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post #151 of 275
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I had my suspicions about Kenny after things really got serious, because, even as a teenager, it's just jerking off, for crissakes. Plus the little hint at the very beginning.

As things escalate, it does get to the point where you think there's no way this could all be worth avoiding some (admittedly pretty bad) embarrassment (of course this tends to be my attitude toward most blackmail stories and I roll with it). But then they have Jerome Flynn give that rundown of what Kenny's life would be like and it sounds pretty convincing (especially if you were a dumb teenager) so it reels you back in. So that really sets up the reveal as not only a gutpunch that changes your perception of the character, but the new context also makes more sense. It's awfully clever.

I'll admit I didn't see it coming at all.
post #152 of 275
Another fun call back in San Junipero....

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The tech used for San Junipero looks like it's a more advanced version of the egg program from the Christmas ep.


As far as timeline goes, would National Anthem be considered earliest and 15m Merits the furthest in the future?

Edited by dynamotv - 10/24/16 at 2:40pm
post #153 of 275
Oh my God, San Junipero.

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Loved everything about this episode. The central love story, the heartfelt performances, the evocative dreamlike 1980s packaging, the way it ever so subtly teased the viewer about what was really going on without ever rushing it. In a way, the real twist was technology being the good guy for once. Washed the taste of Shut Up and Dance right out, that's for sure. I'm quite fascinated with the whole idea of human beings transcending mortality through tech (all started with an article about the amazing Martine Rothblatt), and though I won't be around when it becomes a reality, I'm glad I was alive to see some of those ideas represented in such a beautiful and life affirming way. Need to watch the episode again as soon as possible. Wow.
post #154 of 275

Yeah, will definitely make my top ten favorite television episodes of 2016.

 

*Heads off to listen to "Heaven Is A Place On Earth" for the tenth time*

post #155 of 275
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Another fun call back in San Junipero....



As far as timeline goes, would National Anthem be considered earliest and 15m Merits the furthest in the future?



I still think that Brooker means it when he says "it's a true anthology" and the Easter Eggs are just that, but I showed my wife the entire first two seasons yesterday, and we wound up talking about this quite a bit. I think the accepted headcanon chronology goes: 

National Anthem
White Bear

Waldo Moment

Be Right Back

Entire History of You

White Christmas

Waldo Moment (epilogue)

15 Million Merits 

One of the things my wife pointed out is that there are a lot of echoes and reflections of the show in different places, things that suggest that certain episodes could be taking place at roughly the same time. White Christmas' last story suggests the passage of at least five years or so, and there are references to characters like the National Anthem PM or the MP from Waldo Moment and the main character of White Bear throughout.She also mentioned that National Anthem makes reference to places being abandoned, and so it's possible that White Bear Justice Park is a repurposed council house block in that regard. Additionally, the sense of justice meted out in White Christmas is not dissimilar to that in White Bear, but also suggests a move towards the totalitarianism and dystopia of the end of Waldo Moment and 15 Million Merits. She also theorized that maybe 15 Million Merits is happening at the same time as some of these other episodes, but what we're seeing is class differences - maybe the system in 15MM is some solution for the poor/working class to earn a fixed income, at the same time Oona Chaplin is running her fancy smart house. 

post #156 of 275
Oh man, that's the waif from GoT in the last episode?
post #157 of 275

I really enjoyed "Hated In The Nation" and "San Junipero", but for much different reasons.

 

"Hated In The Nation" is the perfect X-Files episode. Forget the obvious bee's reference, it is exactly what the recent reboot should have aspired to, but failed to be. 

 

And "San Junipero" might be my favourite hour of television all year long. It's incredibly re-watchable especially when you have a full understanding of the backstory. It's also veers away perfectly from the most common criticism of Black Mirror as an anthology series. That it only offers a single underlying theme which can be boiled down essentially to technology often acts as accelerant with regards to our most vile and despicable impulses. A great thoughtful chance of pace episode. Loved it.

post #158 of 275

Charlie Brooker and Annabel Jones did a Reddit AMA where they reveal the scene they considered "too bleak even for Black Mirror" and give out a set of Nosedive ringtones! 

