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Halloween 4, 5, 6. Brilliant? Or wizzing the story arc down the leg?

post #1 of 32
9/19/03 at 1:40pm
Thread Starter 
As much as I enjoy the mindless violence of these movies, one thing bugs me.

Jaimi Loyd. Laurie Strode's daughter? Huh?

And to suggest further that she wsa born, not long after the events in Halloween I&II, again, huh?

I mean, that character was not the type to have kids that young, and I know it's generalizing of me to say but...

that's just wrong, that is so not in that character

And then to further suggest that it is Micheal's mission to destroy his family as part of an old Pagan ritual...why did he kill everyone else then.

Why? Oh why?
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post #2 of 32
9/19/03 at 1:48pm
These sequels are crap. Don't even bother trying to figure them out. I would guess you have spent more time thinking about these plot elements than the writers did.
For further bile about these soulless Hollywood products, please see this recent thread-
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post #3 of 32
9/19/03 at 2:03pm
Hell, 4,5 & 6 had better storylines than H20 and Ressurection.

Inconsistent yes, but better-it was ambitious to try to continue a plot over a duration of sequels.

It would have been nice for thm to close this plot line before starting up new continuity or dropping it all together.
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post #4 of 32
9/19/03 at 2:10pm
Honestly, I haven't seen all of 4, 5 or 6, but the "wizzing the story arc down the leg" title had me laughing.

Just thought I'd mention that.
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post #5 of 32
9/19/03 at 3:24pm
They're bad,that's a given. What's worse is how much padding Mike wears in part 4.
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post #6 of 32
9/19/03 at 3:31pm
I remember, at the time, that I used to like them. Plus I had much love for that "Man in black" fellow. (Until I found out he was a crusty old turd. *sigh*) Storming a police precinct and killing a bunch of pigs, terminator style, was quite endearing to my young teenage-rebel eyes. That being said, they're crap. Total shite. Last year we ran a marathon of them with some friends and my illsuion was shattered. Oi. Don't even get me started on the last 2.
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post #7 of 32
9/19/03 at 4:05pm
Next to H20 I think Halloween III is the best sequel...so I'm gonna stay outta this conversation.
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post #8 of 32
9/19/03 at 4:07pm
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RRotten:
Next to H20 I think Halloween III is the best sequel...so I'm gonna stay outta this conversation.
*stares at screen blankly; puzzled.*
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post #9 of 32
9/19/03 at 4:08pm
III doesn't get enough credit if you ask me, but you didn't, so I'll stay out of it.
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post #10 of 32
9/19/03 at 5:03pm
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JoNNy Toe-Tags:
*stares at screen blankly; puzzled.*
Exactly, my man.
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post #11 of 32
9/19/03 at 8:13pm
I love halloween 4.

Halloween 5 is just too similar to part 4 and not as good. By part 5 Dr loomis's rantings on about Michael Myers and his black eyes are getting tiresome.

Part 6 was even worse with an awful ending.

Halloween H20 was ok but very run of the mill.

Halloween ressurection is the worst one. i agree that the Buster rymbes vs michael martial arts session was just embarrassingly awful. Far too similar to My Little Eye too which is a million times better and came out just before it.
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post #12 of 32
9/19/03 at 10:26pm
2 and 3 are tremendous.

4 had that wicked ending that I love.

5 was where it started to get ho-hum.

But I'll happily watch any of the Halloween sequels. Michael's got that je ne sais quois that keeps me coming back.
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post #13 of 32
9/19/03 at 10:31pm
Oh, and just a little bit of trivia, Halloween 4 was directed by the underrated Dwight H Little (Marked for Death, Rapid Fire, Marked for Death, Free Willy 2, Murder at 1600, Marked for Death, Marked for Death)
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post #14 of 32
9/19/03 at 10:34pm
I love Halloween 4 too. Its, in my opinion, the best of the Halloween sequels. Much more entertaining than part 2 and simply a better film from start to finish then the rest of the sequels.

Ending it at part 4 if they chose to do so would have been great.

Part 5 was ok, but it took an excellent ending from part 4 and kind of watered it down. I think even Donald Pleasance wasn't big fan of that change if I remember correctly. the rest of the film is solid overall.

