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post #3451 of 4705
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She's the creator of I Like Dick, right? I heard that this morning too.

I'm curious about your takeaway.
post #3452 of 4705
. . . terrified that I'm going piss someone off, or worse, look like an idiot . . .

I kind of look at the 'non-binary' rhetoric (yeah, rhetoric . . . there is no heretofore unrecognized or underrecognized group composed of 'non-binary individuals' . . . its an artifical subgroup created using the languages of gay and transgender movements, possibly simply as a way to increase social capital/standing among peers) as a form of in-group signaling or posturing.

"I'm not only 'straight' or only 'lesbian' or only 'feminine' or only 'masculine'. . . I'm all that!"

Oh, get over yourself honey is kind of the gist of my take away.

Still want to check out her show, though.
post #3453 of 4705
THEIR show, no?

I couldn't resist.
post #3454 of 4705
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. . . terrified that I'm going piss someone off, or worse, look like an idiot . . .

I kind of look at the 'non-binary' rhetoric (yeah, rhetoric . . . there is no heretofore unrecognized or underrecognized group composed of 'non-binary individuals' . . . its an artifical subgroup created using the languages of gay and transgender movements, possibly simply as a way to increase social capital/standing among peers) as a form of in-group signaling or posturing.

"I'm not only 'straight' or only 'lesbian' or only 'feminine' or only 'masculine'. . . I'm all that!"

Oh, get over yourself honey is kind of the gist of my take away.

Still want to check out her show, though.

Yeah, I think this is the other half of it. Personally, I feel that the people denying its artificiality and transparent "fadishness" do a disservice to the LGBT community.
post #3455 of 4705
It comes across like people who feel the need to be a part of some group or clique. "I'm marginalized too!"

We are so concerned with finding an identity to latch on to, when we don't personalize our growth we end up creating these groups and labels to give us purpose but all it does is waste our time.
post #3456 of 4705

I'm straight/cis, but I have a number of trans and gender nonbinary/nonconforming friends. They all seem very well adjusted.

 

Personally, I look at it like this: lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, gender nonbinary - these have all existed historically, and for thousands of years, across different cultures. And as lesbian/gay/bisexual people felt empowered to come out and advocate for visibility/achieve acceptance, trans people did as well. Now that transgendered individuals are achieving awareness and greater cultural visibility/acceptance, people who may have felt nonbinary/nonconforming feel like they have the space to come out and exist. It seems like people that do identify as nonbinary, like Soloway, might not have had words to describe that - or even realized it - until recently. 

post #3457 of 4705
My non binary friends have been careful to articulate that they don't have gender dysmorphia, the incompatibility of plumbing and mindset that constitutes a medically-defined issue. Rather, they don't want to be saddled with the social baggage that demands that boys be like this and girls be like that. Dress how you want, be who you want, fuck who you want.

There is an element of Marxist criticism of the dialectic of linguistic imperialism at play, too. Some elements of the community want to decouple gender from biological sex forever. Some just don't want to be pinned down.

Pronouns aren't that big a deal for me. So, go get yours, people.
post #3458 of 4705
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My non binary friends have been careful to articulate that they don't have gender dysmorphia, the incompatibility of plumbing and mindset that constitutes a medically-defined issue. Rather, they don't want to be saddled with the social baggage that demands that boys be like this and girls be like that. Dress how you want, be who you want, fuck who you want.

There is an element of Marxist criticism of the dialectic of linguistic imperialism at play, too. Some elements of the community want to decouple gender from biological sex forever. Some just don't want to be pinned down.

Pronouns aren't that big a deal for me. So, go get yours, people.

As I mentioned upthread, the pronouns don't matter to me. In real life I'm fey and slim, I don't care about being buff or conveying any sort of hallmark of masculine strength and am attracted to "feminine" aesthetics, and I'm completely unbothered by how others do or do not see me in regards to those things. Perhaps it's the family I come from, because existential baggage is not our thing.

When I listen to someone who talks about being non-binary as if it's this struggle they they endure every day, it more often than not narrows down to aesthetics that they only imagine they're forced to adhere to. If you're a grown person, independent and mobile, then the only one in your way of dressing how you want and fucking who you want, is you.

A read this article a while back and it's heavy, but interesting. I certainly don't agree with everything in it and read a review of Jarmusch Paterson on this site that nearly gave me an aneurysm, but it's worth reading, as are the comments: http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/08/10/coming-non-binary-throws-women-bus/
post #3459 of 4705
That is a great article.

To add to my previous post, and play my own Devil's Advocate, I will say that the most prominent non-binary person in my experience was waiting to see if the hormone treatments and stuff worked, and is now a dude.
post #3460 of 4705
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When I listen to someone who talks about being non-binary as if it's this struggle they they endure every day, it more often than not narrows down to aesthetics that they only imagine they're forced to adhere to. If you're a grown person, independent and mobile, then the only one in your way of dressing how you want and fucking who you want, is you.

