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post #4401 of 4678
Man, I remember when I saw 'Sherry, Like the Drink' years ago at a local festival. Always liked that guy. I hope those guys get a hard financial kick in the nuts.
post #4402 of 4678
The real question is, where do I get my Noojnet.com e-mail account?
post #4403 of 4678

It was a grand revelation to me a few years ago that most pop music, like 99.9%, is meant for dancing. The content is completely inconsequential, it's the sound and the beat that count.

 

And the armchair quarterbacks that come out of the woodwork to criticize the INSTRUMENTATION (like whenever Beyonce, who has considerably more depth and concerns than CRJ within her own dance music, wins a Grammy and gets compared to Beck on a quantitative level for the number of goddamn ukuleles used on an album or some shit) not only don't understand this, they wouldn't be caught on a dance floor in the first place. 

 

So people breaking down the music of CRJ are wasting their time. It's meant to be played in clubs, most likely after being remixed by a DJ. She ain't Mozart or even Led Zeppelin, she's autotuned Mad Libs lyrics grafted on to a sick beat. And there's nothing wrong with that. 

post #4404 of 4678
I will never, ever accept the idea that because a work is aimed at a target audience that has no standards, that exempts it from criticism. Get outta here with that noise.
post #4405 of 4678
From what I've read CRJ's new album is explicitly positioned as a disco/club album. From what I've heard, job done.
post #4406 of 4678

As one of the boards' most consistent defenders of pop music, I feel comfortable saying CRJ is fucking great

 

fuck a max landis

post #4407 of 4678

Lightning Slim gets it.

 

Some music is just meant to be uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns SOMEBODY SCREAM uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns uns

post #4408 of 4678
Some music is just meant to be cast off and utterly forgotten when the next vapid dancefloor hit comes along, like disco or the fourteen million twist records that clogged up the nation's record stores before the British Invasion mercifully obliterated them with actual music.
post #4409 of 4678
CRJ is

A) Canadian
B) such a sweet thing woodland creatures help her get dressed in the morning
C) often remixed with NIN to wonderful result

I will hear no uttered word against her.
post #4410 of 4678

Yeah, we're in agreement. Pop music, meant for dancing, is completely disposable and exigent. It is defined by its immediacy, then it's gone. That's why every summer there's a song that is rampant for a few months, then fades until the next hit reminds us of the last one. "Call Me Maybe", "Blurred Lines", "Shake It Off", "Happy", "Can't Stop the Feeling!", "Despacito", and so on.

 

Why you mad, bro? Just dance it out.

post #4411 of 4678

Call Me Maybe?

 

Pretty good.

 

The whole of E•MO•TION? 
 

So good. 

Cut to the Feeling? 
 

Should replace the blood test from THE THING to tell human from monster. 

post #4412 of 4678

Boone has strong opinions on Carly Rae.

 

I'll say this, as someone that doesn't care about her and can't stand Jimmy Fallon most of the time, this is fun and cute as hell:

 

post #4413 of 4678

I honestly didn't realize CRJ had released anything since "Call Me Maybe". I thought she'd come down with Rebecca Black syndrome.

 

This is probably where I find out that Rebecca Black has also released loads of songs.

post #4414 of 4678
That new Mastodon EP is awesome.

That's all I've got.
post #4415 of 4678
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Yeah, we're in agreement. Pop music, meant for dancing, is completely disposable and exigent. It is defined by its immediacy, then it's gone.
Yes, it is as dust in the wind. (No, wait, bad metaphor, that was actually a good song.) Easily forgotten, at least until someone revives it for no reason and/or someone puts it in a movie in order to feel "contemporary" (fun fact: there is absolutely no better way to immediately date your movie.) I'll happily ignore all such nonsense and content myself to listen to all the piles of actually good music out there. But I'll be damned if I let people try to argue that disposable junk cannot be criticized for being disposable junk without calling them on it. Get outta here with that nonsense.
post #4416 of 4678
I think there's a term for someone who hates things other people like, even when those other things work on their own terms.

It's slipping my mind.
post #4417 of 4678
I think there's a term for something that "succeeds on its own terms" by defining "its own terms" down to the point where it takes no effort to achieve them. It's called "laughable horseshit."
post #4418 of 4678

sometimes the stuff you guys get mad about is weird

post #4419 of 4678
We're weird people here.
post #4420 of 4678

Also, do I really need to be the guy pointing out that dismissal of pop music, from Sinatra to disco to CRJ, One Direction, and Carly Rae Jepsen, to name just a few, is a dismissal that's historically been gendered, racialized, and queered? There's a huge portion of study dedicated to the backlash against disco, often led by musicians and DJs who were white, male, and aggressively straight, as being rooted in a reaction to the fact that disco was a safer place for people of color and LGBTQ audiences. 

