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post #101 of 2430

Avengers: Age of Whatnow?

 

Seriously, the amount of world building that Miller effortlessly writes into this film could fill 5 Marvel moobies.  And it's small touches and details throughout the film:  The fanatical nature of the Warboys with their wheel altars and chrome filled kamikaze attacks.  The Bog stilt-walkers.  The 'hedgehogs' attacking Furiosa in the beginning.  Small touches that pay off tremendously in getting you to know this world.

 

I was also surprised at how attached I got to the War Rig itself.  That truck is just infused with so much character that I actually felt bad when it blew up.  Along with sadness at the passing of the amazing Nux.  Seriously, Hardy and Charlize share equal billing for being the stars of the movie and both are fantastic in their roles but Hoult is such a revelation here.  I quite like the guy but he's never given a performance like Nux.

 

And the wives!  Oh my god, the wives were so cool!  In roles that could so, so, soooooo easily just be typical damsels in distress they never feel like victims.  And each has their own distinct personality that just shines through.  

 

But yes, I refuse to believe no-one died during filming.  The amount of insane stunts on display are just breathtaking.

post #102 of 2430
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-One single thing I hoped for: That creepy stumped midget to get thrown of the citadel's deck at the end of the film; seriously, Im amazed Miller didnt give us that.

 

The guy who plays him - Quentin Kenihan - is reasonably well known in Australia as a disability advocate and sort of grew up in the public eye (he was interviewed several times by Mike Willesee as kid). I feel like killing his character off might not have gone down that well  - that's just speculation, though.

post #103 of 2430

This movie was pretty good...

 

I wish I hadn't seen the trailers.  Maybe I wouldn't feel sort of let down if I wasn't familiar with basically all of the high spots. 

post #104 of 2430
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hahahaha oh god no

sorry to hear, Freeman

Did you watch ALL of the marketing?

I stopped after the first two trailers.
post #105 of 2430

Dear gods of all that is holy. That was profound. Exhausting. Exhilarating. Fucking amazing.

 

I didn't know movies like this were possible.  All in all, I have a new hero and her name is Furiosa. 

 

 

 

ETA: Saw this in 2d on a shitty screen with shitty sound and it still impresses.  

post #106 of 2430

..And this movie is a perfect PERFECT example of how a soundtrack can work in tandem with whats up on screen to create a total, immersive experience.

 

Man, I love everything about this movie. 

post #107 of 2430

I would estimate that it took a solid five minutes for me to completely lift my jaw from the floor.  Seriously, this was easily one of the best film experiences I've had in years, so much so that I'm wondering how the rest of this year's releases can possibly hope to match the artistry behind the storytelling, design, and performances.  It certainly helped that I had a very responsive, enthusiastic crowd going wild during almost all of the high points, of which there were a ridiculous amount (I was worried about the trailers spoiling all of the most memorable scenes, but they represent approximately 25%-30% of the insanity on display).  Miller's confidence behind the camera would make a director half his age blush.

 

It goes without saying that both Theron and Hardy are great in their roles, but can we take a moment to appreciate Hugh Keays-Byrne as Immortan Joe?  He's effortlessly cool and menacing as a false god who has found his precious corner of the post-apocalyptic world to reign over, and that design is as memorable as it gets.

 

Fantastic all around.  This was such a good experience that I'm almost dreading a second viewing.

post #108 of 2430
I won't go all hyperbolic or anything. But this is a special film, and I loved it. It makes up for all of the shitty or mediocre ones I've sat through at the cinema over the past few years.

Cinema is its own art form, but many movies are simply a hodgepodge of other art forms, squeezed together and (hopefully) creatively shot. It is a real jolt to see someone expertly balance those elements into something unique and potent, something only possible in a feature length motion picture at a proper cinema.
post #109 of 2430
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Avengers: Age of Whatnow?

 

Seriously, the amount of world building that Miller effortlessly writes into this film could fill 5 Marvel moobies. 

 

YES GOOD

post #110 of 2430
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Fantastic all around.  This was such a good experience that I'm almost dreading a second viewing.

 

Exactly. I want to see it again....and again...But, this initial experience was so grand - do you ruin it? 

post #111 of 2430
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The film held up VERY well to a second viewing for me.  

 

I think it was less than a week apart?

