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post #51 of 104
9/17/03 at 2:55pm
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I think you may have missed the fact that they were caught in some kind of loop. Reality was being "bent" and they kept returning to the same spot due to supernatural intervention rather than not going in a straight line.
Even if that is the case, which I am not contesting, I am just saying, they did some dumbass things camping-wise.

Therefore I lose patience quickly and skip to the night scenes.
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post #52 of 104
9/17/03 at 3:06pm
Love the Omen, you can't beat small creepy children.

Really you can't...it's against the law!
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post #53 of 104
9/17/03 at 3:08pm
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Jaws is a wonderful film, but I think I've come across pockets of people (here?) that don't view it as a horror film at all. They consider it a thriller.
I find that interesting. It's like it's considered too 'real' to be a horror movie. Snobbery.

I do note that, along with JC The Thing and Cronenbergs The Fly , Jaws is yet another horror film with adults playing semi-reasonable adults.

My brother and I watch the Thing annually. We wait till late December or January here in MN. That's when the snow is thick and the temp hovers around 10 to 20 below. You can feel like your actually in the damn outpost.

Thanks for another good topic as always Farmer Vincent. You're swell.
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post #54 of 104
9/17/03 at 3:20pm
I'd say Rosemary's Baby, but it's only really scary if you have a religious background.

Exorcist depends less on that (there's horrific visuals even if the religious stuff doesn't scare you), but again, some say no.

Mentioned in passing, but nobody really hit it as the great horror film:

Alien ?

Sci-fi trappings, sure, but for my money it's balls-out horror, all the way, and quite effectively done. Plus, a BELIEVEABLE female hero who's tough as/tougher than any male knight-in-shining-armor.

I've got lots of personal favorites (Wolf Man) and movies I think are perfect (Wolf Man), but in lieu of those obviously untouchable classics (Wolf Man), I'd have to put a vote in for Alien . Can't wait for the re-release. I wish they'd rerelease more, instead of remaking.
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post #55 of 104
9/17/03 at 3:46pm
For me, The Thing is a near perfect gore/horror film, while Jaws is simply a near perfect film. Both are blessed with directors in their respective primes, great casts, and studios which gave both production teams a siginificant amount of freedom to make a great movie.

Personally, I'd have The Excorcist in the same high standing, but I do understand some people's reservations.

What about Silence of the Lambs? I consider it horror and probably the best film of the last fifteen years.
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post #56 of 104
9/17/03 at 3:49pm
Definitely agree with The Thing. First DVD I ever bought, actually. I support The Omen as well. I would support Jaws, but I'm so goddammed tired of that "It's horror!" "It's thriller!" "It's horror!" "It's thriller!" crap that I don't even talk about that film anymore. It's horror. Talk to the hand.

Now... I thought of Cronenberg's The Fly, but in all honesty I thought The Brood was quite creepier. (I do confess that both are on the top 20 list, though.)
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post #57 of 104
9/17/03 at 4:15pm
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mrstiffie:
As for Evil Dead, alas the board is split on these. You have the rabid fans (like me) the those on the fence (Addix) and the communists that hate them (Angulus/Jamie Pool). So while they are great they divide us more that unite us.
I'm not on the fence...I feckin' love Evil Dead.
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post #58 of 104
9/17/03 at 4:27pm
Let's start a "RE-RELEASE THE THING" petition. If they do it for Alien, why not? Plus introduce a whole new generation to a real horror masterpiece...
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post #59 of 104
9/17/03 at 4:28pm
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mrstiffie:
Oh...sorry. I thought you weren't that big on...oh wait you aren't a fan of ED2, right? Sorry 'bout that.
eek! I think you have me confused with someone else. I love all of them.
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post #60 of 104
9/17/03 at 4:51pm
Silence of the Lambs and The Fly remake have their detractors (there's one sitting right here)

anyone think Jacob's Ladder is crap?
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post #61 of 104
9/17/03 at 5:08pm
I know you all get sick of me talking about it, but is Hellraiser widely loved around these parts, like The Thing (another one of my favorite horror flicks) is?
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post #62 of 104
9/17/03 at 5:10pm
Hellraiser is a load of cack. Part 3 is the only one I could be bothered to watch again.
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post #63 of 104
9/17/03 at 5:34pm
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Adam_72:
Hellraiser is a load of cack. Part 3 is the only one I could be bothered to watch again.
Personally for me.. part 3 is where you can pinpoint the downfall of the series. There was just something about the first set of Cenobites that those who followed just couldn't touch.
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post #64 of 104
9/17/03 at 6:15pm
Yeah, Hellraiser 3 is considered by most to be the point where it all went wrong. I like it because it's fun and watchable unlike the first two, and not nearly as crap as the later sequels.