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/59cppq/were_charlie_brooker_and_annabel_jones_the/

 

Also this ("Hated in the Nation" spoiler, kind of): 

 

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Brooker: They [the episodes] take place in the same psychological universe, certainly. There are sometimes explicit links, eg in Hated in the Nation, Blue worked on the Rannoch case (he was Victoria Skillane's boyfriend, mentioned in White Bear).
post #159 of 275

I love how they'll answer anything "as long as it's not sport related". 

post #160 of 275

Watched "Play Test" (yes, I'm proceeding very slowly). It's not an upper-tier episode, simply by virtue of not having very much to say and being pretty formulaic - there's also perhaps one twist too many - but on the whole I enjoyed it a lot as a nasty, well-made bit of ironic fiction. I also thought Wyatt Russell killed it.

post #161 of 275
The one episode I haven't liked is Hated In The Nation. I found the Robeez too much. A different, less fantastical mechanism would have made a huge difference in how I felt about it.

I liked the very Playtest-ish Men Against Fire, but I kept hearing the Outer Limits narrator interrupting throughout the back half of the hour. Also, wasn't the a short film with the same plot a year or two ago?

And yeah, San Junipero was the goods.
post #162 of 275

Jesus, "Shut up and Dance"...

post #163 of 275

Is it possible 'San Junipero' isn't quite as uplifting and hopeful as we think?  I thought the episode was crushingly beautiful, easily one of the most emotionally affecting hours of television I've ever seen.  And holy shit, the Belinda Carlisle song is so perfect.  But because Brooker is a cynical genius, he's gotta throw The Quagmire (?) into the works, the club where everyone goes when they've been in San Junipero so long that they are so desperate just to feel anything at that point (I think Kelly's previous hook-up used those exact words).  How long before Kelly and Yorkie get bored living out their perfect day over and over again?  There's an slight undercurrent of melancholy at the end that makes it that much more affecting; I can't stop thinking about it.  Its really a masterpiece. 

post #164 of 275
"Shut up and Dance" and "Hated in the Nation" would make an interesting double feature. The last episode (movie?) may not have been the best episode out of the batch but had a pretty neat ending. Also, Benedict Fucking Wong.
post #165 of 275
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Is it possible 'San Junipero' isn't quite as uplifting and hopeful as we think?  I thought the episode was crushingly beautiful, easily one of the most emotionally affecting hours of television I've ever seen.  And holy shit, the Belinda Carlisle song is so perfect.  But because Brooker is a cynical genius, he's gotta throw The Quagmire (?) into the works, the club where everyone goes when they've been in San Junipero so long that they are so desperate just to feel anything at that point (I think Kelly's previous hook-up used those exact words).  How long before Kelly and Yorkie get bored living out their perfect day over and over again?  There's an slight undercurrent of melancholy at the end that makes it that much more affecting; I can't stop thinking about it.  Its really a masterpiece. 

 

I went away with the same impression. To me the episode is about fear of the unknown,  and the viewer is given the choice between embracing an artificial construct (religion) or the sweet release of oblivion (atheism). Think about the last third of that episode, and play it in your head without the comforting, poppy, nostalgic soundtrack. It's pretty bleak. Hell can be described as a stagnant, repetitive cage, and that's where they are.

 

Also, if this is Brooker's intent, I reckon he's been reading Philip Pullman.

post #166 of 275
Maybe it's because I've seen more than my share of "immortality isn't all it's cracked up to be" messages in vampire stories/edgy sci-fi etc, but I just can't go along with that reading.

I think the point of San Junipero is that it's not for everyone, and it's a choice. If you're lucky enough to find what Kelly and Yorkie share, it's awesome. Those two have a special appreciation for the place because of everything they experienced in their old lives (tragedy, homophobia, paralysis, cancer) so it will never get stale or repetitive for them, especially given that little touch at the end with Yorkie changing her clothes instantly, which suggests that every day there can be fresh and different with a little imagination. The Quagmire is for the ones who don't have that, for whom nothing matters and it probably is sort of a "graveyard" as Kelly calls it in anger.

