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Well, the young lead (Thwaites) is Will and Elizabeth's son, so...

I like the implication that we're supposed to believe this new movie is set 20+ years after the third film.  Apparently pirates age really well!

post #552 of 597
Rush looks like he's aged 20 years. The rest? Not so much.
post #553 of 597
Well, this one is ten years after AWE. Adding another ten doesn't stagger the imagination.
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I just find it interesting that we've jumped 20-odd years in the narrative with only one movie in between.

post #555 of 597
Didn't Jack drink from the fountain of youth in the last one?
post #556 of 597
No, he lost interest in drinking from the fountain himself when he learned that it required a sacrifice.
post #557 of 597

According to some fan-compiled timeline, these are the dates:

 

1738 - The Curse of the Black Pearl prologue

1746 - The Curse of the Black Pearl

1747 - Dead Man's Chest and At World's End

1750 - On Stranger Tides

 

So I guess the date for the fifth movie is 1747 + Age of Brenton Thwaites' Character.  Johnny Depp is 53 now, so it's not out of the question that his character is twenty years older than he was in the first movie.

post #558 of 597
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According to some fan-compiled timeline, these are the dates:

 

1738 - The Curse of the Black Pearl prologue

1746 - The Curse of the Black Pearl

1747 - Dead Man's Chest and At World's End

1750 - On Stranger Tides

 

So I guess the date for the fifth movie is 1747 + Age of Brenton Thwaites' Character.  Johnny Depp is 53 now, so it's not out of the question that his character is twenty years older than he was in the first movie.


Interesting.  I was always under the impression that the movies were set much closer to the start of the 18th century (based on no evidence whatsoever).

post #559 of 597
Brenton Thwaites.

Sounds like a character in a Will Ferrell movie.
post #560 of 597
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Interesting.  I was always under the impression that the movies were set much closer to the start of the 18th century (based on no evidence whatsoever).

 

It's a fair assumption because that would put the movies right in the golden age of piracy.  I think for the purposes of stakes the writers wanted to set them in an era where the pirates were starting to be wiped out.  Most of the movies have an antagonist with that agenda - Norrington in the first, Beckett in the second and third, and now Salazar in the fifth.

post #561 of 597
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It's a fair assumption because that would put the movies right in the golden age of piracy.  I think for the purposes of stakes the writers wanted to set them in an era where the pirates were starting to be wiped out.  Most of the movies have an antagonist with that agenda - Norrington in the first, Beckett in the second and third, and now Salazar in the fifth.

That's right. If there's anything this franchise has aimed for, it's historical accuracy.
post #562 of 597

They draw from history only when it's convenient, sure, but the fact that pirates were meeting with more resistance during that period could surely be one of those conveniences.

post #563 of 597
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It's a fair assumption because that would put the movies right in the golden age of piracy.  I think for the purposes of stakes the writers wanted to set them in an era where the pirates were starting to be wiped out.  Most of the movies have an antagonist with that agenda - Norrington in the first, Beckett in the second and third, and now Salazar in the fifth.


I can definitely see them reaching for that angle thematically, what with the business of Beckett's map filing in and the general sense that civilization is ending the age of both mysticism and piracy.  I don't know that that really holds up when there seem to be plenty of pirates running around in all of these movies, though.

post #564 of 597

The supposed "golden age of piracy" was 1650 to 1730, but it wasn't until the 1830s that piracy was said to have died out in the Caribbean.  Jean Lafitte himself was a 19th century pirate. 

 

Although I'm sure we're giving this more thought than we were meant to, it seems to me that even in the first movie, pirates weren't really safe to show themselves outside of Tortuga.

post #565 of 597
I'll wait until I hear from some of y'all. I need to read quite a few positive opinions before I jump back into this pool. On Stranger Tides burned me way too bad. It was it's lifelessness that ultimately undid it. It seriously felt twice as long as it was. Just a tired, ugly boring, nothing of a movie..
post #566 of 597

It is my understanding that the writers have been trying to use New Orleans as a setting for at least the last two movies.  Part 5 ended up ultimately being filmed exclusively in Australia to collect tax breaks, but I guess it's technically still possible some of the movie could be set in the Big Easy.  We need some good new ports to depict after the fourth movie failed to make London look all that much different from Port Royal in the first three films.

