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Inspired by the severely derailed Sony thread. Talk about whatever.
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If you like Hip-hop, and you haven't listened to Run The Jewels (EL-P x Killer Mike), you're doing yourself a massive disservice. Run The Jewels 2 is easily a strong contender for Rap Album of the year.
 

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Also for funsies. A friend got me into Watsky. He's pretty great, and did this stellar remix of No Flex Zone with Karmin.

 

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Agreed on Run the Jewels, both of their albums have been getting a ton of play from me. I've been a fan of El-P since Fantastic Damage, but I still need to check out Killer Mike's solo stuff. I've only heard a few tracks off of R.A.P. Music.

El-P's I'll Sleep When You're Dead might be my favorite rap album. He may not be the most skilled rapper out there, but he's a great lyricist and producer. Some of his older beats in particular are downright alien (in a good way). He's produced a lot of albums for other acts too. Cannibal Ox's The Cold Vein and stuff he's done with Cage in particular are really good.

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I really, really hope this get's made.

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/paula-wagner-developing-sylvia-robinson-726330

 

I think it would be better as a documentary but a film about the creation of Sugarhill Records (the Big Bang of Rap/Hip-Hop) should be fascinating.

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For my money this is the best hip hop album of recent years (that I know of anyway). Okay it's pretty traditional, but it has just about everything I look for in the genre - beautiful, clever sampling, thoughtful lyrics, and Blu just has a fantastic voice and flow. The second album is good as well, but Below The Heavens is a 10/10.

 

This being a movie forum, everyone should be able to enjoy Jay Electronica's Eternal Sunshine suite.

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For my money this is the best hip hop album of recent years (that I know of anyway). Okay it's pretty traditional, but it has just about everything I look for in the genre - beautiful, clever sampling, thoughtful lyrics, and Blu just has a fantastic voice and flow. The second album is good as well, but Below The Heavens is a 10/10.

This being a movie forum, everyone should be able to enjoy Jay Electronica's Eternal Sunshine suite.


Goddamn. Jay Electronica still hasn't released his first album.
 

Have never really listened to Joey Bada$$ before, but this came up on my spotify, and I really dig the old school vibe from this. Also, pretty sure the beat is an altered version of Tribe Called Quest "Scenario."

 

And speaking of old school:

Souls of Mischief - '93 til infinity

 

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GODDAMMIT I'LL KEEP THIS THREAD ALIVE!!!

 

Chance the Rapper - Good Ass Intro

 

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Jeremiah Jae is also worth checking out.  He was signed to my friend Flying Lotus' Brainfeeder outfit until Warp Records picked him up last year...

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Another great one.

 

Gorilla Warfare Tactics - Classics 

 

"What does it mean to be a classic?"

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Jeremiah Jae is also worth checking out.  He was signed to my friend Flying Lotus' Brainfeeder outfit until Warp Records picked him up last year...

I'll check him out as soon as I get home.

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something chill to listen to.

 

People Under the Stairs - Montego Slay

 

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Thanks to Spotify, I decided to edumacate myself about the origins of Hip-Hop. I went all the way back to Sugar Hill records and began with Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight, the long version of that track is 15 minutes, that's an incredible lyrical jam. Grandmaster Flash is more well known for tracks like The Message and White Lines but they also did tracks like New York, New York which is superbly gritty, I think the misogynistic overtones don't help though. It's interesting to hear groups like The Sequence pave the way for acts like Salt 'n' Pepa in terms of female MC's, one of the members of The Sequence is none other than Angie Stone (known then as Angie B). I'd really like to know what Salt 'n' Pepa think of this whole Iggy Azalea thing, seeing as they pretty groundbreaking in terms of female MC's and also pushing sexual agenda's.

 

It's interesting to hear how Eric B & Rakim paved the way for Rapper/DJ duo's like Blackalicious with the one-two punch of Paid in Full and Follow the Leader. Eric B's rapping feels like a quantum leap from Sugar Hill Gang and Grandmaster Flash in terms of lyrical complexity.