 

I ended up catching more subtle world-building details.  Hehehe, I even missed that the Warboys tattooed UNIVERSAL DONOR onto him early in the film (I'm bad about reading onscreen text in movies... yet I love subtitles.  go figure).  So the blood transfusion at the end made more sense.  Not that I cared the first time.  Hahahah

post #112 of 2430

Well that was pretty fucking amazing.

 

I really, really liked Hardy's Max by the end of the movie.  Wasn't sure about it at first.  But it fits the opening voiceover so well - he is a creature of instinct, doing whatever it takes to survive.  He's almost an animal, reduced to grunts instead of dialogue in many places.  And actually Mad from the things he's seen and done in his past.  He doesn't even give himself a name - until the end.  When he finally tells Furiosa his name, you can see himself accepting his humanity again.  He's a whole person again.

 

Mel's Max had a similar arc, but he was more just a selfish/heartless bastard in Road Warrior rather than an animal.

 

My God, Max is a death machine in this.  The bit where he disappears in the fog to take care of the tank-car absolutely killed me.  It's like George Miller said "We know how this is going to end, we don't need to show it so let's just get on with things."

 

Furiosa?  Wow.  Toe-to-toe with Max.  Every step of the way.  That opening fight is an all-timer.

 

So much detail!  So much world!  So much backstory I want to know!  I so want to find out more about Gastown and the Bullet Farm and what kinda crazy shit is going on back in those places.  And what happens after they find out Max took out their Mayors or whatever.  And holy shit, those stilt-walkers in the Bog?  WTF?

 

I love how Miller keeps taking elements from the previous Max films and re-purposes their ideas/imagery in new ways each iteration.  This is how you make things "rhyme".  Things that occurred to me:

- Citadel = refinery (oasis in the middle of the wasteland)

- Immortan Joe = Humungous / Auntie Entity - warlord / quasi-religious figure (more of a story need for a big baddie than anything)

-War Rig = Tanker

- Little guy and Rictus 2nd in command of Citadel = Master & Blaster

- Furiosa = the Warrior Woman (except she didn't die & was way more effective)

- children stranded in desert & taken to salvation = the Vuluvani

 

Maybe it's just the same kinds of archetypes popping up in classical storytelling, but there were so many things here that immediately reminded me of the previous films in new and interesting ways.

 

Have I mentioned the cinematography yet?  When someone said "Lawrence of the Wasteland" they were'nt far off.  Every frame beautiful.

 

Phew, I think that's it for now.  Just had to get it all out.

 

I was about 1/2 way through a Road Warrior rewatch when I browsed the showtimes for Fury Road, and said "fuck it, I can't wait any more!"  Now trying to watch the second half will... dare I say it... pale in comparison.  George Miller you magnificent bastard, only you could top your own movie.


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post #113 of 2430
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YES GOOD

 

WITNESS ME!!!

post #114 of 2430
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WITNESS ME!!!

WITNEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!

 

 

 

post #115 of 2430

One side effect of this movie I didnt expect: That it was so damn good that now I'll probably cave in when September comes and get a PS4 just to play that upcoming Mad Max game.

I need more of this world and universe in my life.

 

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The guy who plays him - Quentin Kenihan - is reasonably well known in Australia as a disability advocate and sort of grew up in the public eye (he was interviewed several times by Mike Willesee as kid). I feel like killing his character off might not have gone down that well  - that's just speculation, though.


Oh, that explains it, and I can see why, but come one...it would been kinda hilarious to see the guy get flung by the Warkids as Furiosa and her crew rise triumphant to the top.

One piece of worldbuilding that stunned me: The ladder climbing slaves used to power the elevating platforms in the Citadel. Straight of the Roman Empire, where such slave labour was used in mines and wells to power such devices, and with a life expectation of mere weeks for each slave.

And while I think the movie is perfect, I still wished we had gotten a more prominent dog of war, ala Wez in "Road Warrior".

Then again, there is only one Vernon Wells.

post #116 of 2430

So I'm trying to figure out Furosia's past.  Is she a former breeder turned general?  That doesn't make any sense to me really, so I'm wondering if that "remember me?" was just her Conan the Barbarian moment of revenge from when she was taken as a kid. 

 

One of my favorite moments is when the most famous wife, Jason Statham's girlfriend the very pregnant Rose almost buys it horribly and violently.  Then Miller is like "Haha!  Audience, you really thought I would kill a pregnant woman??  Pfffft."  And then Hardy gives that little thumbs up and literally seconds later she's fucking dead as shit. 