 

Quote:
 "Who's to say that young girls who like pop music – short for popular, right? – have worse musical taste than a 30-year-old hipster guy? That's not up to you to say. Music is something that's always changing. There's no goal posts. Young girls like the Beatles. You gonna tell me they're not serious? How can you say young girls don't get it? They're our future. Our future doctors, lawyers, mothers, presidents, they kind of keep the world going. Teenage-girl fans – they don't lie. If they like you, they're there. They don't act 'too cool.' They like you, and they tell you. Which is sick."
--Harry Styles
post #4421 of 4678
Well of course you need to be the guy pointing that out, it's like your entire schtick here.
post #4422 of 4678
And anyway, the difference between teenage girls freaking out over the Beatles and chemically-addled people dancing to disco is that the Beatles were actually good. Which is, y'know, the point. Hell, some of today's fad-of-the-moment might be good, too - more power to 'em if that's the case. But don't try and tell me that we can't call bad music bad because the people that like it haven't been taught to expect any better.
post #4423 of 4678

Except time has born out that the major disco artists - Donna Summer, the Bee Gees, Chic, Earth Wind and Fire, to name a few - as well as a wide variety of singles ("Doctor's Orders," "Turn The Beat Around" to name a couple off the top of my head) were actually good, and continue to be good. And it continues to be influential - you don't have the entire hip-hop movement without disco. 

 

And if you go back and look at how the Beatles were received in the moment, there was a whole lot of "oh, teenage girls like this, this is crap" happening around them, particularly those early albums. Same with the Beach Boys or any of those artists who are now canonized. 

 

My point is that pop music is probably both the most maligned and subjective genre of music, simply because for a lot of people, it's defined as "the stuff on the radio I don't like." 

post #4424 of 4678
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

And if you go back and look at how the Beatles were received in the moment, there was a whole lot of "oh, teenage girls like this, this is crap" happening around them, particularly those early albums. Same with the Beach Boys or any of those artists who are now canonized.
Sure. But that didn't change anything about whether the music was actually good - it stands or falls on its own merits, even if it may not get a fair assessment in the general cultural consensus until years after the fact. Which is, again, the point.
post #4425 of 4678

And my point is that disco - a genre as unfairly maligned in its day as those early Beatles records - while not as "iconic" or "canonized" as the Beatles and that era of classic rock has gone through that general cultural consensus, and been found, by and large, to be good. You could also argue that the same thing has happened recently as we've gotten a couple of decades away from the "boy band" era.

 

Is every song from that period good? No. Fuck a 98 Degrees and a Sisqo while you're at it. But I think we can all get behind "I Want It That Way" as a perfect pop song. 

post #4426 of 4678

Since we're talking pop music, can anyone help me ID a band/song?

 

I think it received heavy play for a while in 2012 on various music video channels. Lead singer was a caucasian brunette (think a more mature, sexier CRJ) who showed off her abs in most of the video.

 

Music genre was pop - not as dance-y as CRJ, but not as earnest as Lumineers.

 

Help?

post #4427 of 4678

Lyrics? 

 

It sounds like it could be Paramore. 

post #4428 of 4678
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

And my point is that disco - a genre as unfairly maligned in its day as those early Beatles records - while not as "iconic" or "canonized" as the Beatles and that era of classic rock has gone through that general cultural consensus, and been found, by and large, to be good. You could also argue that the same thing has happened recently as we've gotten a couple of decades away from the "boy band" era.
And we can argue that (and I'll admit that I was being a little hyperbolic in dismissing it entirely.) But we can have that argument because we agree on the fundamental point that it's the music itself that makes it good or bad and not whether it facilitates drunk people in clubs grinding on each other.
post #4429 of 4678
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

Lyrics? 

 

It sounds like it could be Paramore. 

 

Nope! Just found it:

 

post #4430 of 4678

I dig disco. This is my jam right here:

 

post #4431 of 4678

OH GOD KARMIN. 

 

Jezebel once described the lead singer of Karmin as having "perpetual theater kid face" and it's so true. 

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/02/watch-karmin-perform-on-saturday-night-live

 

that's gonna be in my fucking head all day now, thanks mike

post #4432 of 4678
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

OH GOD KARMIN. 

 

Jezebel once described the lead singer of Karmin as having "perpetual theater kid face" and it's so true. 

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/02/watch-karmin-perform-on-saturday-night-live

 

that's gonna be in my fucking head all day now, thanks mike

 

Ha! That seems like a really accurate description. I don't like the weird hair tumor style she was sporting those days but otherwise she hits all the right buttons for me, looks-wise.

 

And I'll make you a deal: you don't call me Mike....and that's it. ;)

post #4433 of 4678

I don't know why but her use of "cheerio" in that song really irritates me.

 

God damn it, Mikey, why did you introduce me to this song???

post #4434 of 4678

Lead singer of Karmin?

 

Would hug. 

post #4435 of 4678

This thread is full of perpetual theater kid face fanciers.

post #4436 of 4678

http://gawker.com/5883775/the-haters-guide-to-karmin
 

Quote:
 Experts tell me that Heidemann suffers from a tragic syndrome known as "theater kid" that manifests itself as extreme and frequent facial and gestural tics. There is no known cure. (See also: Anne Hathaway, Katy Perry, Neil Patrick Harris.)
post #4437 of 4678
Also, if you haven’t seen the Karmin utterly kill Look At Me Now, you haven’t lived. White girl got the goods.

