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post #4601 of 4682
Really fascinating video on parasocial relationships, the co-dependent, one-sided bonds we form with media that seems to speak directly to us, particularly online personalities and vloggers these days:
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Really fascinating video on parasocial relationships, the co-dependent, one-sided bonds we form with media that seems to speak directly to us, particularly online personalities and vloggers these days:

 

You will often see me scoff at the idea of being upset with a celebrity whenever they do something bad, especially those who can't seem to watch their work anymore.

 

The reason I do this is because my relationship with famous people is very clear.  It's of a transactional nature and nothing more.  They are not my friend.  I don't care about them beyond their ability to entertain me, because I don't know them, no matter how many interviews of them I've consumed.  We don't have a real relationship.  So that relationship stays the same even through their DUIs, drug busts, and assaults.

 

Alot of people seem to conflate identifying with a character, with identifying with a person.  I can't remember which actor provided this anecdote (might have been Sean Penn), but the actor played a particularly mean/nasty character, and after the film screened, some woman came up to him and said "I hate you."  The actor corrected her and said, "no, you hate the character."

 

This video perfectly sums up an idea I didn't even know had a definition.  

post #4603 of 4682
It amazes me that people believe their lives are intertwined with those of celebrities on more than a product consumption level.
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I think people's obsessions with celebrities says a lot about how they view their own lives.

Which is why it hurts so much when you realize all of the beautiful people are just as ugly and petty as you are.
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It's one of my biggest hopes that all these celebrities getting ousted results in the death of celeb worship. That shit ain't healthy. 

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Then you have Celeb hate, and I wouldn’t see the difference,
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Not idolizing or worshiping is not the same as hate.

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It's one of my biggest hopes that all these celebrities getting ousted results in the death of celeb worship. That shit ain't healthy. 

Well it does make a certain degree of sense. Religion isn't what it used to be so they have to project those feelings onto something.

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Not idolizing or worshiping is not the same as hate.

But you know how most people tend to swing in polar extremes. Mostly, they never strike the balance of just seeing celebrities as mere people like themselves. The current culture is to be outraged and angry.
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So what I’m getting here is that we’re starting the CHUD Kids YouTube channel where we remake age inappropriate classic/geek films with random children’s characters for the easy paycheck.

Prince Hans slapping Elsa while she shouts, “She’s my sister AND my daughter.”

Dora the Tomb Raider.

Silence of the Lambchop

The Last House on the Left... on Sesame Street

Late and slightly off topic, but I have a memory that only one other person has ever been able to corroborate of an animated version of the Shining being broadcast as a kids programme on British TV when I was a pre-teen - so sometime in the mid to late-80s. A friend of mine independently said he too remembered seeing it, but everyone else thinks we're hallucinating.
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It amazes me that people believe their lives are intertwined with those of celebrities on more than a product consumption level.

 

I once bantered Blade Runner quotes with Don Cheadle on Twitter. I'd hate to think he saw me as nothing but product.

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Late and slightly off topic, but I have a memory that only one other person has ever been able to corroborate of an animated version of the Shining being broadcast as a kids programme on British TV when I was a pre-teen - so sometime in the mid to late-80s. A friend of mine independently said he too remembered seeing it, but everyone else thinks we're hallucinating.
IMDB knows nothing about it, but I'm intrigued. British children's programming in the '70s-'80s could get pretty demented from the little that I've seen.
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IMDB knows nothing about it, but I'm intrigued. British children's programming in the '70s-'80s could get pretty demented from the little that I've seen.

I've scoured the Googles and the other internets but have yet to find anything even approximating it. Youtube tends to be a fruitful hunting ground for material from that era but not in this case.