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It is my understanding that the writers have been trying to use New Orleans as a setting for at least the last two movies.  Part 5 ended up ultimately being filmed exclusively in Australia to collect tax breaks, but I guess it's technically still possible some of the movie could be set in the Big Easy.  We need some good new ports to depict after the fourth movie failed to make London look all that much different from Port Royal in the first three films.

 

Given the ride's history and placement at Disneyland, I've been waiting for New Orleans to appear in these movies at some point.  I'm not particularly expecting it in DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES, but I'd love to see it.

 

Perhaps for a sixth film (if one happens).  Given the possible timeline, it would only take about another 10 year jump to land Jack in Revolution-era America, which could be a fun backdrop, too, at least for a section of the story.

post #568 of 597
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The supposed "golden age of piracy" was 1650 to 1730, but it wasn't until the 1830s that piracy was said to have died out in the Caribbean.  Jean Lafitte himself was a 19th century pirate. 

 

Although I'm sure we're giving this more thought than we were meant to, it seems to me that even in the first movie, pirates weren't really safe to show themselves outside of Tortuga.

And then started again around 1999 with the invention of Napster. So much bloodshed.

post #569 of 597

I was at the Disney Hollywood Studios park a few weekends ago and checked out their preview attraction for this.  It's basically what looks like the opening action scene from the film, a pretty elaborate bank heist that involves literally stealing the bank, dragging it through the streets of some port town with Jack performing various shenanigans on top of it trying -- and failing -- not to fall off.  It went over pretty well with the audience -- who, granted, were probably just grateful for ten minutes sitting down in air conditioning on a warm weekend -- but it was sort of a microcosm of the series:  a great idea that maybe goes on just a touch too long, and that greatly depends on how you feel about Sparrow as a character.  I'll admit, I thought it looked fun.  Maybe not opening night full price ticket fun, but certainly a matinee.

post #570 of 597

The movie's tracking well.  It seems weird that it's being looked at as a potential franchise rebound - a fourth installment grossing $1 billion dollars is a hell of a privileged placed to "rebound" from - but I suppose the blandness of TIDES did carry the risk of people checking out.  I think the good word of mouth plus the lengthy amount of time Disney has allowed to pass since the last movie are going to pay off at the box office.  If it's a success, that means it won't be the franchise closure it probably ought to be, but if it's a good movie that's all I'm looking for in the near term.

post #571 of 597
Yeah, I think this might be the rare occasion where taking some time away from the franchise may have been the smart play.
post #572 of 597

The trailer I saw for this before GotG Vol. 2 very prominently said "The final adventure begins."  I hadn't heard that in reference to this film until this trailer.  Do they mean this is the last one?  Or that it's setting up a final trilogy?

post #573 of 597

Sounds specifically worded to let them either end or continue the franchise based on the movie's success and make it look like it was all part of the plan in either case.

post #574 of 597
I think every movie now is being sold as the beginning and the ending simultaneously. Nobody cares about the middle!
post #575 of 597

The extended scene they showed in front of Guardians was actually kind of genius.  I'm interested in this franchise again for the first time since the second one.  I laughed at pretty much all of the jokes.  It was beautiful, cool design on the bad guys.  I didn't know I wanted undead sharks but I do.  

post #576 of 597
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I think every movie now is being sold as the beginning and the ending simultaneously. Nobody cares about the middle!

Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.

post #577 of 597
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I like the implication that we're supposed to believe this new movie is set 20+ years after the third film.  Apparently pirates age really well!

I had watched the trailer for this movie but hadn't realized the Henry character is Henry TURNER until I saw a commercial a few days ago. Strange! But kind of intriguing.