 

If I didn't feel like my dead silent audience wouldn't judge me I would have burst into laughter.  What a horrible fucking thing to have happen.  You go from the disgusting tumor invested Immotan Joe writhing around on top of you every night to being fucking pancaked, and then while you're still alive and suffering they perform hack job surgery on you. The amount of punishment that character went through is almost comically upsetting to me.

post #117 of 2430

Is it kinda messed up that I actually felt really happy for the Warboy in those images that he got carried into Valhalla to be all chrome and shiny.

 

I'm trying to think of a favourite moment but the closest I can come to one is 'all of them'.

 

Think I should go to a Sunday showing as soon as possible

post #118 of 2430
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Is it kinda messed up that I actually felt really happy for the Warboy in those images that he got carried into Valhalla to be all chrome and shiny.

 

I'm trying to think of a favourite moment but the closest I can come to one is 'all of them'.

 

Think I should go to a Sunday showing as soon as possible


What a fantastic totally fucking bizarre detail with the paint. 

post #119 of 2430
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So I'm trying to figure out Furosia's past.  Is she a former breeder turned general?  That doesn't make any sense to me really, so I'm wondering if that "remember me?" was just her Conan the Barbarian moment of revenge from when she was taken as a kid. 

 

 

She wasn't genetically pure enough to be a breeder.  She alludes that she worked her way up the chain to become an Imperator and drive the War Rig.  All part of a long con to get vengeance for her dead mother.

post #120 of 2430
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So I'm trying to figure out Furosia's past.  Is she a former breeder turned general?  That doesn't make any sense to me really, so I'm wondering if that "remember me?" was just her Conan the Barbarian moment of revenge from when she was taken as a kid. 

 

One of my favorite moments is when the most famous wife, Jason Statham's girlfriend the very pregnant Rose almost buys it horribly and violently.  Then Miller is like "Haha!  Audience, you really thought I would kill a pregnant woman??  Pfffft."  And then Hardy gives that little thumbs up and literally seconds later she's fucking dead as shit. 

 

If I didn't feel like my dead silent audience wouldn't judge me I would have burst into laughter.  What a horrible fucking thing to have happen.  You go from the disgusting tumor invested Immotan Joe writhing around on top of you every night to being fucking pancaked, and then while you're still alive and suffering they perform hack job surgery on you. The amount of punishment that character went through is almost comically upsetting to me.

 

the fact that the pregnant wife was played so brilliantly and scene stealing by the same cardboard prop bay used in Transformers 3 baffles me; here she is absolutely stunning and acts her role perfectly.

As for Furiosa, i think it was clear that she was taken along with her mother by Joe and his crew on a raid, and that she was probably barren or not breeding material, and thus rose as an Imperator; her missing arm stub may be natural, and thus she was not desired by Joe, who desires perfect offspring.

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post #122 of 2430

One minor thing that has always bugged me about these movies since the first one is that Gibsons iconic Interceptor gets so underused.  It's here for maybe 2 minutes of screen time and then trashed. 

post #123 of 2430
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Great stuff.  Gonna be seeing this again opening weekend with a bunch of friends who are all Mad Max mega-fans who are actually gonna dress up for it.  Can't wait to see them completely lose their minds with joy.

By any chance did this happen at the 9:30ish show at the Arclight Sherman Oaks? I think I may have seen you on my way out of the 7:15.

 

Initial thoughts: fantastic. Though once again I fell victim to ATMOS messing up my ability to make out some of the dialogue in the beginning. Oh well, guess I'll just have to go see it again! Maybe in 3D this time.

post #124 of 2430
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the fact that the pregnant wife was played so brilliantly and scene stealing by the same cardboard prop bay used in Transformers 3 baffles me; here she is absolutely stunning and acts her role perfectly.

As for Furiosa, i think it was clear that she was taken along with her mother by Joe and his crew on a raid, and that she was probably barren or not breeding material, and thus rose as an Imperator; her missing arm stub may be natural, and thus she was not desired by Joe, who desires perfect offspring.


ALL of the wives were great. Just great.  If any one of them were a weak link, it would have hurt the momentum - but then, I give credit to Theron for selling this part of the story immediately.  I was sold and rooting for her as soon as she turned to make that detour.

