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post #101 of 124
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I hate New England too, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
They can win the Super Bowl but with deflategate they can lose picks and we all can celebrate.

Stay classy Seattle. They can talk shit but are sore fucking losers.

And that Butler kid who got the int should be MVP
post #102 of 124
Thread Starter 

Yay!  Now we'll get to hear more about "Inflate-Gate"!

post #103 of 124
I cannot fathom why they called that play.
post #104 of 124

Because Carrol thinks he's the smartest guy in the stadium. Even smarter than that jerk Pete everyone talks about but he's never seen!
 

post #105 of 124
Thread Starter 

Hey, I though there was supposed to be a new Avenger's trailer.

post #106 of 124

It wasn't even like that guy Wilson was throwing too was particularly open.  Not open enough to risk the Super Bowl on, anyway.

post #107 of 124
Thread Starter 

Wilson is no Eli Manning.

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post #109 of 124
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Hey, I though there was supposed to be a new Avenger's trailer.
They saw Vin's flying car and backed off last second.
post #110 of 124
So who's better Montana or Brady? I say Brady, he went to six, Montana only 4 and people forget Montana lost some playoff games, it's not he was perfect in the postseason.
post #111 of 124
The thing is it's really dumb to boil down a legacy to this game. So, if Seattle had just handed the ball to Marshawn Lynch one more time Tom Brady is a different quarterback? The truth is that Brady has played in a much friendlier era for quarterbacks and yet his (great) playoff numbers are very comparable to Joe's. So it's really just the longevity factor for Brady, and it's impossible to know how well he would have held up in a league that didn't protect quarterbacks nearly as much. It's probably splitting hairs, so I wouldn't begrudge anyone taking Brady over Montana. But I'll take the original every day and twice on Super Bowl Sundays.
post #112 of 124
It wasn't like Brady was out there playing defense. He did what he had to do to win the game and then could only sit and watch.

Besides, Seattle was only down there thanks to a totally fluky play (which, yes, is a part of football, but still).
post #113 of 124

Just playoff stats:

 

Montana: 16-7, 45TDs, 21INTs, 7.9 Y/A, 95.6 Rating

Brady: 21-8, 53TDs, 26INTs, 6.8Y/A, 89 Rating

 

In Super Bowls:

 

Montana: 4-0, 11TDs, 0INTs

Brady: 4-2, 13TDs, 4INTs

 

When you factor in the eras, IMO it's not close. Basically, if you asked me which QB at his prime I'd take, it'd be Montana without hesitation. Brady's got a strong case for #2 though.

post #114 of 124
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Originally Posted by Paul755 View Post

I cannot fathom why they called that play.

 

I can only fathom two reasons:

 

1.  Carrol expected that the Pats would be anticipating the rush by Lynch, so decided not to go with it.  Despite the fact that there were relatively few times Lynch didn't manage to gain at least a couple yards on any given run.

 

2.  And perhaps more importantly:  Carrol/Wilson wanted to cement a case for Wilson as Super Bowl MVP by having him throw the game-winning pass vs Lynch running it in.

post #115 of 124
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

It wasn't like Brady was out there playing defense. He did what he had to do to win the game and then could only sit and watch.


 


That's what I'm saying.  Brady could have five or six Super Bowls.  He didn't defend David Tyree and then Plaxico Burress, and he didn't drop the Welker pass.  But the point remains he would only get credit for three had they just run Lynch once or twice more...  does that make sense?  Not really.  But neither does someone saying he is now all of a sudden better than Joe Montana.  If he is he was before yesterday as well.

post #116 of 124
I can't stand Brady and think Montana is better than him on almost every level.

Even so, when I see Montana devouring a Papa John's pizza I shake my head and feel embarrassed.
post #117 of 124

If you think Brady is the best, it means you'd take him over every other player in NFL history ever.  I struggle mightily with that.  Do you think Belichick couldn't win SBs with Aaron Rodgers?  Or Kurt Warner?

 

When you play with the greatest coach of all time (that would be much tougher to dispute), and you won your first three SB's (possibly cheating) by 4 points or less, almost all on the backs of great defenses, then lost two with mediocre defenses (against ELI MANNING), well, it is tough.

 

Terry Bradshaw won 4 SB rings, too.  But NOBODY talks about him being the greatest.  He also lost ZERO.

 

Aaron Rodgers only won one.  Is he worse than Eli (2)?   No one would take Eli over Aaron.  Not even Archie.

 

Anyways, get ready for 5000 TB is the greatest ever articles, because sportswriters have short, short memories.  Which is why the Butler play is the play of the century.  Until next year.

post #118 of 124
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Originally Posted by First Class 782 View Post
 

If you think Brady is the best, it means you'd take him over every other player in NFL history ever.  I struggle mightily with that.  Do you think Belichick couldn't win SBs with Aaron Rodgers?  Or Kurt Warner?.

Both Warner and Rodgers won their Rings with Hall of Fame WRs.  The one one time Brady had a HoF WR(Moss) he threw 50 TD's and went 18-0 before losing on an all time lucky play. 

post #119 of 124

Brady beat Kurt Warner (cheating, though not by Tom, most likely), Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, and Russell Wilson (on an all-time lucky play, to coin a phrase).

 

When will Delhomme and McNabb enter the HoF?  I know Roethlisberger will, so at least Aaron beat a quality QB to get his ring.  Brady did beat Warner, but again, did he REALLY?

 

Montana beat Ken Anderson (MVP that season), Elway, Marino, and Esiason.  For comparative purposes.

post #120 of 124

Warner had Marshal Faulk, Issac Bruce, Holt and some good 3/4 WR in Proehl.   Montana had Jerry fucking Rice and Roger Craig not to mention a slew of HoFers on Defense.

 

Plus as Edleman pointed out yesterday Montana never had to deal with the Salary Cap.

post #121 of 124

So Tom Brady deals with the salary cap?  I thought he played quarterback.

 

That whole notion is dumb anyway.  It's harder to build a dynasty in a salary cap era, but the Patriots are the team who won three of them in four years.   And this more recent Pats team is completely different without Gronk.  He's every bit the gamechanger any other all pro receiver is, he just plays tight end.  Plus, they've had a cakewalk division Brady's entire run.  They practically had a rubber stamp to the second round of the playoffs at minimum.

 

Which is not to diminish Brady.  It's to say it's not as clear cut as salary cap era = harder.  I'm sure Montana would have traded the front office having to deal with a salary cap for the way the league protects quarterbacks now.

post #122 of 124

No, he just had to deal with concussions and his receivers getting totally mauled every down.

 

Yeah, it is so much easier playing QB in the 80s than it is today.  That is why QBs today post such shitty numbers.  Because everything was easier when the QBs could get hit and the CBs could actually play tough.

 

And Tom Brady has Gronkowski, the best TE in the game by a very, very wide margin (Bailey just covered this).

post #123 of 124
I'm fine with putting Montana ahead of Brady (even though I personally wouldn't) as long as you don't throw Peyton Manning in that conversation which a lot of crazy people like to do.
post #124 of 124

I'd take Marino over Manning. Plop Marino into this era, and his numbers would be insane. Better yet, plop him on to a good team in this era, and I have no doubt he'd have the Super Bowls that tend to unfairly skew the comparisons.
 

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