I find Hellraiser 1 to be about as exciting as watching cricket. There's too much conversation in it, and Barker doesn't make the "other side" frightening enough. When things do eventually liven up, some of Barker's ideas are wacky like Italian horror movies, but he isn't stylish enough a director to make them work. I'm sure Hellraiser must have worked better as a book.

Hellraiser 2 I don't remember much about, except that Gorman from Aliens was in it, and a nasty skinless dude (good special effects, I think) smoked a cigarette. Just an unmemorable film.

I am quite looking forward to the new Hellraiser sequel with Lance Henriksen, though...
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post #65 of 104
9/17/03 at 6:26pm
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Adam_72:
I am quite looking forward to the new Hellraiser sequel with Lance Henriksen, though...
Lance Henriksen can make any movie watchable.
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post #66 of 104
9/17/03 at 6:33pm
TCM was a piece of shit. The Thing was great. Is it sci-fi? Is it horror? As far as I'm concerned it's a suspense movie. While the creature and the blood and scary stuff is cool the movie is about isolation and paranoia, neither of which requires horror or sci-fi to be effective.
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post #67 of 104
9/17/03 at 6:39pm
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soultaker:
TCM was a piece of shit. The Thing was great. Is it sci-fi? Is it horror? As far as I'm concerned it's a suspense movie. While the creature and the blood and scary stuff is cool the movie is about isolation and paranoia, neither of which requires horror or sci-fi to be effective.
Disagree strongly. Just b/c it's ALSO got good suspense and use of isolation and paranoia, doesn't mean it's not horror. In fact, some of the best horror trades on just those themes.

Like The Thing , for instance.

Honestly, I don't see where you're drawing that line, or why.
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post #68 of 104
9/17/03 at 6:48pm
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Scott Standridge Drinks Only Beer:
Disagree strongly. Just b/c it's ALSO got good suspense and use of isolation and paranoia, doesn't mean it's not horror. In fact, some of the best horror trades on just those themes.

Like The Thing , for instance.

Honestly, I don't see where you're drawing that line, or why.
I'm not saying that it isn't either one, just that I don't think it is important to figure out whether it is one or the other, as the interaction between the men is more important than the scenes with the monster. For me personally, I call it a suspense movie rather than horror or scifi, though it can technically be both.
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post #69 of 104
9/17/03 at 7:06pm
The Thing is definitely my #2 behind Kubrick's The Shining but I know alot of people have issues with that one.

The Thing probably is the most universally loved. I don't think I've ever run across anyone that didn't like it.

Jaws and The Fly are also 2 that not many people, if any, didn't like.

Jaws is horror in my book. Can't it be considered a monster movie?
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post #70 of 104
9/17/03 at 7:54pm
I'm all about THE THING.

But what'd really be interesting is to get the perspective of a fourteen-year old. Anyone have one handy that they're allowed to experiment on?
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post #71 of 104
9/17/03 at 8:01pm
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the Gaffer's home BruceL:
I'm all about THE THING.

But what'd really be interesting is to get the perspective of a fourteen-year old. Anyone have one handy that they're allowed to experiment on?
I loaned my DVD of The Thing to my 15 year old nephew awhile ago and he thought it was great. It seems as if the chosen few are The Thing, Jaws and Alien.
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post #72 of 104
9/17/03 at 9:04pm
the thing gets my vote but where's the "alien" love? i'd thought more people would have mentioned this one too.
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post #73 of 104
9/17/03 at 10:04pm
Oh yeah, Alien too. How could I not mention it. I know I'll be in the theatre on Halloween watching it on the big screen!
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post #74 of 104
9/17/03 at 10:12pm
This thread inspired me to order from Amazon just now: JC's The Thing, plus the original (which I also love), plus Invastion of the Body Snatchers ('78), plus (what the hell) Suspiria.