Part 6 never came out as intended. It has some entertaining bits in it. But not a very good film as is..at least the theatrical cut isn't.

still all are far better then the last 2.
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post #15 of 32
9/20/03 at 1:37am
Ya, I think it's a mistake to lump parts 4, 5, and 6 together... because 4 in my opinion is the best sequel. It's a vastly superior movie to the other two. There is something very dark going on in that movie, which is why Quentin Tarrantino loves it so much (he's a huge fan).

I love H6 too... although the story deteriorates so much by the end I always feel dissatisfied. I enjoy that it has balls and went with a new style though (which is better than the tired "Halloween-Generic" style of the Producer's cut). It's a cool film, I dig the style, and gotta give props to Paul Rudd.
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post #16 of 32
9/20/03 at 1:56am
There is only one way to watch these films....

You watch one which is a classic.

You follow with part two, which is damn good and under rated.

Then you ignore everything else and watch H20, and the story actually makes some sense.

Those are your best three... and Season of the Witch never happened. I dont care how much evidence you show me to the contrary, that and the Exorcist:Heretic were merely bad ideas that people never followed through on. You will never convince me otherwise, for my meek ego coudl not take that kind of disappointment if they were real.
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post #17 of 32
9/20/03 at 5:39am
I like 4 and 5. 6 was cool the first time, but after repeated viewings; it sucks. But I still hold all three of those higher than H2O.

Never saw Resurrection. Didn't want to support crap.

- Fixxxer
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post #18 of 32
9/20/03 at 6:30am
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i3ullseye:
There is only one way to watch these films....

You watch one which is a classic.

You follow with part two, which is damn good and under rated.

Then you ignore everything else and watch H20, and the story actually makes some sense.
Yep. They're the only three of the series I watch and love.
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post #19 of 32
9/20/03 at 9:43am
The best are 1 and 4 though regardless of whether the story fits together and makes sense or not. Part 4 is definately the best sequel.
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post #20 of 32
9/20/03 at 2:39pm
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Agent FIXXXER:
I like 4 and 5. 6 was cool the first time, but after repeated viewings; it sucks. But I still hold all three of those higher than H2O.

Never saw Resurrection. Didn't want to support crap.

- Fixxxer
Man, I wish I had your self control. H20 made me want to murder someone (this was NOT a return to ANYTHING that the Halloween series was about, except for maybe Jamie Lee's ego). Anyways, my point was I was so curious about Ressurrection that I just had to see it... and of course i was disappointed... what an embarassment.
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post #21 of 32
9/20/03 at 5:39pm
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Bad Mojo:
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Agent FIXXXER:
I like 4 and 5. 6 was cool the first time, but after repeated viewings; it sucks. But I still hold all three of those higher than H2O.

Never saw Resurrection. Didn't want to support crap.

- Fixxxer
Man, I wish I had your self control. H20 made me want to murder someone (this was NOT a return to ANYTHING that the Halloween series was about, except for maybe Jamie Lee's ego). Anyways, my point was I was so curious about Ressurrection that I just had to see it... and of course i was disappointed... what an embarassment.
LOL, that's funny. The other night as a matter of fact, I saw H:Ressurection in the video store for a dollar. I still walked by it, without picking it up. I just can't get myself to touch that thing. I was really burned by H2O, and when I read the script synopsye(sp?) for H:Ressurection, I felt like someone replaced my tiolet paper with pinecone.

As for H20 being as bad as TCM:Next Generation, I don't think ANY sequel is as bad as TCM 4. The ONLY redeemable point TCM4 has is Matt MaConahey's Vilmer. That's one of the best psycho-hicks I've seen, since Brad Pitt's Early in Kalifornia.

- Fixxxer
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post #22 of 32
9/20/03 at 6:58pm
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Bad Mojo:
Ya, I think it's a mistake to lump parts 4, 5, and 6 together... because 4 in my opinion is the best sequel. It's a vastly superior movie to the other two. There is something very dark going on in that movie, which is why Quentin Tarrantino loves it so much (he's a huge fan).
I seem to recall that he and Scott Spiegel wrote a script for it at one point, too.
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post #23 of 32
9/20/03 at 9:07pm
What I like about H20 is that it DOES tie back to 1 and 2. You are dealing with the children who were terrified that first night, now all grown up. that was very cool. My wife missed it entirely until I pointed it out, and then on second watch she enjoyed it much more. Maybe a lot of people miss that Laurie is not the only return character in this flick.