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Saw the RTJ2 tour when it stopped in Dallas, one of the craziest things I've ever been witness to. If you get a chance to see these guys live, TAKE IT! DO NOT HESITATE!

Also saw Deltron 3030 in November and goddamn was I ever surprised by how tight the performance was. Not that Del, Dan and Koala aren't legends, I just didn't expect them to be so vital and seemingly current playing tracks from an album over a decade old. (They also played a couple cuts from Event II, which were enjoyable! But I haven't really fucked with that album.)

New Dizzee is good, dudes a legend. I would encourage you all to seek out the Pagan and I Don't Need a Reason videos, I think music videos are a form buried in the past but both of those make strong cases for bringing them back.

 

The new Migos mixtape 'Rich Ni**a Timeline', if you're adventurous give that one a shot. I thought these guys were some kind of joke at first, but actually, this tape is the definition of fire. Are they good rappers? Hell no. That's not the point tho. 

 

New Ghostface is all-time classic quality, especially and notably the production. New Wu is weak. What the fuck, I've been Deck's biggest supporter for years now, but his inaugural verse is absolute garbage. U-God outraps him badly throughout this whole album. Times how have they changed.

 

I'll make some more meaningful contributions to the thread once I get home, I haven't really been keeping up with the scene too much this past year or so like I used to.

The Bug - Function ft. Manga. Check that out. That's my obscure gift to you.

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Yeah, I heard that new-Wu isn't good, but I have been enjoying GFK's new album. Also, I so fucking want to see Run the Jewels on tour, but I don't think they're coming anywhere near me at the moment.

 

New, but I've been enjoying this one quite a bit.

 

Vince Staples - Hands Up

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"...well, that escalated quickly."

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Not really just posting the videos of GFK


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some more Joey Badass. Really like this guy.

 

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He can definitely rap, but Statik Selektah is the real draw. One of the best producers in the game at the moment.
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I think KRIT is a much better producer than rapper. His rapping seems to exclusively consist of rapping about rap music. Wish he would do beats for other people more often. For example:

 

I'm still pissed that label drama killed VENOM. Cham has one of the nicest flows, period. He's doing shit on Youtube nowadays. Even sold a verse to a friend of mine, who is a talented guy sure, but I can out-rap that cat. Should be doing much bigger things, is my point.

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I think KRIT is a much better producer than rapper. His rapping seems to exclusively consist of rapping about rap music. Wish he would do beats for other people more often. For example:

 

I'm still pissed that label drama killed VENOM. Cham has one of the nicest flows, period. He's doing shit on Youtube nowadays. Even sold a verse to a friend of mine, who is a talented guy sure, but I can out-rap that cat. Should be doing much bigger things, is my point.

you do your own stuff?

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Long, long ago. Was on some Wastelander futuristic angle. Occassionally said some fairly dope shit, but the beats ... I will say we had some really dope beats.

 

https://soundcloud.com/big-swing/pray-for-rain-1

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Agreed on Run the Jewels, both of their albums have been getting a ton of play from me. I've been a fan of El-P since Fantastic Damage, but I still need to check out Killer Mike's solo stuff. I've only heard a few tracks off of R.A.P. Music.

El-P's I'll Sleep When You're Dead might be my favorite rap album. He may not be the most skilled rapper out there, but he's a great lyricist and producer. Some of his older beats in particular are downright alien (in a good way). He's produced a lot of albums for other acts too. Cannibal Ox's The Cold Vein and stuff he's done with Cage in particular are really good.

 

I think I might be the only one that isn't completely in love with Run the Jewels.  I also have been a huge fan of El-P for years(Fantastic Damage is my favorite of his solo albums), but something about this just doesn't hit me the same way.  The beats are amazing as always, but the lyrics are kind of dumbed down compared to El-P's, previously, lyrically dense wordplay.  I know Killer Mike gets all the press for his "political" lyrics, but honestly I find them to be a bit trite.  The song "Reagan" was all over the place in the news, but I feel like he is reciting something that was in a movie.  I can't remember what movie it is where they show a bunch of rich white guys talking about how they are going to move crack into the ghetto and keep black people from rising up in status. Anyone know what I am referring to?  I just feel that a lot of what he is rapping about is stuff that I heard already in the 90's though beefed up with more tough talk complimented by El-P's always crushing beats.