 

Theron's performance is one for the ages.  There was little dialogue in this so these actors had to sell important moments with action or with a mere flash of an eye.  And Theron reigned in that regard.  I also came to a similar conclusion as you to her backstory.

 

Man, so much in this movie that I want to get into more. Backstories, etc.  So much. Depth. 

post #125 of 2430
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Man, so much in this movie that I want to get into more. Backstories, etc.  So much. Depth. 

I get the reaction, definitely.  HOWEVER...

 

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I don’t want George Miller or anyone to ever explain FURY ROAD's gaps or backstory. Leave it to my imagination just this once, please.

 

 

I think this is a very good point.  Let's get into this stuff ourselves instead of having actual movies that try to get into them.  Because we've seen where that road often leads...

post #126 of 2430
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I get the reaction, definitely.  HOWEVER...

 

 

I think this is a very good point.  Let's get into this stuff ourselves instead of having actual movies that try to get into them.  Because we've seen where that road often leads...


I get the point; HOWEVER, I can still want that or rather, be curious about a character's background, and still be satisfied with a movie.  I don't need every bit of character or reasoning explained to me in finite detail. I don't.  

 

But I can be so into a movie and want it.  That's what makes a good movie. That's what makes THIS a good movie. George Miller showed me enough and I still wanted more. 

post #127 of 2430
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Wait, in our 'dueling HOWEVERs' I think we're actually in total agreement.

 

I think the point is to simply leave us wanting more.  Emphasis on 'leaving us' instead of actually trying to milk that stuff in more movies or something.

post #128 of 2430

Dear god, that ending was all kinds of perfect.  No fancy voiceover, no epilogue, no teasing the possible sequel.  Just a nod of acknowledgement before the Road Warrior disappears into legend once again.

 

Can we send some love to the Vulvani?  Because those old girls kicked ALL the ass.  I was very moved by the seed lady's death.  Actually, for a group that literally only show up for the final act, they are all remarkably well characterised.  I cared for all of them and hated when they were killed.  

 

 

 

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One minor thing that has always bugged me about these movies since the first one is that Gibsons iconic Interceptor gets so underused.  It's here for maybe 2 minutes of screen time and then trashed. 

 

Very true, but then you get great moments like "First my blood and now my car" and "OI!  THAT IS MINE!" so it kind of balances out a bit.

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By any chance did this happen at the 9:30ish show at the Arclight Sherman Oaks? I think I may have seen you on my way out of the 7:15.

 

Initial thoughts: fantastic. Though once again I fell victim to ATMOS messing up my ability to make out some of the dialogue in the beginning. Oh well, guess I'll just have to go see it again! Maybe in 3D this time.


Hah, no, it's happening on Saturday at the Dome.  But glad to hear there are brothers and sisters in spirit out there.

post #130 of 2430

For those who want more background on the world and characters, aside from the making off book, there is going to be  a series of one shot comics made by Vertigo/DC for Max, Furiosa and Inmortan Joe, I believe.

However, Miller, in all his genius, made it so the comics will start to get published after the movie's theater run, around may 20.

post #131 of 2430
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Wait, in our 'dueling HOWEVERs' I think we're actually in total agreement.

 

I think the point is to simply leave us wanting more.  Emphasis on 'leaving us' instead of actually trying to milk that stuff in more movies or something.

 

 

Haha, HOWEVER....*raises pint in solidarity*   Its been a LONG time that I've seen a movie that made me want more. 

 

 

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Dear god, that ending was all kinds of perfect.  No fancy voiceover, no epilogue, no teasing the possible sequel.  Just a nod of acknowledgement before the Road Warrior disappears into legend once again.

 

Can we send some love to the Vulvani?  Because those old girls kicked ALL the ass.  I was very moved by the seed lady's death.  Actually, for a group that literally only show up for the final act, they are all remarkably well characterised.  I cared for all of them and hated when they were killed.  

 

 

I love those women.  We (my friend and I), made a point of sitting through the credits to find out who those actresses were. Especially the Seed Lady.  In a sea of incredibly unique and memorable characters, they stood out and left quite an impression. 

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For those who want more background on the world and characters, aside from the making off book, there is going to be  a series of one shot comics made by Vertigo/DC for Max, Furiosa and Inmortan Joe, I believe.

However, Miller, in all his genius, made it so the comics will start to get published after the movie's theater run, around may 20.