And yes, it could be a bit of a Wild West in those days but that was juxtaposed with some amazing but straightforward programming that no-one replicates in the recent past. Blue Peter was the bomb, yo. The Adventure Game was odd and cool. Had me going for ages that the vortex really did disintegrate the losers. Will o the Wisp, Morph, Mr Benn. Acid trips for kids. Marvellous stuff.
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Late and slightly off topic, but I have a memory that only one other person has ever been able to corroborate of an animated version of the Shining being broadcast as a kids programme on British TV when I was a pre-teen - so sometime in the mid to late-80s. A friend of mine independently said he too remembered seeing it, but everyone else thinks we're hallucinating.
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IMDB knows nothing about it, but I'm intrigued. British children's programming in the '70s-'80s could get pretty demented from the little that I've seen.

 

I was going to post this in the "Black Friday Swag Thread," but I got this book at half-off through Lulu as part of my ongoing fascination research into obscure British entertainment of the 1970s and 80s. The thing is huge, and vol. 2 is just on the 80s. I'll let you know if I come across anything.

 

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It's one of my biggest hopes that all these celebrities getting ousted results in the death of celeb worship. That shit ain't healthy. 

 

Things like this tend to change over long periods of time.  I think this was a definite tipping point in shattering the illusion of celebrity to a certain extent, but the problem is women tend to be more targeted when it comes to celeb worship with the gossip rags, fashion magazines, boy bands, etc.  And that hasn't really been affected.  I think the main area that's been affected is just all around bad behavior in that industry.

 

Another issue is celebrities are celebrated for the wrong reasons.  Your worth as a celeb should be directly related to how talented you are.  But alot of people tend to worship celebs because of superficial reasons like looks or marquee value, which is more related to money than talent, and even fame itself (famous for being famous).  Some celebs are justifiably valued, but alot aren't.  And alot of them are misidentified as role models... you can't aspire to be like someone you don't even know.  You're just chasing an image.  You can be inspired by their work and use it as motivation for your own goals, but I feel like too many people fall into the trap of grafting themselves onto another person's existence, and when their life inevitably fails to measure up to the role model, depression can become a real issue (I've gone through this).  Too many people don't value their own worth, because society teaches us to worship impractical things like looks, money, social status, etc.

post #4616 of 4682
Celebrity worship will never die. The story goes that when silent movie hunk Rudolph Valentino died at age 31, some fans committed suicide in their grief. The proliferation of media may have made it worse, but this phenomenon has to do with the human psyche more than technology.
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Humans have had a need to worship anything from idols to concepts from the beginning of time. Eventually we’ll learn it out as we become more aware of it. We could blame society for it, but then we are part of that society too. The people behind the curtain are also worshipers.
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I was going to post this in the "Black Friday Swag Thread," but I got this book at half-off through Lulu as part of my ongoing fascination research into obscure British entertainment of the 1970s and 80s. The thing is huge, and vol. 2 is just on the 80s. I'll let you know if I come across anything.

 

 

I might look out for that book. 

 

The non-BBC channels of my youth used to do some great pulp/sci-fi drama series. Robin of Sherwood, Dick Turpin (Richard Carpenter was the goods), The Tripods and Knights of God were favourites, and they still hold up now in my opinion. 

 

ETA - you might find this link interesting if you haven't already seen it.

 

http://www.curiousbritishtelly.co.uk/

 

End of derail...!

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Late and slightly off topic, but I have a memory that only one other person has ever been able to corroborate of an animated version of the Shining being broadcast as a kids programme on British TV when I was a pre-teen - so sometime in the mid to late-80s. A friend of mine independently said he too remembered seeing it, but everyone else thinks we're hallucinating.

We definitely grew up with a lot of the same TV shows, but I don't remember this at all. A must see if it exists, though.

That book looks like something I need to check out, too. Putting the hooded spectre from the "dark and lonely water" PSA right on the cover tells me they're not messing around.
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Humans have had a need to worship anything from idols to concepts from the beginning of time. Eventually we’ll learn it out as we become more aware of it. We could blame society for it, but then we are part of that society too. The people behind the curtain are also worshipers.

 

 

It comes from this weird need for external validation.  Just being us isn't enough.  We need to project fantasies of being "special" through other people/dieties, whatever.