 

El also seems to be taking the "more people will like this if I rap more simple and slowed down"(I attribute this to having to rap against Killer Mike who is a very straightforward rapper) like Jay-z did back in the day, which ultimately, at least according to him, is what led to him blowing up.  I'll Sleep When You're Dead was 2/3 of a classic album but the last third is kind of slow and boring.  Yet it was on a bunch of top 10 lists.  I didn't care for R.A.P. Music all that much either.  It was good, I just didn't love it.  I don't know.  I do like Run the Jewels, don't get me wrong, but am I listening to it obsessively like I was El's earlier work?  Not so much...unfortunately.

 

I mean, a line like "You can all run backwards through a field of dicks"(RTJ2) is a pretty great line, but "You f%$^ts hit like teddy bears thrown against wooden doors by a misunderstood teenage girl in a moment of self-importance"(Fantastic Damage) is just so much more clever.

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I mean, a line like "You can all run backwards through a field of dicks"(RTJ2) is a pretty great line, but "You f%$^ts hit like teddy bears thrown against wooden doors by a misunderstood teenage girl in a moment of self-importance"(Fantastic Damage) is just so much more clever.


That pretty much describes why I heavily fuck with RTJ, yet never really cared much for El beforehand. I don't know that the second bar is clever so much as ... overly verbose.

But on the topic of white rappers teaming up with black rappers and everyone coming out ahead, CZARFACE was the dopest hip-hop album of 2013. I always bring this shit up cause its severely slept-on. If I haven't already hassled you about it and you still havent heard it, be sure to check it out.



 

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That pretty much describes why I heavily fuck with RTJ, yet never really cared much for El beforehand. I don't know that the second bar is clever so much as ... overly verbose.

 

I think comparing how hard someone punches/raps to a high school girl throwing her teddy bear against a wall is quite brilliant imho.  Anyone can make dick jokes.

 

That is exactly why I love(d) El-P, because he's lyrics were so complex, and I guess why I am not as big of a fan of RTJ.  Also, knowing his previous stance about not making simpler rhymes makes the move to RTJ a little bit of copout, to me at least.

 

I'm assuming you've heard the song he did with Aesop?  "We're Famous"?  At the beginning he even make a point of saying that he is going to "break it down real fucking simple" before rapping much more directly than usual(yet still more complex than most rappers).  He then goes on to say "I won't dumb it down, I'm dumbing now for these rounds" basically saying "I am only doing this so you can understand me, on this one track"(I think there was an El-P diss from Sole or Esoteric where he said he could never understand what he was talking about and this was one of the responses).

 

Do you feel the same way about Aesop Rock? 

 

Edit to include the song mentioned:

 

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I never particularly listened to El-P, but I always respected his production. Aesop on the other hand. I would have to fully agree with Eso, if that's who threw the diss, cause I got no clue what the fuck he's saying and its always seemed like way too much work to try and figure it out. I'm not trying to decipher illuminated tapestries in a monastery or some shit. I realize that's the appeal for some people, but definitely not for me.

Whereas "tea-bag a pirhanna tank, heart barely beating, a wild one". Goddamn that shit hits so hard, to me. The syncopation and beat-measure arrangements are something you can just hear El start to really pay attention to, starting with Cancer 4 Cure, developing more in RTJ and then really enabling full mastery in RTJ2. Like, I don't doubt his lyrics have always been densely packed and carefully considered, but that's only half the battle. You gotta make it sound good, hit the snare drums with style, say that shit so you can remember it. If you can do all that and say some truly baller stuff, in a quarter of the words, that'll make some good music. 

 

Like Canibus can spit a thousand bars and you gotta be impressed by the effort, but the dopest thing he ever rhymed was 'without moving my neck, I turn to the left.' A single bar, to the point, dude is a fucking terminator. 

