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post #2501 of 2785

Could have been worse. Much worse.

 

HE COULD HAVE PRETENDED TO BE CERTAIN MARVEL CHARACTER AND WRITE ALL POSTS LIKE THIS.

post #2502 of 2785
My favorite Fleed moment was in one of the Watchmen threads, when he asserted that the Vietnamese woman who cut the Comedian's face up deserved to die.
post #2503 of 2785
Wow, do NOT remember that.

His iron clad insistency that he would NEVER watch a movie if the previous one burned him (which I guess is understandable) or even if there was just some element of it he didn't care for, drove me up the wall sometimes. Though in retrospect I'm not sure why. It was his loss. Ok so they recast Mad Max, fine...Mel Gibson was great but when those reviews start pouring in GUSHING over it and you STILL refuse? I mean, bad reviews are one thing. I'd like to form my own opinion. But unanimously good reviews should change most people's minds..
post #2504 of 2785

Wow, man. The Duke is gone. I've put him on ignore and un-ignored him out of some weird sense of pity so many times I've lost count. Dude was corny as fuck, and creepy to boot. I always figured a mod would get tired of his semi-disruptive schtick and put him on ice out of impatience. Which is pretty much what happened, but who knew the guy was a racist.

 

In the Halls of CHUD History, this shall be a victory in Jacknife's tale. The Dukeslayer.

post #2505 of 2785

so I read that Hollywood Reporter piece about how they basically dumped Ayer's version of this movie for a hack job. it all makes sense now when critics talk about how huge stretches of this movie actually feel like a trailer. the template for the whole movie is based on a cut made by Trailer Park! my God...

 

remind me never to sign up to direct a tentpole movie.

 

also, man, I really hope this gets a director's cut. I really loved that very first trailer that was a bit more mix of fun and somber, would love to see that movie as opposed to "we've got a lot of kooky fun ground to cover and not much time to do it, so chop chop!"

post #2506 of 2785

What was weird is that that article describes two diametrically opposed versions of the film: one Grim N Gritty and one light hearted. 

 

Then I guess they just combined the elements that test audiences liked together into one blob of movie. 

post #2507 of 2785
This is starting to sound really dreadful. I'm assuming Ayer's cut was much shorter and this is just a lot of added crap? Though I thought that worked for Payback. I never liked that STRAIGHT UP cut..
post #2508 of 2785
The first time a studio triples its box office take by giving a movie seperate theatrical releases for each competing editorial vision over the course of the same summer, titling them as "remixes," the heads of the rest of the studios will slap themselves for not having thought of it first. It's the logic of the rebootquel, taken to its obvious end.
post #2509 of 2785

seriously makes me wonder about the films we could have been getting.

 

I'm not saying what Ayer originally envisioned would definitely be better...but it'd be neat to know if it was.

 

same thing for Rogue One.

 

and I know this kind of thing has been happening forever with big movies like this when they aren't made by powerhouse directors who have more pull, but yeah, I think with what is coming to light recently about some of these projects and how much they are getting changed because the studios know they can push these guys around and they are desperate for hits...yeah. ugly.

 

I like how that HR piece basically said that this current Hollywood M.O. for low-rent director hire and then project micro-managing is why Colin freakin' Trevorrow gets to make Jurassic Park and Star Wars movies.

post #2510 of 2785
With Gareth Edwards...and this is purely speculation...maybe what he made just didn't feel enough like "Star Wars" for Disney..
post #2511 of 2785
Well, sure. That could mean anything. I'm sure Ayer's cut didn't feel "Suicide Squad-y" for them.
post #2512 of 2785
I did sorta paint with a really broad stroke there. I guess I just don't wanna come across as condemning just yet on something that I really WANT to like..
post #2513 of 2785
REALLY young crowd in my theatre. Like, under-10-years-old young.

Weird.
post #2514 of 2785
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REALLY young crowd in my theatre. Like, under-10-years-old young.

Weird.

 

How many Harley Quinns?

post #2515 of 2785
None, but a couple ugly Jokers are here.
post #2516 of 2785
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None, but a couple ugly Jokers are here.

 

Ledger or Leto jokers?

post #2517 of 2785
Probably just Juggalos.
post #2518 of 2785
Nobody dresses up like Jack anymore?

I did one year when I was about 12. But it ended up looking closer to Ledger because I was shit at painting my face up..
post #2519 of 2785
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Originally Posted by wasp View Post
 

so I read that Hollywood Reporter piece about how they basically dumped Ayer's version of this movie for a hack job. it all makes sense now when critics talk about how huge stretches of this movie actually feel like a trailer. the template for the whole movie is based on a cut made by Trailer Park! my God...

 

remind me never to sign up to direct a tentpole movie.

 

also, man, I really hope this gets a director's cut. I really loved that very first trailer that was a bit more mix of fun and somber, would love to see that movie as opposed to "we've got a lot of kooky fun ground to cover and not much time to do it, so chop chop!"

 

Didn't WB claim that they're always pro-director and they're allowed to make the movie in their own vision? This article pretty much dispel that myth completely. 

post #2520 of 2785
Well, they ARE...up until the point they take it from them..
post #2521 of 2785

Except if you're Zack Snyder then they just let you shoot everything you want.

post #2522 of 2785
They didn't let David Ayer shoot everything he wanted? I mean....that seems like the sanest way to go. It'd give the most to work with whenever they decide to embellish it with whatever goofiness that they've got in mind..
post #2523 of 2785

Looks like I'll be seeing this tomorrow night at 6. Gonna watch it with both my eyes.

