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The dock fight.
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That would be effective!

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Rejoice fellow Man Of Steel fan (MichaelM, are you around?) because apparently we're getting a Man Of Steel sequel after all

Now they've just got to not make him shit like he was in BvS. It can't be that hard.... can it?!

FanS! I was there in the trenches in the great MOS Post-Release Wars.
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I'm....mildly interested?

WB/DC seems to be fucking these properties up left and right, so at this point...eh. Solo Supes film should've been the follow up to MOS. As much as I liked the ultimate cut of BvS, I'm still bitter about WB apparently screwing the pooch on their DC comic properties. SUICIDE SQUAD was meant to be a bounce up from the mixed results of BvS, but even that seems to be bad news.

I'm glad Cavill will get a shot at the role again in a fiml centered on Supes. But I'm not real hopeful at this point.

It's really not hard. DC makes it look so goddamn difficult that watching them screw up Superman is like watching a grown man fail repeatedly to button his shirt correctly. IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT.

1. Have Superman go out of his way to save people. The Oil Rig scene from MOS was nice, as was the montage in BvS, but here's the thing: let him TALK TO THE PEOPLE HE'S SAVING. That's it.

2. Let him smile

3. Let him say something to inspire or comfort someone who is in trouble.

4. Have him show anger, but not Rage. There's a difference.

5. Whoever your bad guy is, have Superman's greatest concern be the danger it poses to others. Have him act accordingly.

6. Show him enjoying being Superman.

7. A challenge: show us something with flying that we haven't seen before.

Deliver these with decent sfx and you'll reap critical and commercial success. It's not rocket surgery here guys, it's Superman.
post #405 of 3585

8. Get a different director

 

9. WB should just let said director make the movie he/she wants and NOT fuck up in the editing room.

 

10. Call it Man of Tomorrow

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hire don hertzfeldt!
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The whole plot will have to be devoted to explaining how Clark Kent isn't dead, and isn't Superman. Something that BvS wasn't concerned with on any level.

 

I've thought for a while that the movie is actually arguing that Superman has never been caught on film up close, considering the only footage we see is from a distance (Batman watching the Zod battle on his computer, Superman landing at Capitol Hill). But that just seems silly, what with the multitude of camera phones and such.

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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

Rejoice fellow Man Of Steel fan (MichaelM, are you around?) because apparently we're getting a Man Of Steel sequel after all

 

Now they've just got to not make him shit like he was in BvS. It can't be that hard.... can it?!

 

So I take so far they don't have a director, writer(s) or a story? If I was a coked-up WB exec, I'd put MAN OF STEELER in their 2018 slot (2019 if I'm feeling generous). And I'd kill that nu-metal Aquaman-flick and move James Wan to this. He's worked with insane schedules and circumstances before, and has also directed one of the all-time great aerial action scenes. This time I'd react to BvS and SS criticism by relaxing at my cocaine-farm-slash-whore-house and ignoring James Wan's distressed phone calls from the set.

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All I know is that I want to see Bizarro in a movie. I don't think that's too much to ask.

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Even though there's a lot I like about Man Of Steel, I DO NOT want Snyder to direct the sequel and I definitely DO NOT want Goyer anywhere near this. Neither man fully understands the character of Superman and so they need to give it to people who do.

 

By the way, what do you guys reckon is the "Untitled DC Movie" coming out in October 2018? 

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All I know is that I want to see Bizarro in a movie. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Trouble is, Batshit v Stupidman stole at least one of his potential origin angles.
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I kind of wish they'd do the "Reign of Supermen" storyline, where you get four new Superman pretenders to the throne and Batman and Wonder Woman scrambling to figure out who they can trust.

Cavill can play two of them, the Cyborg and Eradicator, and maybe even Superboy if they pulled some Chris Evans in the first "Captain America" shenanigans.

The movie can end with the true Superman coming back from the dead and being like, "What'd I miss?"
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Would he have grown a mullet in his coffin?
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I kind of wish they'd do the "Reign of Supermen" storyline, where you get four new Superman pretenders to the throne and Batman and Wonder Woman scrambling to figure out who they can trust.

Cavill can play two of them, the Cyborg and Eradicator, and maybe even Superboy if they pulled some Chris Evans in the first "Captain America" shenanigans.

