pretty fantastic. There's a reason it was the most popular comic of the Golden Age, even outselling Superman at its height. I am not convinced these are the right hands. You need someone with a lot of imagination and heart guiding the ship on this one.

post #3621 of 3702

What's a meaningful difference between Shazam or WTF the character's actual name is and Superman? Weakness to Kryptonite aside, aren't they basically the same thing?

post #3622 of 3702
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What's a meaningful difference between Shazam or WTF the character's actual name is and Superman? Weakness to Kryptonite aside, aren't they basically the same thing?

 

Well, Shazam actually is a human being.  And one that brings a child-like perspective to the events (cause he's a child).  He exists in two worlds in a way that Superman can't.  A good use of the character at times is to act as a foil to Superman and other members of the Justice League, offering them a perspective that they lack (there are occasions where he chides them for their arrogance).  

 

In terms of powers, Shazam's is based on magic rather than biology ... which has been used with varying degrees of success to differentiate him from Superman (including during battles between the two).  Their skill-set is similar, but super strength/endurance, flight, and speed aren't exactly uncommon among super heroes.  Kryptonite, laser vision ... there are a few other differences I think, but the Venn diagram is close to a single circle.

 

I'm not saying we're looking at an entirely fresh resource here, I'm just saying we're giving short shrift to the possibilities presented by the character.  I am struggling to think of another comic book hero who actually is both human and a superhuman, rather than one at times pretending to be the other.  

post #3623 of 3702

So he flies, is super strong, I assume can receive inhuman amounts of damage and drubbing, and is dedicated to truth, justice, etc.?

 

What are the meaningful differences between Shazam, Supes, and Martian Manhunter?

post #3624 of 3702
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So he flies, is super strong, I assume can receive inhuman amounts of damage and drubbing, and is dedicated to truth, justice, etc.?

 

What are the meaningful differences between Shazam, Supes, and Martian Manhunter?

 

But ... why male models?  

post #3625 of 3702
Shazam sucks.
post #3626 of 3702
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Shazam sucks.

 

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post #3627 of 3702
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Shazam sucks.

 

So did Iron Man...until he didn't.

 

And Thor. And Ant-Man.

post #3628 of 3702
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So did Iron Man...until he didn't.

And Thor. And Ant-Man.

Hipster cred is a fickle beast.
post #3629 of 3702
Overlord and Cylon Baby suck.
post #3630 of 3702
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Overlord and Cylon Baby suck.

 

no YOU SUCK!

post #3631 of 3702

Man I just realized suddenly, I don't care about DC movies.  I literally could not give even the slightest of fucks if another one gets released ever again.  Even Wonder Woman was pretty by the numbers stuff. 

post #3632 of 3702
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Man I just realized suddenly, I don't care about DC movies.  I literally could not give even the slightest of fucks if another one gets released ever again.  Even Wonder Woman was pretty by the numbers stuff. 


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post #3633 of 3702
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post #3634 of 3702
I kid, Overlord and Cylon Baby are the coolest.

I can sympathize with Freeman. Justice League finally finds a workable version of these characters, but it’s in a humdrum movie. I would, however, still be open to Reeves’s The Batman and a Matthew Vaughn Superman, if they happen.
post #3635 of 3702
I care about Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman. Aquaman could be interesting but Shazam, Suicide Squad 2, etc...meh

Same for Marvel though, Avengers, Cap, Iron Man, great. Black Panther looks good. But Captain Marvel, a Black Widow movie, Dr. Strange 2, Ant Man and Wasp, etc...meh
post #3636 of 3702
Ant-Man and the Wasp being a Peyton Reed movie from start to finish will only benefit it more.

That Thomas the Tank Engine trainwreck gag is an all-timer.
post #3637 of 3702
I'm kinda with Freeman here. Justice League was too slight. It's an ok movie and boy was Superman good in it but these people are flying blind. There's no goal. They just run with what seems like the best idea at the moment. I don't even know what the state of things are. If Affleck is still on board. If we ever even SEE Flash or Cyborg (who I liked way more than I expected) or Lex Luthor in their current forms ever again. Or even Cavill for that matter. I hope this wasn't his last time as Superman. That'd be a shame..
post #3638 of 3702

Much as I really like Cavill in the role, at this point, I just want the entire DCEU shut down, save for maybe two more WW films. Give Gadot a trilogy or quartet of films to tell a loose story of the character.

 

Then, when they have a fucking plan and the right people in place, make a proper launch of the DCEU rather than this ongoing haphazard shit.

post #3639 of 3702
No need for a plan when you have a Shazam!
post #3640 of 3702
It seems like the studios can't fathom that people really can go years or even decades without another Batman movie and that sometimes those breaks are a good thing..
post #3641 of 3702
Shazam has a talking tiger who dresses like a pimp as a supporting character and a villain who is a two inch worm. Who else can say that?

Advantage Shazam.
post #3642 of 3702

You see that's a part of why I've lost faith.  DC would never give me my pimp tiger.  Not how I want him.

post #3643 of 3702
Perhaps not, but I think it's fair to see what they actually do rather than assume that there's no potential to do something different. If nothing else, having a kid protagonist who doesn't automatically raise cries of child endangerment is a potential avenue of difference to what everyone else is doing.
post #3644 of 3702
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You see that's a part of why I've lost faith.  DC would never give me my pimp tiger.  Not how I want him.

Maybe not but who knows. Maybe whoever is running WB/DC now knows what’s up and gives us the badass pimp tiger we all deserve...voiced by Sean Connery.
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John Francis Daley and Johnathan Goldstein go from writing Spider-Man Homecoming to writing and directing The Flash (or, rather, Flashpoint AKA let's ditch all the Snyderverse shit people didn't like and keep, uh, Wonder Woman):

 

https://www.avclub.com/john-francis-daley-and-jonathan-goldstein-streak-in-to-1822136533?rev=1516145285310&utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing

post #3647 of 3702
Kind of a non-splashy hire. Game Night must be in the can by now, so maybe it's good?
post #3648 of 3702
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Originally Posted by Freeman View Post

Man I just realized suddenly, I don't care about DC movies.  I literally could not give even the slightest of fucks if another one gets released ever again.  Even Wonder Woman was pretty by the numbers stuff. 

I guess that means you'll never post again in this thread?

Ahahahahaha, who am I kidding?!
post #3649 of 3702
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Kind of a non-splashy hire. Game Night must be in the can by now, so maybe it's good?


It seems like WB wanted a director/directors who were available soonish - Ezra Miller's involved with WB's current other big franchise in Fantastic Beasts, and their real top choice for the job - Robert Zemeckis - was busy on The Women of Marwen. Plus, they had Spider-Man: Homecoming cred, I guess.

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