Available on iTunes for download, btw. I found them last night when i went there to get the soundtrack. 

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I pity the poor individual for whom the film doesn't click (for whatever reason it happens sometimes).  

 

Statistically, it must be so.

 

Well... I'll get to that in a second.

 

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Great stuff.  Gonna be seeing this again opening weekend with a bunch of friends who are all Mad Max mega-fans who are actually gonna dress up for it.  Can't wait to see them completely lose their minds with joy.

 

I wish I could have seen it with that kind of crowd. Sure, the giant screen 3D showing turned out fine and there was no rude behavior once the film started but judging by the zero reaction to anything in the film, the lack of applause at the end and some conversation I overheard, they didn't seem to like it either.

 

Yes, I am the "poor individual" for whom the film didn't click. I realize how much in the minority I will be thinking that way (at least online) but to clarify I am not someone who enjoys the Transformers films at all and I am much more about action movies like Pacific Rim and last year's Godzilla. I've seen the first two Mad Max movies my share of times and even though they had flaws and were pretty weird, I still dig them due to their style and I HAVE been looking forward to this, and not just because there's been hundreds of teases of a 4th for as long as I remember and I used to think it would never happen. Between that and the near-universal praise I never in my life could have expected I would feel this way about it; never in a million years did I think I could reject this despite the incredible action, which was breathtaking and filmed in the best way possible.

 

What ruined it for me... as it does so often, the story and characters was its downfall. I just did not enjoy that incredibly bizarre world at all and I could not reconcile that it's in the same world as the 1979 film. Being weird for weird's sake and looking like you're trying way too hard to "be cool" is just not my thing and that movie overdosed on that, being way stranger than even the previous three films. I ultimately ended up not caring about the plot at all or the fate of any of the characters. Nevermind that Max is at first a real asshole, shooting at a pregnant woman and otherwise being a prick for no real good reasons to those dames. I did not root for him after that. Then there's the plot contrivance of him suddenly having a daughter and flashbacks happening at the most inopportune times. Then again I thought the story was full of contrivances.

 

Sadly, the movie lost me rather quickly with that way too odd world, seeing dumb shit as a band that travels with the evil caravan and plays at all times and characters I was never given a reason to care about and not even action that great could rope me back in because it was with people I just did not care about.

 

If everyone thinks I am a dick for feeling this way that is OK. Maybe it's just that most of the big budget movies of today don't work for me, but this left me quite disappointed and I am sad I don't love this like everyone does.

 

Before anyone asks, no I am NOT one of those awful "Men's Right Activists" who hate this even before seeing it because they are horribly sexist and hate hearing that women play a big role in this installment. I am definitely fine with the idea of the plot being centered around those ladies and none are the "damsel in distress". I wish the opposite sex did have more of a chance in Hollywood and I hope for a future where they are treated better. Like I keep on stressing, the story & characters were a swing and a miss for me.

post #134 of 2430
I had a very similar audience. During the moments where the film went silent, you could hear a pin drop. These poor people did not understand what they were getting into. Which, fuck you. It's Thursday night screening you joyless pricks.

Story? What story? Although I disagree about character. Furiousa is a hell of a character, and Max is good fun too. While they might not be sketched out Immortan Joe and guitar guy are certainly iconic as hell. How many Immortan Joes are we going to have come Halloween? God knows I'm going as Road Warrior Max.
post #135 of 2430

my crowd wasn't very reactive, either. save for the girl sitting next to me, no one responded visibly or audibly to what was on the screen.

 

that worries me. having said that, no one seemed to dislike it. with "Noah", it was clear from the fade out everyone hated it.

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Sorry guys.
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What for?? Is this one of your jokes I don't get?
post #138 of 2430
There is a clear story. You may not like it, but to deny that it's there seems a little odd. What Miller does remarkably well is divulge more details about the characters, their motivations, and the world with each scene, even when it's all action. You can enjoy the film solely for the spectacle, or you can choose to engage with the ideas beneath the surface.
post #139 of 2430

A little bit of behind the scenes for people who have seen:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hatTUJT0Kxg

 

I especially like the bit where Hugh-K.B. is telling the Warboy extras "You look amazing!" and them giving the prayer-sign back.

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What for?? Is this one of your jokes I don't get?