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I will have very little to contribute to this thread as I don't care for this genre much, however, I did just stumble across a group called The 1978ers on Spotify.  So far I like what I hear.  The language is much cleaner than others I've heard and I like the sound.  Maybe these guys are awful in the grand scheme of things, but I like it...

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good, clean hiphop for the kids!

 

http://dino5.com/

 

its got Charlie 2na from Jurassic 5! Really, this is quality hip-hop, two Iguanadon Thumbs up.

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http://subsoniqradio.com/wp/

 

Great podcast for underground / non-mainstream hip-hop/rap.

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I never particularly listened to El-P, but I always respected his production. Aesop on the other hand. I would have to fully agree with Eso, if that's who threw the diss, cause I got no clue what the fuck he's saying and its always seemed like way too much work to try and figure it out. I'm not trying to decipher illuminated tapestries in a monastery or some shit. I realize that's the appeal for some people, but definitely not for me.

Whereas "tea-bag a pirhanna tank, heart barely beating, a wild one". Goddamn that shit hits so hard, to me. The syncopation and beat-measure arrangements are something you can just hear El start to really pay attention to, starting with Cancer 4 Cure, developing more in RTJ and then really enabling full mastery in RTJ2. Like, I don't doubt his lyrics have always been densely packed and carefully considered, but that's only half the battle. You gotta make it sound good, hit the snare drums with style, say that shit so you can remember it. If you can do all that and say some truly baller stuff, in a quarter of the words, that'll make some good music. 

 

Like Canibus can spit a thousand bars and you gotta be impressed by the effort, but the dopest thing he ever rhymed was 'without moving my neck, I turn to the left.' A single bar, to the point, dude is a fucking terminator. 


I hear ya.  Makes sense.  I have friends who feel the same way and we "argue" about it all the time.  The complicated lyrics are partially what kind of got me into El-P and Aesop, as I do like to decipher the lyrics and find new things each time I listen to it.  That being said, I do like RTJ and agree that RTJ2 is much more focused than RTJ1.  It's a great album, I guess I just want some more of El-P's dense wordplay.  :)

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good, clean hiphop for the kids!

 

http://dino5.com/

 

its got Charlie 2na from Jurassic 5! Really, this is quality hip-hop, two Iguanadon Thumbs up.


I used to work with Charli 2na's cousin Aminu.  He was a really cool guy.  Very smart guy and super friendly.... That's all I got. haha.

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Does anyone have additional recommendations for any hip-hop/rap that's cleaner?  And by cleaner I just mean very-little-to-no use of the "N" word.  I'm a big boy, and I still can't handle the word in any way.  I like electronic music and I've recently gotten into "Trap" simply because it's so similar to hip-hop without the lyrics.  That helps.  

 

I'm a lost cause; I know.

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Does anyone have additional recommendations for any hip-hop/rap that's cleaner?  And by cleaner I just mean very-little-to-no use of the "N" word.  I'm a big boy, and I still can't handle the word in any way.  I like electronic music and I've recently gotten into "Trap" simply because it's so similar to hip-hop without the lyrics.  That helps.  

 

I'm a lost cause; I know.

 

You might want to check out The Streets.  Be warned though, if you are annoyed by someone rapping/talking with a British accent, stay very far away.  He blends elements of garage and some electronic music.  Original Pirate Material and A Grand Don't Come For Free are classics.  His later albums kind of lose focus, but are still worth checking out if you like the first two. 

 

 

Also, Young Fathers.  Again British(they don't use the N word as much).  They just won the Mercury Prize(The Streets won this as well) which is given to the best UK album by emerging(mostly) artists every year.  Kind of like the Scottish Outkast.  This song below is amazing.

 

 

If you are looking for American rap, Atmosphere, is pretty solid.  Slug(the rapper) mainly raps about girls and relationships.

 

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Also, if you like instrumental hip-hop without those pesky lyrics.  RJD2 is worth checking out.  Classic beats, very little rapping.  I just picked up the album this is off of(haven't listened to yet).  His first two albums are great.

