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post #1051 of 1174

Body imaging and shaming are a big part of the cultural conversations going on right now, though they're not as prominent as Black Lives Matter or the Women's March back in January. Personally, I think it was a dumb choice by WB (either hire an actor with the actual body needed or drop the needless adherence to source details that ultimately don't matter) but it's not going to stop me from seeing or enjoying it.....but I can understand other people feeling much more passionate about it. 

post #1052 of 1174

Hope there's a scene where she takes Diana to the Winchester and waits for this whole war to blow over. 

post #1053 of 1174

This along with Amanda "The Wall" Waller being skinny in Suicide Squad.

 

WB hates fat people.

 

Just like Stephen King.

 

post #1054 of 1174

Bort saying something right for once!

 

jk i luv u

post #1055 of 1174

Bart?

 

So good.

post #1056 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
 

She's definitely got on some facial prosthetics from the look of it, but it looks more like she's frumpily dressed than wearing a fat suit.

 

 

Lucy Davis in 2016 (site said 2016)...

 

post #1057 of 1174
Wow. I had no idea that was Dawn from The Office when I watched the trailers.

Hmmm.
post #1058 of 1174
They reverse-Chris Pratt'd her.
post #1059 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Call Me Roy View Post

Wow. I had no idea that was Dawn from The Office when I watched the trailers.

Hmmm.

Or that she was Dianne from "Shaun of the Dead"?
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post #1060 of 1174
Yeah but she will always be Dawn to me.
post #1061 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Call Me Roy View Post

Yeah but she will always be Dawn to me.

I never watched The Office UK...so there's that.
post #1062 of 1174
You should correct that.
post #1063 of 1174
^^^seconded. Theres like 12 episodes. You can knock it out on a weekend.
post #1064 of 1174

Lucy Davis is supposed to be playing Etta Candy, WW's sidekick.

 

Here's what she looks like in the comics:

 

 

 

Unless they literally put the actress in a fat suit to play her, why exactly is there an uproar?

 

Surely it's a positive they didn't feel the need to cast a model-thin actress. Unless she was meant as a voluptuous counterweight to how slender Gal Gadot looks in the part and it's all part of a calculated move on the part of the studio.

 

Or... maybe she's portrayed in a stereotypical way in the film and it's not about the casting, but more the writing/direction.

 

 

Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etta_Candy

 

Also... you should for sure watch The (real) Office.

post #1065 of 1174

First Clip is up.

 

post #1066 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post
 

Unless they literally put the actress in a fat suit to play her, why exactly is there an uproar?

 

Prit sure they DID put her in a fat suit.

 

 

 

 

And the uproar is the same as casting a white person to play an Asian character. It's essentially saying there aren't any voluptuous/heavier actresses qualified to play the role.

post #1067 of 1174
Haha

Boycott
post #1068 of 1174
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

 

Prit sure they DID put her in a fat suit.

 

And the uproar is the same as casting a white person to play an Asian character. It's essentially saying there aren't any voluptuous/heavier actresses qualified to play the role.

 

Would the uproar be just as bad if they put her on a weight-gain diet vs. a fat suit?

 

How can we be sure she didn't just naturally gain weight prior to being cast?

 

Sure, she's not wearing a very flattering dress, but that could all be in service of the character.

 

Has it been confirmed that it's a suit?

 

I mean Clooney gained 40 lbs for Syriana.

post #1069 of 1174
Boycott.
post #1070 of 1174
They cast a lady who IRL isn't a Greek Goddess to play Wonder Woman.
post #1071 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

Would the uproar be just as bad if they put her on a weight-gain diet vs. a fat suit?

How can we be sure she didn't just naturally gain weight prior to being cast?

Sure, she's not wearing a very flattering dress, but that could all be in service of the character.

Has it been confirmed that it's a suit?

I mean Clooney gained 40 lbs for Syriana.

"Sorry, Mr. DeNiro. We know you're willing to gain the weight, and you'd be perfect as Al Capone. But we must avoid the uproar."
post #1072 of 1174
Arnold Schwarzenegger? Not an actual cyborg.
post #1073 of 1174
the role was robbed from real-life cyborg Lance Henricksen!!

ROBBED!!!
post #1074 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Slim View Post

"Sorry, Mr. DeNiro. We know you're willing to gain the weight, and you'd be perfect as Al Capone. But we must avoid the uproar."

"Look, we've got Rod Steiger waiting in the wings to reprise the role... Not Italian, you say--? Fuck! Get me Dom DeLuise!"
post #1075 of 1174
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill View Post

Lucy Davis is supposed to be playing Etta Candy, WW's sidekick.

Here's what she looks like in the comics:





Unless they literally put the actress in a fat suit to play her, why exactly is there an uproar?

Surely it's a positive they didn't feel the need to cast a model-thin actress. Unless she was meant as a voluptuous counterweight to how slender Gal Gadot looks in the part and it's all part of a calculated move on the part of the studio.

Or... maybe she's portrayed in a stereotypical way in the film and it's not about the casting, but more the writing/direction.


Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etta_Candy

Also... you should for sure watch The (real) Office.

I find her original incarnation much more...interesting.


post #1076 of 1174

This picture from a fairly recent role shows that she's likely not wearing a fat suit in WW but probably just dressed a little frumpy. 

post #1077 of 1174
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post

 

And the uproar is the same as casting a white person to play an Asian character. It's essentially saying there aren't any voluptuous/heavier actresses qualified to play the role.

 

Not really. 