Still can't believe that cynical, sarcastic bastard Brooker came up with such a stunningly beautiful love story. Despite all the fancy future tech stuff, there is something wonderfully old fashioned and soul-matey about it.
post #167 of 275
Also, finally finished the new season. "Men Against Fire" is as strong as concepts get with Black Mirror, but there was something lacking in the execution and I found it a tad predictable. Weakest episode IMHO. Finished strong with "Hated in the Nation", though. Nifty little cat and mouse serial killer thriller movie throwback with a techy twist and a good dose of commentary. Great stuff. Benedict Wong's car was a hilarious bit of gratuitous gadget wankery.

What an amazing season overall. Bring on S4.
post #168 of 275

Has there been any announcement on when we'll be getting season four? 

post #169 of 275
Broker mentioned that they're getting ready to start soon.
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“We’re about to start shooting one so as soon as we’ve finished that bit and shot another five, and then given them all a good polish. 2017 almost certainly, in other words.”

(http://www.slashfilm.com/black-mirror-nosedive-ringtones/#more-381112)
post #170 of 275

Yeah, they've already announced that Jodie Foster is directing one that stars Rosmarie De Witt. 

post #171 of 275

ooooh, great pairing!

post #172 of 275

Dream directors for Season 4: 
 

Zombie Mike Nichols

Matt Weiner

Tom Ford

Robert Eggers

Kelly Reichart

post #173 of 275
Peter Strickland and Ben Wheatley.
post #174 of 275
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Maybe it's because I've seen more than my share of "immortality isn't all it's cracked up to be" messages in vampire stories/edgy sci-fi etc, but I just can't go along with that reading.

I think the point of San Junipero is that it's not for everyone, and it's a choice. If you're lucky enough to find what Kelly and Yorkie share, it's awesome. 

 

Yeah, I think Brooker has even said wanted to subvert his own formula with San Junipero.  I think you're right about his intent, and it does work wonderfully.

 

But then again, I still can't completely shake that feeling; if something is too good to be true, it usually is.  The previous 10 episodes conditioned me to feel that way!

post #175 of 275
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Peter Strickland and Ben Wheatley.

 

Wheatley seems like such a natural fit. 

post #176 of 275
I'm not sure how to read the ending of San Junipero. On the one hand, I agree that Yorkie and Kelly have a bond that will probably spare them from joining the ranks of The Quagmire. On the other hand, they are dead now; they will presumably "live" in San Junipero until it's shut down. But when they have so long to be there, will they eventually grow bored of the town? Of each other? Can they travel to other towns and cities from the "real world" to alleviate that potential boredom, or are there limitations to the technology?
post #177 of 275

I want a Black Mirror episode set somewhere in Asia so badly. C'mon Brooker - use all of that Netflix ca$h and make it so!

post #178 of 275
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Peter Strickland and Ben Wheatley.

 

Wheatley would be so perfect. Would also love to see Vincenzo Natali and David Cronenberg helm episodes.

post #179 of 275
I want to say that if this concept is ever revisited, San Junipero is one of many after life cities and there's probably a greater spread when it comes to eras one can visit.

I do wonder if the concepts from SJ and Be Right Back will be combined. Like someone dying in prison and being resurrected through an Android to finish out their sentence?
post #180 of 275

So who pays for all that tech in San Junipero? How is it maintained? What's the shelf life? Do they roll out updates? Patches? Can residents change their timeline, or are they stuck in whatever era they chose?

post #181 of 275
I'm guessing that time works differently over in SJ. In Playtest, the whole game happened in .4 seconds and we've seen that time settings can be adjusted in White Christmas. My guess is that it might be closer to real time in case loved ones want to check in from time to time.
post #182 of 275
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So who pays for all that tech in San Junipero? How is it maintained? What's the shelf life? Do they roll out updates? Patches? Can residents change their timeline, or are they stuck in whatever era they chose?