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We won’t be the leaders of our own lives so we make others that.
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We won’t be the leaders of our own lives so we make others that.

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Sometimes I can't tell if Carno is trolling us, or just trying out lines from his FORREST GUMP sequel spec script. 

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I just assumed he has the avengers playing on an everlasting loop

 

or mystery men

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"You must be like the wolf pack, not like the six pack, and understand we're all, like, on our own journey, maaaannnnnnn!" 

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There is nothing wrong with Mystery Men.

Nothing. Ahead of it's time, I say.
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There is nothing wrong with Mystery Men.

Nothing. Ahead of it's time, I say.

Should have been rated "R." Could have taken more of an advantage of that cast if it had done so.
Edited by Overlord - 12/7/17 at 4:31pm
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There is nothing wrong with Mystery Men.

Nothing. Ahead of it's time, I say.

I never suggested that there was!

Though I DO think that movie should've been a lot better than it is.

I BLAME KINKA USHER
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Sometimes I can't tell if Carno is trolling us, or just trying out lines from his FORREST GUMP sequel spec script. 

Sometimes you can’t comprehend what I’m saying or take me seriously so you call me a troll to excuse yourself of that insecurity.

It’s alright though.
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Sometimes you can’t comprehend what I’m saying

Oh, the pain of genius.
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Oh, the pain of genius.

You guessed it. I just have it.
post #4634 of 4682
Nah.

What you have is what you think is a steely-eyed dedication to unvarnished facts, and what everyone else here thinks is lamentably unselfaware, smug, centrist dedication to the speed of history and status quo.
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I’ll take your critique of me in stride then.
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“In stride” is how things go, mainstream.
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Query - Why is "centrist" used like a slur around here?

post #4638 of 4682
Only when it signals inertia and a dedication to long-held privilege, in my usage.
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I guess I’m just not dedicated enough.
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Where is the center located in between trickle-down economics and believing people should have health care?

post #4641 of 4682
Can you guys, like, get back to talking about parasocial relationships?
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The Toronto Sun didn’t spellcheck its own front page today:

post #4643 of 4682
The whole Keaton Jones thing sure took a turn.

I wonder if Chris Evans will take me to Infinity War instead. I was picked on as a kid.
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The whole Keaton Jones thing took a turn.

 

It suuuuure did.

 

For those of you joining us at the break, Keaton Jones is 2017's last milkshake duck: a sweet-looking kid whose tearful lament about bullies made him the internet's avatar for bullying du jour, including invites from celebrities like Chris Evans, LeBron James, and a GoFundMe in the tens of thousands...

 

...cut to the reveal that Keaton's mom is a confederate flag apologist and possible white supremacist, and that Keaton himself may have been bullied because he was using the n-word around his classmates. 

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...cut to the reveal that Keaton's mom is a confederate flag apologist and possible white supremacist, and that Keaton himself may have been bullied because he was using the n-word around his classmates. 

 

As to the first part, it has nothing to do with the kid.

 

As to the second, what is the source on that?  

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I haven't been this livid since Batkid lent his support to the Dakota pipeline.

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As to the first part, it has nothing to do with the kid.

 

As to the second, what is the source on that?  

 

It has everything to do with the kid if the kid was coached or part of his mom's stunt to raise a quick buck. 

http://deadline.com/2017/12/keaton-jones-facebook-video-removed-kimberly-jones-confederate-flag-photos-1202224492/

 

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woof

so very western social media cacophony
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That being said, I do agree with others that the kids' views have little to do with his mother, and that we should view this as a teachable moment for the kid.

 

But we won't.

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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

 

It has everything to do with the kid if the kid was coached or part of his mom's stunt to raise a quick buck. 

http://deadline.com/2017/12/keaton-jones-facebook-video-removed-kimberly-jones-confederate-flag-photos-1202224492/

 

 

Sounds like fake news from the liberal media. 

 

/s

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