TCM:TNG- hehe.. well... I watched it. Matt was OK. But it was pretty sad. It was a re-do of the story, btu not a remake of the original. Pretty weak. I sure hope this next offerring is better.

But now that someone mentioned it, Bradd Pitt in Kalifornia was brilliant! That is such a good movie, and it flew in under the wire on most peoples radar. if you havent seen this flcik, RUN and see it now. I love that move.

"You mean he beats you?"

"Oh no..... only when I deserve it!"
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post #24 of 32
9/20/03 at 11:22pm
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i3ullseye:
TCM:TNG- hehe.. well... I watched it. Matt was OK. But it was pretty sad. It was a re-do of the story, btu not a remake of the original. Pretty weak. I sure hope this next offerring is better.
Please...the "next offering" can't be any worse. If it is, I'll eat my shoes.

- Fixxxer
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post #25 of 32
9/21/03 at 12:00am
1 , 2, 4 ,20 HERE IS YOUR WINNING COMBINATION!

4 is an exellent atmospheric film.
1 is....is the number 1 horror movie ever made.
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post #26 of 32
9/21/03 at 12:10pm
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NiveK:
how can you get past the continuity glitches that the sequels before at least acknowlaged like Michaels burns, and Micheal traveling cross country in costume?
pretty easily considering you can get past the fact that

1.(sorry to have to say it,and i know this statement is itself a cliche) but its a movie

2.its a fucking guy who kills people on halloween,and CANNOT BE STOPPED

3.just get past the fact that he drives a mask cross country,and look and realize he WEARS A MASK ALL THE TIME...

plus how is he supposed to be able to drive anyway,how does he grow back eyes and why the fuck did loomis shoot him 7 times in the flashback in part 2 when he obviously had a 6 shot pistol

ps...its a movie

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post #27 of 32
9/21/03 at 3:50pm
There are 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 and even 9 and 12 shot revolvers. Did he ever establish which type he had? Often police forces acquire these so that 'bad guys' assume they only have 6 shots.

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Now me personally? I am sure it was a brain fart on the editing part. Maybe there were more shots filmed, and even a reloading scene. Probably not. and it most likely WAS a standard 6 shot starter pistol (many of those are only 4 or 5 shot BTW). But my point is this does NOT ruin the integrity of the film in any way. We have enough leeway to work with.

Now if Loomis had stated "I have six shots ready for that black souled bastard" then we might have a continuity problem.
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post #28 of 32
9/21/03 at 9:28pm
I love it when Loomis is reduced to a gibbering, borderline sobbing wreck at the end of part 4.

"NO!

NO!

NO!"
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post #29 of 32
9/22/03 at 7:55am
I love the ending to part 4! It is so unexpected and scary as fuck and Donald Pleasence's reaction is awesome. I wish all films had such a class ending.
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post #30 of 32
9/22/03 at 9:53am
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RRotten:
Next to H20 I think Halloween III is the best sequel...so I'm gonna stay outta this conversation.
I agree whole heartedly about Halloween III.
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post #31 of 32
9/22/03 at 11:00am
After part 2, the Myers sequels all blur together for me. Parts 5 and 6 commit the unforgivable sin of being dull. H2O, as I recall, was just plain generic. It was like they had Myers kill two teenagers just to fufill a contractual obligation to the producers. I haven't seen Ressurrection yet and if God loves me, I never will.
Yes, this is truly one of the worst horror series ever. I say that because the original is one of the best horror films made, while these sequels are mere dogshit. The disappointment level factors in greatly with my opinion.
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post #32 of 32
9/22/03 at 12:41pm
Would this "story arc" (sic) happen to refer to the fabled ship on which all the original stories of the world have apparently been stored and hidden away in preparation for the giant re-make flood that our movie theaters have been slowly drowning in for the past few years?

If so, I still have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
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