 

With the caveat that as a cis hetero male (white, even!) I have no direct experiential frame of reference, but this seems a bit oversimplified for me. Yes, once a person is over a certain age and (presumably) financially independent, they need to claim primary ownership over their thought life and the expectations they place on themselves. However, I can only imagine that someone who doesn't neatly fit into the traditional gender binary have a LOT to work through and struggle with if they grew up in a home and/or hometown culture that aggressively pushed the traditional binary. And despite the loosening of cultural norms over the last decade or so, there's still a bombarding of traditional binary expectations from TV, film, etc. 

 

Again, if you tell me I'm speaking out of my ass I can only cede the argument, since I've not had to fight or struggle to define my expectations of myself in direct contravention of the culture at large (at least not in the same way, intensity, or depth that anyone on the LGBTQ spectrum has to).

post #3461 of 4705
Not only has there been 7 lawsuits against Fyre fest, there is a leaked audio recording of the creator douche telling his employees they're not getting paid... Im on my phone so dont have time to link it.
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post #3463 of 4705
DESTROY THEM ALL
post #3464 of 4705
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DESTROY THEM ALL

 

Wipe them out.

 

All of them.  

post #3465 of 4705
KILL ZEM

KILL ZEM BOOOOTH
post #3466 of 4705
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This Fyre Festival thing is part of the reason this thread exists, yet I'm struggling to get interested in it. The best part of that NYT is the whole bit about an influencers fans turning on them when they sense something "inauthentic". Don't most of these people take butt-selfies and show off their lavish vacations and devotion to conspicuous consumption? Is there some higher level of "inauthentic behavior" that I am unaware of?
post #3467 of 4705
Anyone who is attracted to that kind of meaningless, indulgent lifestyle almost deserves to get had.
post #3468 of 4705
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This Fyre Festival thing is part of the reason this thread exists, yet I'm struggling to get interested in it. The best part of that NYT is the whole bit about an influencers fans turning on them when they sense something "inauthentic". Don't most of these people take butt-selfies and show off their lavish vacations and devotion to conspicuous consumption? Is there some higher level of "inauthentic behavior" that I am unaware of?

 

I guess they're consuming what they like, what they have an interest in to begin with. Makeup, Video Games, whatever, they get their status from their passion and interest. Then a sponsor comes in, and they can tell they are essentially script reading for cash.

 

I have no real clue, I'm too old for this shit. :)

post #3469 of 4705
Because it's been a while since we rambled on this, and because I feel like dropping a link and then scampering off to watch things unfold: George Will weighs in on "cultural appropriation."
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Asks Franklin Einspruch, writing in the Federalist, “Where does new culture come from? It is copied, with alterations, from existing culture. The process is reproductive. Sexy, even. So of course, the outrage-as-a-lifestyle wing of the progressive Left wants to dictate rules for its proper enjoyment."
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John Lennon said, “Before Elvis, there was nothing.” Not really: There was Crudup, and before him there was a long, creatively tangled line of precursors. Elvis, said Mick Jagger, was “an original in an area of imitators.” Actually, no cultural figure is entirely original.

Listening to Radio Luxembourg late one night, teenaged Keith Richards heard “Heartbreak Hotel,” and “when I woke up the next day I was a different guy.” Bob Dylan, a freewheeling cultural appropriator himself, said, “Hearing Elvis for the first time was like busting out of jail.” Those who would wall off cultures from “outsiders” are would-be wardens.
post #3470 of 4705
Gotta love common sense when it rears its head again.
post #3471 of 4705
I'm as PC as they come but I draw the line here too. All art is theft.

I would say maybe do a bit of homework if you're trying to say something about topics other cultures hold sacred, and acknowledge your influences where you can, but absolutely take in what the world has to offer, add a bit of yourself and put it back out there.
post #3472 of 4705

I feel that the 'common sense' line of thinking on this topic becomes framed on such a 'large scale' that I figure... "why not scale it even wider?"

 

If the thrust of history is about one thing building on top of another (which is cool, but naturally comes with "winners and losers" in a pattern that tends to be maintained by the winners), then I would also include the fight/uproar/controversy/repercussions/reparations in that process as a shaper of that appropriated culture.

 

I mean, this 'common sense' wide-scale view tends to ignore the people on the ground level anyway.  So why not ignore that aspect completely and LET THEM FIGHT?  Let the progressive left DICTATE away.  And let it all snap back in their collective faces in unexpected (or fully expected) ways.