I feel good.
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post #75 of 104
9/17/03 at 10:21pm
You should feel good Suspiria is incredible. DId you get the 2 discer SE?
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post #76 of 104
9/17/03 at 11:32pm
The Thing is a fantastic film, love it, hopefully I can get it on DVD. Alien I think is an excellant choice as well. AS for Jaws, I enjoyed it, find it to be a monster/horror flick.

what about Candyman? I don't generally see much said of the film, but I thought it was an excellant horror film, certainly one of the best released during the 90s.
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post #77 of 104
9/18/03 at 12:55am
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the Gaffer's home BruceL:
I'm all about THE THING.

But what'd really be interesting is to get the perspective of a fourteen-year old. Anyone have one handy that they're allowed to experiment on?
... that's about how old I was when I ducked into the near-empty theater and saw THE THING ... I loved it then, and still do, eventhough I have problems with why they decided to blow up the compound ... but that it sorta nitpicking I suppose ...

And I am glad I stumbled in to this discussion before the EVIL DEAD love got too out of hand, because if that crapfest is mentioned, anyone care to nominate THE CURIOUS DR HUMPP ???

And please let's not mention THE FLY remake when it comes to great horror films ... It's not even the best film with that title ...
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post #78 of 104
9/18/03 at 1:03am
Here's a link to a topic I posed back in May... There were some good responses and theories about the blood :

<a href="http://chud.com/board/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=003865&p=" target="_blank">John Carpenter's THE THING</a>
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post #79 of 104
9/18/03 at 1:28am
Hmmm...I can recall many times when I've voted Jaws as the all-time best horror film, and so many people jumped on me and said it's not even a horror film to begin with. I also possed the question to the Chud board as to what genre Alien is, and everyone got so damn anal, it was disgusting. So fuck it-Thing, Alien, Jaws, hell even Se7en are all horror movies.

Anyone who wants to say otherwise can meet me at the track field after school for a major ass-whupin'.

- Fixxxer
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post #80 of 104
9/18/03 at 1:51am
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Agent FIXXXER:
Hmmm...I can recall many times when I've voted Jaws as the all-time best horror film, and so many people jumped on me and said it's not even a horror film to begin with. I also possed the question to the Chud board as to what genre Alien is, and everyone got so damn anal, it was disgusting. So fuck it-Thing, Alien, Jaws, hell even Se7en are all horror movies.

Anyone who wants to say otherwise can meet me at the track field after school for a major ass-whupin'.

- Fixxxer
yep, I agree ... I'd consider those mentioned horror, just like PSYCHO is horror ....
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post #81 of 104
9/18/03 at 1:58am
... funny thing though - if PSYCHO had the same plot, same gore ( or even lack of ), and same look, but also had an abundance of beer and pot jokes, more nudity in the shower and lousy acting, I think more people would consider it a horror film ...

Films don't have to suck to be horror
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post #82 of 104
9/18/03 at 2:07am
Thread Starter 
The only issue with Alien is that many people (evidently very quiet people) like Aliens even more then it. I don't know how many times I've heard Aliens mentioned as one of the few sequels that is better then it's predecessor.

For my money, I'll take Alien with Aliens following closely behind.

By the way, I feel like the biggest devil's advocate (figuratively not in a Keanu Reeves kinda' way) EVER in this thread.
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post #83 of 104
9/18/03 at 2:16am
Thread Starter 
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Gruber alive and well... IN HELL:
I know you all get sick of me talking about it, but is Hellraiser widely loved around these parts, like The Thing (another one of my favorite horror flicks) is?
I keep meaning to watch this again. I saw it once probably fifteen years ago and it didn't do much for me. I don't even remember why. I'm going to give it another chance since I know a lot of people think it is great.
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post #84 of 104
9/18/03 at 2:25am
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[quote]Gus Bjork:
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My brother and I watch the Thing annually. We wait till late December or January here in MN. That's when the snow is thick and the temp hovers around 10 to 20 below. You can feel like your actually in the damn outpost.
That would be an outstanding way to watch The Thing.

Here in Arizona, we watch films set in hell during the 120 degree summers. Brrrr...
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post #85 of 104
9/18/03 at 2:29am
I guess everybody thinks Jacob's Ladder is a classic then?
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post #86 of 104
9/18/03 at 2:35am
Thread Starter 
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Scott Standridge Drinks Only Beer:
I wish they'd rerelease more, instead of remaking.
Amen. If the studios marketed these films right, they could make a lot of cash with a very small investment and make us happy.
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post #87 of 104
9/18/03 at 2:39am
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Adam_72:
I guess everybody thinks Jacob's Ladder is a classic then?
I unfortunately had the whole film explained to me before I saw it for the first time. I'm sure that didn't enhance my viewing experience.