The movie can end with the true Superman coming back from the dead and being like, "What'd I miss?"

 

 

And don't forget Steel!

 

I really liked Reign of the Supermen, because it featured 4 very different ideas of who Superman is. 

 

Sort of like the Planetary/Batman One Shot, where the Planetary team travel to various versions of Gotham and meet the Silver Age Batman, the Frank Miller Batman etc. 

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Yeah, there were four very '90s takes on Superman, each one perfectly '90s.
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Trouble is, Batshit v Stupidman stole at least one of his potential origin angles.


Ah, that's too bad. You know, I still haven't seen that movie.

 

 

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By the way, what do you guys reckon is the "Untitled DC Movie" coming out in October 2018? 

Isn't there supposed to be a Shazam movie in development?

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With the Rock as Black Adam, yeah? I swear that made news some time ago.
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Saxon will report it as breaking news in three months!
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With the Rock as Black Adam, yeah? I swear that made news some time ago.

Yup, and it will probably happen through sheer force of Rock-will: dude's a huge Black Adam fan and desperate to play him. Though I don't think there's a director or Shazam actor attached yet.

 

Hopefully, DC's BvS-dour tone will have completely died by then, because a dour Shazam film is even dumber than a dour Superman film.

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I'm....mildly interested?

 

WB/DC seems to be fucking these properties up left and right, so at this point...eh. Solo Supes film should've been the follow up to MOS. As much as I liked the ultimate cut of BvS, I'm still bitter about WB apparently screwing the pooch on their DC comic properties. SUICIDE SQUAD was meant to be a bounce up from the mixed results of BvS, but even that seems to be bad news.

 

I'm glad Cavill will get a shot at the role again in a fiml centered on Supes. But I'm not real hopeful at this point.


I think we've talked about this before, but the Superman gets investigated by the government, Luthor plots against him with Kryptonite and the crashed ship, and the big battle with Doomsday all feel like what Man of Steel 2 would've been. There would've been more time for that to breathe, and something else for Clark to do other than investigate Batman, but I don't feel like the Ultimate Edition shortchanges the natural progression of Supes's story.

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I think we've talked about this before, but the Superman gets investigated by the government, Luthor plots against him with Kryptonite and the crashed ship, and the big battle with Doomsday all feel like what Man of Steel 2 would've been. There would've been more time for that to breathe, and something else for Clark to do other than investigate Batman, but I don't feel like the Ultimate Edition shortchanges the natural progression of Supes's story.

 

Yep. Forcing Batman to be a co-lead character, and the shoehorning in of WW and the other League heroes, is what I lament. MOS almost perfectly set up the above scenario, which would've been a great intro for Lex Luthor. We could've gotten a fuller, more satisfying treatment of Kal figuring out who he is and what he wants to be. The arc's there in BvS but it's not as satisfying as it could be.

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I mean, you could even keep Diana but have Clark be the one investigating her.

 

That's the funny thing about BvS, it feels like three movies. If done the Marvel way (bum bum bum) you'd have the hour of Batman investigating the White Portuguese as its own movie, Superman vs. Luthor as its own movie and THEN BvS.

 

Alternate reality: Man of Steel 2 in May 2015, Batman vs. unnamed KGBeast in August 2015, then BvS in March 2016.

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Yeah. Woulda, shoulda, coulda. With SS's mixed reception, it's all on WW and JL next year.

 

Not feeling hopeful.

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Justice league is strongly giving off the vibe of "it's funny and light now! We fixed it" displaying the same superficial misunderstanding of the flaws people had with man of steel and the solution being "everywhere there's mass destruction we have evacuated!!"

Wonder woman also had Snyders name on it.
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Justice League feels doubly weird for being so much lighter and cheerier (at least based on what we've seen so far) considering that Superman JUST died. Am I perceiving this wrong?

Also....I still DO NOT understand the Flash scene in BvS.

"Lois is the key!" Dafuq does that mean? It didn't seem to pertain to anything in THAT movie. Maybe in an off the wall way but nothing directly.