 

This is one of those matters that is heavily poisoned by the fact that exposure/success on the ground level is dictated by capitalist/commercial interests.  This, like so many other controversies, stems from the that basic and various other inequalities and systemic biases that all connect together.

post #3473 of 4705
In the purely cultural arena, nooj, I think I'd more or less agree. But I do think it becomes a more serious problem when institutions with actual authority (however circumscribed) start trying to enforce these ideas; it turns from a matter of taste for interpersonal discussion into a dogma of Right Thinking.

You're right on about framing everything in commercial terms, though.
post #3474 of 4705
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I feel that the 'common sense' line of thinking on this topic becomes framed on such a 'large scale' that I figure... "why not scale it even wider?"

If the thrust of history is about one thing building on top of another (which is cool, but naturally comes with "winners and losers" in a pattern that tends to be maintained by the winners), then I would also include the fight/uproar/controversy/repercussions/reparations in that process as a shaper of that appropriated culture.

I mean, this 'common sense' wide-scale view tends to ignore the people on the ground level anyway.  So why not ignore that aspect completely and LET THEM FIGHT?  Let the progressive left DICTATE away.  And let it all snap back in their collective faces in unexpected (or fully expected) ways.

This is one of those matters that is heavily poisoned by the fact that exposure/success on the ground level is dictated by capitalist/commercial interests.  This, like so many other controversies, stems from the that basic and various other inequalities and systemic biases that all connect together.

Oh they're fighting. Nothing is without its ditractors. But it can't snap back in their faces without those dictrators playing a hand in it. Or maybe it can. Either way, I got my bag of popcorn and I'm about to go grab some more butter.

But I don't think we should ignore where these lines of thinking can take us. If humanity has learned anything, it's that the road to hell is paved by good intentions.
post #3475 of 4705
you're not thinking WIDE ENOUGH!!!
post #3476 of 4705
The reason Space Jockeys wanted to waste us is because we became a bunch of dumbasses squabbling over mundane things.
post #3477 of 4705
yeah but space jockeys were dumb too
post #3478 of 4705
Yes but the gigantic penis gun was a win.
post #3479 of 4705
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post #3480 of 4705
Wow. Who cares.
post #3481 of 4705
Is it any wonder clelebrities since the dawn of time have created exclusive clubs for swearing, drugging, hooker beating and eating boiled refugee?
post #3482 of 4705
She apparently said N word in jest of being friendly and funny. I've done that. Who cares.
post #3483 of 4705

I can see her simply going, "what's up, mu'fuckaaaaaaaa?"

 

That's what she says she said.

post #3484 of 4705
Oh everybody's racist except us of course.
post #3485 of 4705

huh?

post #3486 of 4705
Yuh?
post #3487 of 4705

KILL HER!!!

 

(am i doing this right?)

post #3488 of 4705

No, no. 

 

Killing is too good.

 

When you DESTROY somebody, you also take down every trace of their existence so they can never show their face on the 'soesh meeds' ever again! 

post #3489 of 4705
Who the F is Sophie Turner?
post #3490 of 4705
Thread Starter 

The power of google should reveal to you that she's one of the stars of Game of Thrones; she plays Sansa Stark. 

post #3491 of 4705
I need to finally start on that show.

...and stop using Bing.
post #3492 of 4705
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The power of google should reveal to you that she's one of the stars of Game of Thrones; she plays Sansa Stark. 

That's right, there was another controversy with her last year when her character got raped......her character.

post #3493 of 4705

she was in X-MEN ALPACA-LIPS!!

post #3494 of 4705
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she was in X-MEN ALPACA-LIPS!!

 

No one cares about that movie but Fraid!

post #3495 of 4705
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she was in X-MEN ALPACA-LIPS!!

Purple Man's revenge.

post #3496 of 4705
I'll cop to digging that final assault on Alpaca-Lips following MAGA neat-o's (am I doing that right?) good guy turn.
post #3497 of 4705

This is morbid to the extent that I'm hesitant to post about it, but it is connected to the world of social media and internet culture wars... the youtuber Skeptic Feminist, some of whose videos I'd seen and for the most part seemed pretty level headed, was just arrested for murdering his co host.

post #3498 of 4705

Where are you getting that he murdered his co-host?

 

I'm just finding that he shot an as-of-yet unidentified woman.

 

It seems like someone involved with Skeptic Feminist named Harley is commenting on the situation?

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/05/15/atheist-activist-from-colorado-arrested-on-suspicion-of-second-degree-murder/

post #3499 of 4705

I don't think it has been officially confirmed, but people in that general youtube community have been talking about it and it seems to be generally accepted that that's what happened. Bleak stuff.

post #3500 of 4705
Thread Starter 
I haven't heard of any of these people, but all shapes and sizes and all that. Ideology doesn't protect anyone from having problems.
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