Also, wrt CRJ, the whole PhD dissertation is actually more a commentary on Landis and his fucking absurd bullshit than it is about anything related to Jepsen’s music (which is awesome).
post #4438 of 4678
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

God damn it, Mikey, why did you introduce me to this song???

 

Don't get cheeky, you ponce.

post #4439 of 4678

CRJ is perfectly fine, I got totally obsessed with Call Me Maybe when I first heard it - 24 carat pop classic! Emotion is also really good.

 

Haven't read the Landis thing but I suspect he's building a grand mythology over what is basically just a winning lyrical formula, a bit like how Sia openly writes by coming up with a good metaphorical image and then builds a song around it. Doesn't necessarily mean it's all part of some giant unified concept. But whatever, I'm happy for people to have their fun.

 

Seeing as we're talking about modern music, a culture war drama is going on, perfect for this thread!

 

The AV Club just uncritically boosted a disingenuous hitpiece accusing youtube music critic Anthony Fantano of being 'alt-right':

 

https://www.avclub.com/one-of-the-worlds-most-popular-music-vloggers-moonlight-1819126906

 

Now, I know Fantano's stuff well, and say what you will about his taste in 'edgy' humour (which isn't particularly representative of his overall output, or even that offensive in context), but the idea that he's alt-right is ridiculous. He's a guy who rails against Trump all the time on twitter, vocally supports all your bog-standard left policies and talking points, and champions black artists and music all the time on his channel. Apparently he's even married to a an african american woman! It would take about five minutes of research for these things to become clear.

 

At one point they describe his videos as featuring 'slick editing', which makes me think they must not have watched even a single one of them because if they did they might notice that his videos feature almost no editing.

 

Quote:
Fader has a piece today about the other side of Fantano’s brand, a now-shuttered channel called thatistheplan that had about a third of Needle Drop’s traffic, and was devoted to “meme reviews”—i.e., discussing, replicating, and appearing to endorse the worst kinds of racist shitposting from the depths of places like 4chan and its ilk.

 

I mean, sorry to go on about it but this is a complete lie, and they trot it out so casually!

post #4440 of 4678

I read the underlying piece from Fader, and it seems pretty damning. 

 

http://www.thefader.com/2017/10/03/needle-drop-deleted-youtube-channel-this-is-the-plan

post #4441 of 4678

It's really not.

post #4442 of 4678

Then why did he take the channel down? 

post #4443 of 4678
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

 

Nope! Just found it:

 

I remember this song.

 

Would hum.

post #4444 of 4678
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

Then why did he take the channel down? 

 

Protest over Youtube blanket demonetizing it, supposedly. Bad timing if true, but still. Did you ever watch any of it? It was 99% scattershot whimsy that veered into 'edgy' territory a small handful of times, all of which were cherry picked by the article to suit the angle they wanted to paint of him.

 

I mean, the alt-right are far right white supremacists, right? Watch like any random two of his videos and it will be abundantly obvious that Fantano is not that guy. Look at some of the stuff on his other alternate channel if you want a sense of where his head's generally at. He's broadly a left leaning person who pokes fun of liberal oversensitivity and performative wokeness on occasion. Major outlets declaring him to be 'alt-right' post Charlottesville is indefensible, bordering on irresponsible IMO. There are unambiguous lies in the AV Club piece.

post #4445 of 4678

If you don't know what the alt-right is, Paul, I don't know why you're saying this guy isn't

 

The alt-right is as broad and as fluid a definition of the "dirtbag left," but it includes both white supremacists and the whole 4chan/Reddit/pepe the frog/PewDiePie/"racism, sexism, and bigotry for the lulz" contingent that this guy was apparently affiliated with. 

post #4446 of 4678
post #4447 of 4678

Alt-right means far right white supremacist when convenient, it means 'this person didn't toe the line and I don't want them on my team' when convenient. The two are conflated when convenient. It's a bogeyman outgrouping term, the left's 'SJW'.

 

That paragraph from the AV Club I posted was a lie. Unless tongue in cheek reviews of stuff like Dat Boi and You Are Number One remixes count as "discussing, replicating, and appearing to endorse the worst kinds of racist shitposting from the depths of places like 4chan and its ilk", it's a lie.

 

I'd like to see if anyone can find even a single example of Fantano peddling racism sexism and bigotry for the lulz, or him supporting a single right wing politician or policy for that matter.

post #4448 of 4678
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
 

Alt-right means far right white supremacist when convenient, it means 'this person didn't toe the line and I don't want them on my team' when convenient. 

 

As someone who has spent a large portion of his adult life studying the far right and white nationalism, allow me to rebut: 

Nah.
 

Also, please show me where the guy makes the statement about taking his channel down in protest. 

post #4449 of 4678

Here and here.

post #4450 of 4678
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

As someone who has spent a large portion of his adult life studying the far right and white nationalism, allow me to rebut: 

Nah.
As someone who has spent a large portion of his adult life watching people argue on the Internet, allow me to rebut:

Yep.
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