Still, I enjoyed it.
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post #88 of 104
9/18/03 at 2:41am
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Farmer Vincent's Fritters:

I unfortunately had the whole film explained to me before I saw it for the first time.
God damn, that's inconsiderate.
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post #89 of 104
9/18/03 at 2:48am
I'm in the boat with The Thing, The Fly, Jaws, and Alien. Jacob's Ladder I liked, but I've never felt the urge to watch it again.

Does anybody have a problem with Poltergeist?

And if you let me skew towards horror/comedy...

Ghostbusters

Gremlins
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post #90 of 104
9/18/03 at 4:19am
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Adam_72:
Blair Witch really should have that honour, but people lie and pretend not to like it so as not to appear one of the mainstream sheep.
Uh, no. We just think it's a shite film. I've seen it twice, and both times it's left me colder than Hoth. It's awful.

Oh yeah: Baaaaaaa.
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post #91 of 104
9/18/03 at 6:37am
Whoa whoa whoa ! Someone mentioned Hellraiser and their sequels a while back and I believe a crime has occured: surely someone has stolen Dane Whithead's cut 'n' pasted rant that automatically generates itself when the keystokes for "H-e-l-l-r-a-i-s-e-r s-e-q-u-e-l-s" are executed ?

A crime.

And Adam, that's because Jacob's Ladder is officially, by law, the greatest picture ever made.
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post #92 of 104
9/18/03 at 7:20am
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Straxboy Loves Cans-ada:
Jacob's Ladder is officially, by law, the greatest picture ever made.
Better than Cruisin' ???

I think not
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post #93 of 104
9/18/03 at 10:38am
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Floydian Trip:
You should feel good Suspiria is incredible. DId you get the 2 discer SE?
That I did!
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post #94 of 104
9/18/03 at 10:42am
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Marcus Brody:
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Floydian Trip:
You should feel good Suspiria is incredible. DId you get the 2 discer SE?
That I did!
Actually, it's technically the "3-disc limited edition":

Disc 1:
Feature Film
TV and Radio Spots
Daemonia Music Video
Poster and Stills Gallery

Disc 2:
Suspiria 25th Anniversary: an all new 52 minute documentary

Disc 3:
Original Goblin Soundtrack CD

Is this the same thing? Is there a different edition I should have ordered? Thanks!
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post #95 of 104
9/18/03 at 10:47am
That one is awesome. Has a better cover than the 2-disc, too. Beautiful DTS track.
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post #96 of 104
9/18/03 at 11:02am
Ok, here's a question about The Thing for anyone who feels like a challenge...

Once the un-infected Windows is attacked by the thing, his mangled body starts to act all "Thingey" and Mac blasts him with the flame thrower...

So why didn't Dr. Copper's body act all "Thingey" after he was killed? Window's did, but why not Copper?

Anyone have a clue about this?
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post #97 of 104
9/18/03 at 11:27am
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the Gaffer's home BruceL:
I'm all about THE THING.

But what'd really be interesting is to get the perspective of a fourteen-year old. Anyone have one handy that they're allowed to experiment on?
I just bought The Thing last night. I have a fifteen year old nephew. I'll let him watch it this weekend, then preserve his brain in a jar.
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post #98 of 104
9/18/03 at 11:29am
by the way I could only find that double feature DVD of The Fly that comes with part 2. I don't want part 2. Is that the only disk of The fly that's out there?
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post #99 of 104
9/18/03 at 11:57am
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Aghora Eats Kittens:
by the way I could only find that double feature DVD of The Fly that comes with part 2. I don't want part 2. Is that the only disk of The fly that's out there?
There's a similar double feature disc of the original Fly and Return of the Fly. Guess which of the two is higher on Scotty Standridge's list of "dvd desires"? wink
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post #100 of 104
9/18/03 at 6:03pm
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So why didn't Dr. Copper's body act all "Thingey" after he was killed? Window's did, but why not Copper?

Anyone have a clue about this?
SPOILERS... if you need to be warned, you need to stand in a corner for ten minutes. Then get your ass out there and see this movie already!!!

Ahem... Windows got nabbed. He ended up clutched in Palmer's divided torso for quite a long time while Mac was swearing at the malfunctioning flame thrower. Copper yanked back just as his arms dropped into Norris' chest, therefore I don't think he was exposed long enough. That's my take on it.

"You gotta be fucking kidding."
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