 

And then, like that, the summer movie season will be over. Kind of a bummer. I can't think of anything else I want to see until Jack Reacher 2 on October 21st. I might consider Kubo and the Two Strings if it gets really good reviews.

post #2524 of 2785
Damn, just read the HR story. What a shitshow.

This is the kind of thing that makes you worry, not the reviews.

Still won't stop me from seeing it though. I liked both versions of BvS, so chances are I'll like however many versions we get of this.
post #2525 of 2785
Jack RECHAR!!! Is way in October? Bummer frown.gif
post #2526 of 2785
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Jack RECHAR!!! Is way in October? Bummer frown.gif
Least it gives you something to look forward to. I can't wait for it myself.
post #2527 of 2785
Eh, it's only two months. It'll FLY by..
post #2528 of 2785
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

They didn't let David Ayer shoot everything he wanted? I mean....that seems like the sanest way to go. It'd give the most to work with whenever they decide to embellish it with whatever goofiness that they've got in mind..

I think Headless Fett meant Snyder filmed 30 more minutes worth of finished scenes.
post #2529 of 2785
My comment wasn't meant to sound like I was saying he was wrong. I was honestly wondering. At the moment this directors cut (if there will actually BE one) sounds like it would actually be a shorter movie. But who knows? When/if it's released it could axe a bunch of what's in it and replace it with twice as much footage of a drearier nature..
post #2530 of 2785

Which movies can Execs point to (WB or otherwise) as examples where re-shoots and parachuting in a new editor or director actually saved the movie and successfully averted a flop?

post #2531 of 2785
I'm always curious what exactly these executives want out of a filmmaker when they hire them.

"We've seen your work it's great. We like your vision. Can you bring that to this project but then completely change it to conform to a certain arbitrary set of parameters that we'll invent after we test screen the sucker?"
post #2532 of 2785
Name recognition probably plays a big part in it. It still carries a bit of weight to put "from the director of 300" at the beginning of a preview.

Past that? They're probably looking for someone easily controllable..
post #2533 of 2785
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

I'm always curious what exactly these executives want out of a filmmaker when they hire them.

"We've seen your work it's great. We like your vision. Can you bring that to this project but then completely change it to conform to a certain arbitrary set of parameters that we'll invent after we test screen the sucker?"

Without the reception to BvS maybe they would have had more confidence.

 

Good taste in general could have avoided everything.

post #2534 of 2785
My take on it has always been that business executives who aren't themselves creative (which seems to be most of them) bring in directors on the theory that they instill a certain mass quantity of "creativity" into a project, like hiring a guy to deliver so many yards of sod or whatever. But then they feel (as executives do) like they have to put their own stamp on the project, so they go and fuck around with things, and then they can't understand why the end result is a mess.
post #2535 of 2785
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I'm always curious what exactly these executives want out of a filmmaker when they hire them.

That Barton Fink feeling.



Also, somewhere in Hollywood...

post #2536 of 2785
This was ok. VERY clunky start. Feels like they're throwing everything at the wall and it's crazy disjointed.

But it definitely gets better as it goes on and the cast is lots of fun together.

Without spoiling anything, the mid credits scene teases something that could be REALLY cool if done right.
post #2537 of 2785
Thread Starter 
Let's be honest though, these movies have ambitious release dates and questionable scripts as their primary problems.

The executives are panicking as a result of the messes those two things cause.
post #2538 of 2785
Just saw two teens wearing AWESOME Joker and Harley outfits waiting for the next show. Wanted to take a picture but I'd look like a creep.

Also, no second stinger. You can safely leave after the first one.

People seemed to dig it quite a bit. Huge applause in the end.
post #2539 of 2785

What makes it only OK?  Sounds pretty good.  

post #2540 of 2785
I'm seeing this in 30 minutes. I got more enjoyment from the trailer than all
of BvS, so I'm still pretty optimistic!
post #2541 of 2785
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What makes it only OK?  Sounds pretty good.  

Oh, it's lots of fun. I said "ok" in the sense that it's not the garbage fire some people are saying it is. It's a really good time.
post #2542 of 2785

Cool!

post #2543 of 2785
Without going into spoilers....how much is Leto really in it?
post #2544 of 2785
RT score is now 31% and probably hasn't hit the bottom yet.
post #2545 of 2785
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My favorite Fleed moment was in one of the Watchmen threads, when he asserted that the Vietnamese woman who cut the Comedian's face up deserved to die.

THIS IS A THING THAT HAPPENED?

post #2546 of 2785
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THIS IS A THING THAT HAPPENED?

Oh yeah. But to be honest I just think that's one of his programmed responses that malfunctioned.

post #2547 of 2785

I guess I don't hang around here enough.  I had no idea his political/racial attitudes were so repulsive.  

post #2548 of 2785
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

Without going into spoilers....how much is Leto really in it?

Not much. He's shoehorned into the film in a very blatant way sometimes, actually, but it's a guest-star role: bigger than a cameo, smaller than a supporting role.

I was not a big fan of his interpretation btw. He grows on you, but he's not at all intimidating or scary. It doesn't help that he lacks anything resembling physical menace either.
post #2549 of 2785
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Originally Posted by littlenomad View Post

I guess I don't hang around here enough.  I had no idea his political/racial attitudes were so repulsive.  
Like 'turning' Moneypenny black was both vexing and intentionally harmful.
post #2550 of 2785
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I guess I don't hang around here enough.  I had no idea his political/racial attitudes were so repulsive.  
I'm around here quite a bit and I only ever saw it rarely but that was enough. He shoulda kept that mess to himself. I don't know what he thought he was going to accomplish by disclosing those opinions..
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