And "You've always been right about him! Fear him!" Again...was he really referring to Superman because that would seem to be proven wrong. Unless he comes back from the "dead" evil for a bit. Or something. Love the Bat-Max Knightmare sequence (it's weird as fuck but so cool) but that Flash scene right after it drags me right out of the movie..
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Justice league is strongly giving off the vibe of "it's funny and light now! We fixed it" displaying the same superficial misunderstanding of the flaws people had with man of steel and the solution being "everywhere there's mass destruction we have evacuated!!"

Wonder woman also had Snyders name on it.

 

Is he doing anything more than exec producing? I doubt he's too involved with the film.

 

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Also....I still DO NOT understand the Flash scene in BvS.

"Lois is the key!" Dafuq does that mean? It didn't seem to pertain to anything in THAT movie. Maybe in an off the wall way but nothing directly.

And "You've always been right about him! Fear him!" Again...was he really referring to Superman because that would seem to be proven wrong. Unless he comes back from the "dead" evil for a bit. Or something. Love the Bat-Max Knightmare sequence (it's weird as fuck but so cool) but that Flash scene right after it drags me right out of the movie..

 

The Knightmare sequence was really cool but also just ill-fitting in a film already crammed with ill-fitting elements. The Flash appearance was world/franchise-building of the worst sort. Hamfisted and incomprehensible.

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Even before BvS came out they were saying that JL was going to be a "lighter" movie. That isn't something that was decided after the reception of BvS. It was always on the cards.

 

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Also....I still DO NOT understand the Flash scene in BvS.

"Lois is the key!" Dafuq does that mean? It didn't seem to pertain to anything in THAT movie. Maybe in an off the wall way but nothing directly.

And "You've always been right about him! Fear him!" Again...was he really referring to Superman because that would seem to be proven wrong. Unless he comes back from the "dead" evil for a bit. Or something. Love the Bat-Max Knightmare sequence (it's weird as fuck but so cool) but that Flash scene right after it drags me right out of the movie..

 

He's warning Bruce about said Knightmare reality where he's from. Something happens to Lois that throws Supes into Darkseid's arms and thus prove that Bruce's original suspicion and anger was right. We don't know what that is though since it's still supposed to happen. Hence the "Am I too soon?" line from Flash.

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I have a strong feeling Supes comes back from the dead under Darkseid's control, and is at least a secondary threat to the Justice League.

 

Which means Cavill will once again be all grimace face red eyes.

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I have a strong feeling Supes comes back from the dead under Darkseid's control, and is at least a secondary threat to the Justice League.

 

I really hope not. That sounds like a terrible idea.

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How would that happen though? Darkseid isn't in Justice League though right? At least not as the MAIN villain. I thought that was supposed to be Steppenwolf. And Superman comes back in JL, yes? So...,Steppenwolf controlling him?

I dunno..
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Nah he'll come back as Supes proper and save the day from Steppenwolf and his Parademons. The post-credit teaser will be Steppenwolf returning to Apokalyps and informing Darkseid of the last son of Krypton who stopped him and Darkseid will be all like "He will be mine..." 

 

Thus setting up Justice League 2 which will deal with Darkseid trying to tempt Supes to his side while Batman tries to find a way to stop the Knightmare future from coming to pass.

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There's precedent. The two-part finale of Superman: TAS has a mind-controlled Superman attempting to take over the Earth. It's only at the end he discovers it was Darkseid, and he travels to Apokolips for a big fight.

 

Two birds, one stone. Threat for JL to fight and an explanation for Supes's resurrection.

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Justice league is strongly giving off the vibe of "it's funny and light now! We fixed it" displaying the same superficial misunderstanding of the flaws people had with man of steel and the solution being "everywhere there's mass destruction we have evacuated!!"

Wonder woman also had Snyders name on it.

 

Eh, they have to play the hand they were dealt.  Better than doggedly continuing with the dour tone of Snyder's films.

 

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Even before BvS came out they were saying that JL was going to be a "lighter" movie. That isn't something that was decided after the reception of BvS. It was always on the cards.

 

I think that was preemptive spin, because people were already complaining about the darkness from the trailer (and MOS's rather grim take on the sunniest hero).  Suicide Squad and Justice League have definitely been retooled in response to the reaction to BvS.