 

And really, Dead Man's Chest and At World's End take place almost immediately after Curse of the Black Pearl, right? So what's around 14 years real-time aging for us and the actors is probably about five years more for the characters. So no big deal. 

 

The X-Men: First Class-Apocalypse series has taught me that actors rarely play their age, usually playing younger or older anyway. Like, all we know about Jack in Black Pearl is that he's the captain of the ship, gets stranded and then it jumps ahead eight years later. Johnny Depp was probably 38 or so at the time, but could've been playing younger or older.

 

Also none of this matters. 

post #578 of 597
And this one has flashbacks to teenage Jack, from the looks. They'll either have to define the timeline in a concrete way, or as I'd prefer, not define it at all. Not even giving us a year, just 'sometime in the Golden Age of Bucaneering!' and that's it. Maybe Jack is two hundred years old.
post #579 of 597
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Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.

Thanks. Now I can't get this out of my head.
post #580 of 597

Gossipy new feature article over at Hollywood Reporter on Depp's financial issues and alleged behavioral problems on the PIRATES 5 set.

post #581 of 597
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Gossipy new feature article over at Hollywood Reporter on Depp's financial issues and alleged behavioral problems on the PIRATES 5 set.

Lots of supposed dirt in there, but I don't think it adds up to very much, really.  Lots of accusations made by people who have an interest in Depp not looking very good.

 

I do find the public airing of this kind of stuff to be on the distasteful side, whether the allegations are true or not.

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The comment section for that article is somewhat hilarious although my favorite is the guy stating that Depp is playing a gay French pirate in the PotC movies.

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The comment section for that article is somewhat hilarious although my favorite is the guy stating that Depp is playing a gay French pirate in the PotC movies.

 

 

He wasn't?!

post #584 of 597

I dunno, man. A bunch of other people in the same comment section said he was wrong about that. I honestly don't know who to trust.

post #585 of 597

Depp has been phoning it in for, at least, the last decade with his "colorful weirdo" (as I call) routine. 

post #586 of 597

RE: these accusations.

 

Reminds me of Singer on the eve of X-Men: Days of Future Past (to a degree). Timing is just too damn fishy and, by all accounts over the years, Depp has always been one of the nicest people when it comes to how he treats the crew and his fans.

post #587 of 597
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RE: these accusations.

 

Reminds me of Singer on the eve of X-Men: Days of Future Past (to a degree). Timing is just too damn fishy and, by all accounts over the years, Depp has always been one of the nicest people when it comes to how he treats the crew and his fans.

I visited the set of PUBLIC ENEMIES several times when it was shooting in Wisconsin.  Depp would literally spend roughly an hour every evening after shooting was over meeting the fans that had assembled that day.

 

Just an anecdotal experience, certainly, but I'll put more weight behind that than the mostly-source-less or biased accusations laid out in the piece above.

post #588 of 597

The reviews from AV Club, Screen Junkies and Movie Bob have all panned this, so I'm going to save my money and skip this. Maybe I'll rent it once it hits Red Box.

post #589 of 597

How many seconds is/are the ghost/zombie shark(s) on-screen?

 

That is literally going to make my decision for me.  I'm leaning towards skip myself.  I skipped the 4th in theaters and that was wise.

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This was pretty solid, as good as anyone could reasonably expect.
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This was pretty solid, as good as anyone could reasonably expect.

Is Bardem The film's MVP? That would sell me on a matinee ticket for this.
post #593 of 597
Does he strap Johnny Deep to a chair and caresses?
post #594 of 597

Their backstory goes MUCH further than that.

 

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Is Bardem The film's MVP? That would sell me on a matinee ticket for this.

If you like Pirates movies, you'll like this. Bardem is good, but Rush is probably MVP. It's a pleasant two hours.
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post #597 of 597
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If you like Pirates movies, you'll like this. Bardem is good, but Rush is probably MVP. It's a pleasant two hours.

That's good enough for me. Txs.
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