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post #1 of 35
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We have the RDJ Sherlock Holmes film series, the Benedict Cumberbatch-led BBC series, the CBS series and now another film.  This one actually sounds promising, though:  Ian McKellen portrays a retired Sherlock Holmes, age 93, looking back on his life and grappling with an unsolved case as his mind deteriorates.

 

Bill Condon directed it and Laura Linney co-stars as Holmes' housekeeper.  It will be released sometime in summer 2015.

 

 

post #2 of 35
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Originally Posted by Draco Senior View Post
 

We have the RDJ Sherlock Holmes film series, the Benedict Cumberbatch-led BBC series, the CBS series and now another film.  

 

Public domain strikes again!

 

This does look good though. I haven't read the book for which this is based on but Sherlock is such a great character that you can place him in different time periods or different times in his life and it still works.

post #3 of 35
I learned about this a few days ago but had no idea that Condon was doing it. Looks lovely.
post #4 of 35
As much as I love Sherlock Holmes, I do wonder if it's something about *now* that's behind his current vitality, or if it's just pure chance that we've now got four major interpretations of the character banging about. I think the Ritchie-Downey version is kind of over with now, but the gas this character has in his tank to support all of this is nothing short of impressive.
post #5 of 35

MacKellan and Condon make me interested. A chummy Sherlock Holmes gives me pause.

post #6 of 35
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Presumably he would have mellowed somewhat with age and the onset of memory loss.  I believe the boy in the scene is also his housekeepers' son, so a sort of grandfather/grandson relationship seems logical.

post #7 of 35
I do like the prospect of a Holmes that doesn't lean on physical prowess or sex appeal. Not seen that in a while. Also, I've always been partial to stories about great adventure characters in the winter of their lives.
post #8 of 35

Oh I know, and in the stories Holmes does employ the Baker Street Irregulars, but I always read his character as being cold and gruff on the surface but very passionate underneath.

post #9 of 35
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I'll spoiler tag this just in case, but there's a connection to a previous Holmes adaptation that made me smile.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Nicholas Rowe, who played Holmes in Young Sherlock Holmes, will make a cameo appearance as "Matinee Sherlock" in a film within the film.
post #10 of 35

God help them if Patrick Stewart doesn't have a cameo as Watson.

post #11 of 35
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As much as I love Sherlock Holmes, I do wonder if it's something about *now* that's behind his current vitality, or if it's just pure chance that we've now got four major interpretations of the character banging about. I think the Ritchie-Downey version is kind of over with now, but the gas this character has in his tank to support all of this is nothing short of impressive.

 

As a somewhat recent fan who, prompted by the success of the Cumberbatch show, began recently making his way through the books and short stories, I think he's such an interesting character with so many facets that it's not surprising to see such varied interpretations. I think the characters he gave rise to show how adaptable he is. Batman and Mr Spock, for instance, were supposedly inspired by him and, whilst you would never mistake one for the other, you can see elements of the character in there.
 
He's certainly one of my favorite literary characters; a romantic hero who embodies the value of intellect and is ready to defy authority in order to stand by his sense of morality. No wonder I'm such a big fan of Doctor Who.
 
I think this looks really good and Ian McKellan is one of those actors who I'll willingly give some of my time to. It's also nice to see the Holmes mythology explored from a different angle. I'll definitely watch this.
post #12 of 35

MrSaxon, have you got around to watching the 80s series with Jeremy Brett that was talked about in the Sherlock Holmes-thread? If so, what did you think of it?

post #13 of 35

Yes, I have! Admittedly, I've not managed to watch many of them (around half of the first series as well as some selected episodes in later series to see how they adapted them from Arthur Conan Doyles' stories) as there's quite a lot, but I enjoy what I've seen. Jeremy Brett is really good in the role and it's interesting that Watson is much more the heart of the pair than in other adaptions I've seen. 

post #14 of 35
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As much as I love Sherlock Holmes, I do wonder if it's something about *now* that's behind his current vitality, or if it's just pure chance that we've now got four major interpretations of the character banging about.

 

I think every few decades the popularity of Sherlock Holmes rises again. We're seeing it now but but we also saw it in the mid-80s with the Jeremy Brett series, Young Sherlock Holmes, The Great Mouse Detective, Without a Clue, even a television movie where Sherlock was cryogenically frozen into the modern world.

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Trailer:

 

post #17 of 35

First I've heard of this.  Looks solid, if a bit late to the punch.

 

 

Also, has anyone else read The Final Solution?

post #18 of 35

New trailer. Looks great!

 

post #19 of 35

Going to bump this one up. One of the best of the year. And it should be in a lot more theaters.

post #20 of 35

I tried to make it out to one of two showings of this at a local film festival a couple months back. 

 

Both sold out so fast I never had a chance.

post #21 of 35
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Going to bump this one up. One of the best of the year. And it should be in a lot more theaters.

 

There's only one cinema near me that's playing this and so I was going to wait for home release, but your comment has made me rethink that decision. Might try to see if I can catch it on Monday.

post #22 of 35

If you love Ian McKellen, you have to see this. If you love Sherlock Holmes, you have to see this. If you loved Gods And Monsters, you have to see this.