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The Wrap, by way of Dark Horizons, is reporting that Black Manta is the villain for the Aquaman film.

 

...OK? I know next to nothing about this character, so I have no opinion, other than it sounds like Iron Man built specifically for water sports underwater action.

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I didn't realize that Black Manta is actually a black person until I was well into my 20s.
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Black Manta?

Nah, i imagine Buttman and Aquabro fighting for Supes affection.

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"We bonded over Martha. He's my bestest friend. Hand him over!!"

"Do you like fishsticks Soupman? You will bro...you will."
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Black Manta is literally Aquaman's only villain. He's the guy that killed Arthur's son, cut off his hand, etc. 

 

Man, this character needs a real overhaul for the screen.

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The movie reinterpration of Aquaman is one of the few changes I like in the DC Murderverse - at least based on his Justice League clips. There's something wonderful about a guy swigging vodka before being swallowed by a wave.

 

Also, it's kind of adorable how excited Angry Joe has become this week since learning about the Man Of Steel sequel. I imagine the only happier person would be Henry Cavill. 

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Black Manta is literally Aquaman's only villain. He's the guy that killed Arthur's son, cut off his hand, etc. 

 

Man, this character needs a real overhaul for the screen.

 

Hey, there's also Ocean Master, Aquaman's half-brother and King Shark! And...er...uhm...shit I think that's it. Does he really have that few villains?

 

Still, I enjoy Black Manta as a villain. I hope they recreate his death scene from Throne of Atlantis:

 

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Black Manta is literally Aquaman's only villain. He's the guy that killed Arthur's son, cut off his hand, etc. 

Man, this character needs a real overhaul for the screen.

Most superheroes only have 1-3 remotely recognizable villains. Batman and Spider-Man basically being the main exceptions.

And Black Manta is actually pretty badass in the funny books these days. Sadly they'll likely consider Tony Todd too old for the role.
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This is true. It's still amazing that not all of Batman and Spider-Man's villains have been used yet.

 

Every time someone mentions Brainiac for Superman I can't help but think...another alien? And Metallo and Bizarro are just physical threats. Unless the movies embrace the ridiculousness of shrunken cities and cube-shaped planets (and they won't, because Man of Steel's Phantom Zone was...a portal to more space?), it's just going to be a lot of punch punch punch.

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And...er...uhm...shit I think that's it. Does he really have that few villains?

Well, there's also Fin-Man: cold-blooded Scandinavian alcoholic with a weird accent and fins for hands. You can buy figures from my online fake passport store.
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This is true. It's still amazing that not all of Batman and Spider-Man's villains have been used yet.

Every time someone mentions Brainiac for Superman I can't help but think...another alien? And Metallo and Bizarro are just physical threats. Unless the movies embrace the ridiculousness of shrunken cities and cube-shaped planets (and they won't, because Man of Steel's Phantom Zone was...a portal to more space?), it's just going to be a lot of punch punch punch.

Can't do parasite, or toy man or live wire. Some villains are only good for villain of the week formats like comics or television. Brainiac is the most sure thing villain Supes has.
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Can't do parasite, or toy man or live wire. Some villains are only good for villain of the week formats like comics or television. Brainiac is the most sure thing villain Supes has.


There's also Mongul, but he might be too similar to other intergalactic despots. And Mr. Mxyzptlk is one of the longest-tenured Superman villains, but he seems unlikely.

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Yeah, casual filmgoers are going to be confused enough when Darksied turns up looking like Thanos who looks like Apocalypse. At least Mongul isn't bluish purple, but he's still just another Hulk wearing clothes that fit.
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Yeah, casual filmgoers are going to be confused enough when Darksied turns up looking like Thanos who looks like Apocalypse. At least Mongul isn't bluish purple, but he's still just another Hulk wearing clothes that fit.


I'm about 65.3% sure that this is the reason Justice League is using Steppenwolf instead of Darkseid. 

post #447 of 3585
I'm sure they'll take creative license with Darkseid's look. I mean Doomsday didn't exactly appear comics-accurate. And the last two Jokers were light years away from the comics.
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Doomsday didn't look like a melted Baby Ruth in the comics?

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He looked like a bony melted Baby Ruth!
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He looks like a bony melted BABE Ruth..
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