 

Since any person can CHANGE their weight through diet and exercise in a way that it's impossible to change your race. This is like causing an uproar cause Chris Pratt had to lose a bunch of weight to play Star Lord. What? They couldn't have cast a naturally fit guy!

 

A fat suit (IF she's wearing one which isn't really being confirmed) just cuts out having to spend months gaining and shedding the fat. And as someone that's struggled with his weight his whole life I can FULLY understand not wanting to go that route. 

post #1078 of 1174
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

And the uproar is the same as casting a white person to play an Asian character. It's essentially saying there aren't any voluptuous/heavier actresses qualified to play the role.

Well...............I wouldn't say it's the same.

post #1079 of 1174

All this positive buzz, is DC FINAAAAALLY turning it around?

post #1080 of 1174
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

It's essentially saying there aren't any voluptuous/heavier actresses qualified to play the role.

 

Was casting Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury essentially saying there weren't any one-eyed actors qualified for the role? Did height-privileged Hugh Jackman snatch Wolverine away from a more deserving 5'3" thespian?


Edited by Barry Woodward - 5/19/17 at 11:18pm
post #1081 of 1174

DAMN IT BARRY!

post #1082 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

 

Was casting Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury essentially saying there weren't any one-eyed actors qualified for the role? Did height-privileged Hugh Jackman snatch Wolverine away from a more deserving 5'3" thespian?

 

Those examples have absolutely nothing to do with the issue. 

post #1083 of 1174

We're talking about representation/diversity in film. Are you saying the single-sighted don't matter?

post #1084 of 1174

Representation absolutely matters, but I think there's a world of difference between casting Sam Jackson to play a one-eyed character and casting a skinny actress to play a "fat" one. 

 

Don't be dense. 

post #1085 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

I think there's a world of difference between casting Sam Jackson to play a one-eyed character and casting a skinny actress to play a "fat" one.

 

How so? In both cases, actors who are more physically suited to the role are getting the shaft. Can ya dig it? How many opportunities does a one-eyed actor have working in film and television? Are they likely to be cast as a lead or even a supporting character? In the rare instances that a character is specifically written to be single-sighted, they hire dual-sighted individuals. Maybe they can be background in PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 6 or an accident victim in GRAY'S ANATOMY. You can make excuses about marketability or talent, but then you're part of the problem.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 5/20/17 at 4:57am
post #1086 of 1174

If Leonardo DiCaprio lost his eye in an accident, would his acting ability be worth less? How many DiCaprio-caliber actors are out there that won't even be considered because of their physical circumstances?

post #1087 of 1174

Peter Falk should have played Nick Fury. 

post #1088 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

Representation absolutely matters, but I think there's a world of difference between casting Sam Jackson to play a one-eyed character and casting a skinny actress to play a "fat" one. 

Don't be dense. 

Except they didn't hire a "skinny" actress.
post #1089 of 1174
Oh, no. Barry found the Wonder Woman thread.
post #1090 of 1174

Haha, everyone dancing around how fat is fat.

post #1091 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

Haha, everyone dancing around how fat is fat.

 

Fat IS fat. But I don't think hiring an actress that ISN'T fat  to play someone that IS fat is as bad as hiring a white person to play an Asian or Black or Blackasian role is. 

 

Ya dig? I'm all for someone being comfortable in their respective bodies but I personally know how being fat can fuck with your self-worth. So I don't mind a non-fat actress playing a fat role for those reasons. 

 

Ya dig? 

post #1092 of 1174

It's not equatable. MichaelM going to such extremes! Eat your french toast and sit there being pretty, MM!

 

But it also rubs me the wrong way that people like Barry will drop in to make arguments about eye patches. It's not the same thing, everyone knows it, an obese actress could've played an obese character but didn't. Missed opportunity, but nothing to be done now.

post #1093 of 1174

Barry IS the fucking worst. And should thus be ignored for those very reasons. 

 

#ThatBoyAin'tRight

 

post #1094 of 1174
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

It's not equatable. MichaelM going to such extremes! Eat your french toast and sit there being pretty, MM!

 

Don't be jelly, baby. I'll take you one time.

post #1095 of 1174
Thread Starter 
This debate reminds me of the rather dunce but briefly lived issue that certain groups had with an able-bodied actor being cast as Stephen Hawking. Some guy representing one of those groups actually proposed the idea of casting different actors for different periods of Hawking's life...because paying three or so actors when you can just get one and hope they can all consistently play one person makes all the artistic and fiscal sense in the world.

So she's not fat, so what? Name three actors off the top of your head who've played Hamlet and tell me if any of them have been Danish. Being fat is not like being black or being gay (and there's nothing wrong with a straight actor playing a gay character), you either have a genetic predisposition or you just had a period in your life when cheesecake was your bestie. That's it.

Actors transform, it's part of the job description. You get the actor that you're drawn to and if they need to make some external adjustments, then they do that. They didn't get a 7ft, 300lbs wrestler to play Bane because the most important aspect of that character is the performance, so they got the guy who could that first and made the necessary physical adjustments to get to where they needed to.

This is how it works.
post #1096 of 1174

The Tao of JacknifeJohnny. 

All should follow. 

post #1097 of 1174
Daniel Day Lewis shoulda been cast as Nick Fury. Then he would've just poked one of his eyes out and the argument would be moot.

Moot instead of dumb..
post #1098 of 1174
Ever since that feud with Fat Elvis, Jacknife has a bias...
post #1099 of 1174

A sexy bias though...

 

post #1100 of 1174
Dirty, but sexily so.
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