Repeat to yourself "It's just a show." You should really just relax.
post #183 of 275
As for upkeep? Duh. The cycle farm in 15M Merits.
post #184 of 275
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I'm not sure how to read the ending of San Junipero. On the one hand, I agree that Yorkie and Kelly have a bond that will probably spare them from joining the ranks of The Quagmire. On the other hand, they are dead now; they will presumably "live" in San Junipero until it's shut down. But when they have so long to be there, will they eventually grow bored of the town? Of each other? Can they travel to other towns and cities from the "real world" to alleviate that potential boredom, or are there limitations to the technology?


From what Yorkie said, it seems like you still have the choice to move on from San Junipero, even after you've "permanently" moved there. So if Kelly does eventually want to "leave" to see if she'll be with her husband and daughter again, she'll be able to do that, and perhaps Yorkie will chose to move on as well. Or perhaps they'll be there forever, or until it shuts down. Who knows? Frankly, I don't particularly care, or about the basic upkeep, because it's so beautifully executed as a piece of writing and performance.

 

What an utterly marvelous episode of television San Junipero was. So much warmth, compassion, and love for its characters, and such a great way of completely committing to its gimmick to explore this question. One of the best works of art I've seen in 2016, period.

post #185 of 275

Watching PLAYTEST.  Hehehe what a goofy one!

 

edit:  what a pointless one!!!


Edited by mcnooj82 - 10/30/16 at 6:53pm
post #186 of 275
I dug Playtest. Its a down the middle Twilight Zone episode, but the execution was fun.
post #187 of 275

I will say that the scores/soundtracks this season have been much better than previous seasons. There are cues in both "Nosedive" and "Playtest" that are just awesome (that's as far as I've gotten).

post #188 of 275

When I made my last post, I wasn't all the way through Playtest. 

I have now finished Playtest and it scared the shit out of me. Which is what I think it was trying to do - I remember reading Brooker talking about how a lot of these ideas came from "how would we do X in Black Mirror," and this was a haunted house piece. Very effective. 

post #189 of 275
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Watching PLAYTEST.  Hehehe what a goofy one!

 

edit:  what a pointless one!!!

Hey now, it had a point: CALL YOUR DAMN MOTHER EVERYBODY!

post #190 of 275

Reminds me when J.K. Simmons told us to call our parents during his Oscur speech. 
 

Terrence Fletcher scarier than anything in Playtest, tho.

post #191 of 275

Watching Shut Up And Dance. 

I think the bank scene at the end is set where they shot The World's End. 

post #192 of 275

I almost posted this in the "Cool Frames Dude" thread, but I absolutely adored this shot from "Shut Up And Dance." 

post #193 of 275
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Hey now, it had a point: CALL YOUR DAMN MOTHER EVERYBODY!

that wasn't the point!

 

the point was, even your phone call to your mother is another artificial layer of reality, oh sorry your brain fried, NEXT!!!!

post #194 of 275
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that wasn't the point!

 

the point was, even your phone call to your mother is another artificial layer of reality, oh sorry your brain fried, NEXT!!!!

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it's funny because the last thing he did was call his mother
post #195 of 275

MONKEY PAW LITERALISM!!!

post #196 of 275

Hitch would be proud. 

Cooper's even blonde.

 

IT ALL FITS.

post #197 of 275

After Trump, The Waldo Moment feels like a classic.  

post #198 of 275
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After Trump, The Waldo Moment feels like a classic.  

 

I feel like both "Waldo Moment" and "Shut Up And Dance" (where lives are ruined 'for the lulz') are both going to benefit from hindsight and historical context; Waldo already feels more relevant and striking than it did a year ago. 

post #199 of 275

A few years ago we thought the British Prime Minister fucking a pig was an outlandish idea by Charlie Brooker, and then David Cameron happened. God knows what else this show will end up predicting.

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A few years ago we thought the British Prime Minister fucking a pig was an outlandish idea by Charlie Brooker, and then David Cameron happened. God knows what else this show will end up predicting.

Well this happened the other week, so . . . 

 

http://decider.com/2016/10/06/black-mirror-woman-texting-dead-friend/

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