 

 

Also Rustie.  His beats are sick and probably the closest to "trap" that I have posted here.  Not really hip-hop per se, but he does feature rappers on some of his tracks.

 

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Lastly, if you haven't taken the plunge on Gorillaz, now would be a perfect time.  Although I grew up being very aware and a sideline fan of rap, Gorillaz are what really pushed me over the edge into being a fan and seeking out more stuff. 

 

Alright, I'll stop for now and let some others post. :)

 

 

 

After hearing Clint Eastwood by Gorillaz, it led me to this(produced by Dan the Automator who produced the first Gorillaz record).

 

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I know RJD2.  Good suggestion.

 

Thanks for the other recommendations, RCA.  I don't mind British rap at all.  I tend to prefer it.  You might laugh, but I adore Tinie Tempah and Devlin, and a couple of others. I will track down your suggestions.  I like Gorillaz somewhat, but I prefer blur, and I long for that group every time I hear Gorillaz.

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Does anyone have additional recommendations for any hip-hop/rap that's cleaner?  And by cleaner I just mean very-little-to-no use of the "N" word.  I'm a big boy, and I still can't handle the word in any way.  I like electronic music and I've recently gotten into "Trap" simply because it's so similar to hip-hop without the lyrics.  That helps.  

 

I'm a lost cause; I know.

 

Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow is a top-5 All Time album. Surely you are familiar? I kind of hope you aren't, just so you can have the experience of discovering it for yourself, for the first time, in 2015. 

Its one of the very few hip-hop albums that I feel can genuinely, sincerely change a persons life.

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For those who like instrumental hip-hop, I recommend Nujabes, he did an epic mixtape called Ristorante, he also collaborated with other rappers on the series Samurai Champloo.

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I know RJD2.  Good suggestion.

 

Thanks for the other recommendations, RCA.  I don't mind British rap at all.  I tend to prefer it.  You might laugh, but I adore Tinie Tempah and Devlin, and a couple of others. I will track down your suggestions.  I like Gorillaz somewhat, but I prefer blur, and I long for that group every time I hear Gorillaz.

check out Audio Bully's Ego War as well.  Very distinctively London Hip-Hop.  Also go for some Roots Manuva for that London style.

 

For "clean" Hip Hop I don't think you can go wrong with Michael Franti & Spearhead - specifically Everyone Deserves Music.  I also love the Jungle Brothers and Jurassic 5.

 

"Is it hip-hop or not" (possibly inspired by hip hop or with a hip hop flavour) I'd add in Nightmares on Wax (especially Smokers Delight), Tricky, Massive Attack, Roni Size, Goldie and Asian Dub Foundation.  The latter ones get drums and bass/jungly but it's all good.

 

And for something completely different - Goldie Lookin Chain.  Welsh satirical rap.

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Young Fathers IS dope.

Dizzee Rascals SHOWTIME is one of the defining albums of the 2000s, just throwing that out there.

 

On the 'is it hip-hop?' question, two of my favorite acts from the last few years that AREN'T hip-hop, but in a musical space I feel that most people in this thread would really dig:

The Blood of Heroes

http://www.last.fm/music/The+Blood+of+Heroes

 

and LORN

https://soundcloud.com/lorn

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British rap, huh?

 

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For those who like instrumental hip-hop, I recommend Nujabes, he did an epic mixtape called Ristorante, he also collaborated with other rappers on the series Samurai Champloo.

I can't recommend Nujabes enough. The music world lost a great producer with his passing.

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I posted this link a few years ago, but here is Chris Rock's list of the top 25 Rap Albums. Love his funny commentary! http://www.chrisrock.com/category/top-25-albums

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I missed this when it came out. Okay, thats the dopest shit I heard from 2014.

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My friend Flying Lotus just got his BBC Radio 1 residency, you can re-listen to the radiocast here, it's well worth listening to.  Lot's of good hip hop/electronica/jazzy selections.

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