That covers just about everybody, right?

post #23 of 35

It's quietly powerful.  Measured, never in a hurry.  I loved it.  Ian McKellen and Laura Linney are utterly excellent.

post #24 of 35

A real shame this didn't get a wider release. More Chewers should have had access to it in cinemas.

post #25 of 35
It's a minor gem for sure. Very quaint and English. Lovely Carter Burwell score. I love the central idea that Holmes' final mystery to solve is his own memory.
post #26 of 35

Amazing.

post #27 of 35

Since there doesn't seem to be a post-release thread....this is now on Amazon Prime, so gave it a view tonight.

 

Liked it very much, though I'm not sure I loved it. A deeply melancholy though not dark film. As someone who really fears old age and death, it was some hard viewing but McKellan was, unsurprisingly, very, very good in the title role. Linney's accent - I think she was meant to be Irish - is pretty weak but it wasn't self-parodying so I rolled with it.

 

It's a very understated film, almost to the point of being weightless...almost. A third act crisis teeters on the brink of melodrama but it's redeemed. McKellan brings a humanity to the role, especially when contrasting the confident and arrogant Holmes of 1918 with that of Holmes of 1947. The final shot of Holmes is a lovely bit showing us how Holmes has changed - moving away of embracing "pure" logic to openly acknowledging the value and power in honoring emotional experience.

 

The cameo of the actor playing Matinee Holmes was indeed a wonderful surprise. 

 

Not a film if you're feeling hurried or need immediate payoffs. It's not long but it's paced like a film that quietly, confidently knows where it's going. We're getting spoiled by big blockbusters and shows meant to be binge watched, and it took me a good 30-40 minutes to really settle into the film's rhythms, which are very traditional cinema.

post #28 of 35

I really appreciated that, much like how Unforgiven feels like a capper to every Eastwood western, this feels like the end game for every Sherlock Holmes. You almost don't need any other Holmes movies after this, it kind of sums everything up neatly.

post #29 of 35

Gorgeous movie....

Maybe these belong on the FRAMES thread but here are a few.

 

 

 

 

 

post #30 of 35
I saw this several months ago during its theatrical run, so I might as well get around to sharing my thoughts. A nice, low-key movie, and an interesting take on the Holmes character (in a long line of off-beat Holmeses, like Without a Clue), though I have the feeling it wouldn't amount to much without Sir Ian's wonderful, curmudgeonly performance. Definitely worth a watch, whether you're into Holmes or not.
post #31 of 35
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I really appreciated that, much like how Unforgiven feels like a capper to every Eastwood western, this feels like the end game for every Sherlock Holmes. You almost don't need any other Holmes movies after this, it kind of sums everything up neatly.

 

I had such an odd feeling that I'd long ago seen a bunch of non-existent McKellen Sherlock Holmes movies from the 1970s and 80s, as his performance felt so very connected to a rich past of the character.

post #32 of 35

The film deftly balances Holmes fandom and the heart of the story: an accomplished man in his last days making peace with himself and his mistakes. I think the film works even if you have no knowledge of Holmes at all - some of the references to his earlier cases and people could be a bit confusing, but they're not the focus of the film - but it most definitely also works as Bartleby said, as a capper to the end of a long, storied life. McKellan is magic in this.

post #33 of 35

FINALLY got around to watching this after missing it on the big screen and repeatedly telling myself "I'll watch Mr Holmes tonight!" but ending up doing something completely different.

 

I thought this was fantastic and it's a shame that McKellan wasn't nominated for an Academy Award based on the dual performances he gives here. The Holmes pictured in the flashbacks is so much stronger and comfortable around people than the much older Holmes we follow throughout the majority of the picture. it's a wonderfully layered performance and the scene where he falls to his knees and begins weeping at the apiary put a slight lump in my throat. The child actor playing Roger also deserves praise; somehow managing to bypass the usual annoying child actor stereotype by offering a surprisingly mature performance. It was funny to hear Laura Linney using a Bristolian accent but I thought she was a nice compliment to McKellan. 

 

The answer to the mystery didn't live up to the majority of Conan Doyle's stories but then, it was never truly meant to be the focus of the picture. As a beautifully constructed, intricately paced character piece on the nature of mortality, reaching the end of your years and weighing up the choices you've made, and learning that its never too late to welcome strangers into your life, I thought it was a truly great movie and will certainly add it to my home collection for repeated viewing.

 

Oh, and as the world's biggest fan of Young Sherlock Holmes, I want to shake the casting director's hand for one of the choices made here! 

post #34 of 35

I keep trying to watch this on Hulu and my wife keeps telling me to turn if off because she finds it boring.

 

Man, I watched so many good movies when I was single.

post #35 of 35
Just finished watching this. Fantastic performance by McKellan. I rather enjoyed the coy way they went with Watson, as the doctor was way too young to be him and when we finally see Watson we never really see him at all.

It is a small, sweet film, though I think I prefer Gaiman's "A Case of Death and Honey" to explain away Sherlock's final days.
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