Sorry that your crowds weren't better.
post #141 of 2430

This was probably the quietest theater crowd I've ever encountered.  At one point, a quick visual scan showed a lot of 'em with open mouths and wide eyes. 

 

And a lot of them stayed through the end credits (like we did).  My overall impression was that they liked this movie quite a bit.

post #142 of 2430
I thought it was pretty good.
post #143 of 2430

The Nerdist weighs in:

 

 

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This is simply an amazing piece of genre filmmaking, and, frankly speaking, 90% of the Hollywood action film community just got schooled by a 70-year-old veteran. All we ask is that you take notes. 

 

 

Mad Max: Fury Road - Opening Night Review / Nerdist

post #144 of 2430
The lack of reaction was pretty much the standard, I guess - my screening, and the friends I convinced to watch this with me, were pretty non-responsive. But as we walked out, and I was all set to apologize, they told me they LOVED it. And at least some (if not all... then again, this could be an overwhelming case of confirmation bias) of the crowd was awed rather than under-whelmed, I think - again, this is very anecdotal. Queues to pee aren't exactly the best places to gauge reactions to a movie... or maybe they are. Either way, the women around me (mostly Arab / European) were pretty much impressed, and Charlize Theron was universally praised. Heh.

NO ONE CARES ABOUT MAX.

"Was that guy Bane?"

"Yeah, Hardy."

"Yeah, he's pretty hardy."

"Who cares? Charlize was AWESOME!"
post #145 of 2430

I CARE ABOUT MAX.

 

I think the extremely low key and understated way Hardy plays him is genius.  It really helps to ground the movie while all this insanity is happening around him.  He was exactly what was needed and doesn't distract from Furiosa's story at all.

 

I find it strange that Perfect Weapon found this world TOO weird.  To me, it felt a lot like the best parts of Thunderdome.  Master Blaster and Bartertown are actually hella weird and perfectly in line with Joe's Warboys.  And it plays perfectly into the continuing theme of this series where the world becomes more crazy and chaotic the further we get away from the breakdown of society seen in the first film.

 

I also didn't find Hardy's Max particularly less sympathetic than Mel's version.  That was still a character who would only help a group of besieged innocents if they paid him in gasoline.  He adapts to the world around him and as such, doesn't trust anyone until he knows he can.  

post #146 of 2430
I was thinking about this movie quite a bit this morning, during my stroll to the train (no doubt because I was listening to the soundtrack during my journey - good advice, Mcnooj).
 
The odd thing is that, amidst all of the explosions and the violence, the majority of what I remember are the quieter moments. I think about the Vulvani woman who dies quietly in the seat of a car with a contented smile, and the way her fellow Vulvani raise their hands in sadness when another is killed. I think about the amusing look of annoyance on Max's face when he not only misses a shot with limited bullets but then has to concede the weapon to Furiosa and then sit still as she balances it on his shoulder. I think about his "What the f-?" look when he walks around the War Rig to be confronted with several beautiful women bathing in the middle of a desert. I think about Nux's final moment. Actually, I've been thinking a lot about that since seeing the movie. 
 
I really love Nux's character arc. In a movie buoyed by two strong lead performances, Hoult brings a wonderful naivety and joyful enthusiasm to the character that I found incredibly endearing. It's a testament to the performance that I buy his turnaround despite it occurring in only a few short scenes. He's so in awe of Joe that a single look from the man can reduce him to a state of giddiness and, when Nux's big plan goes terribly wrong and he's declared "mediocre" by his God, Hoult perfectly conveys Nux's disappointment and sadness, followed by the reclaiming of both his place in the world and his individuality. The character spends the first half of the movie searching for a reason to die, but he doesn't see how dying for Joe is meaningless. His final act is completely his own, and it's one that has substance. He's told early in the movie that he risks getting some of Max's madness through the blood transfusion, but I think he actually inherited some of his goodness. 
 
I've seen people complain elsewhere about Max being a supporting character in his own movie but I don't think that's necessarily true. I think that Max and Furiosa share the lead role together. Max starts off as an animal - long-haired and feral - who declares himself driven by only one impulse: "To survive". He states that he's constantly running away from both the living and the dead but, by the time we get to the third act, he goes against that one instinct and throws himself headfirst against the oncoming danger because he's found a greater purpose. He's no longer running away but toward something. 
 
I know I've already mentioned how much I enjoyed Hardy here but it's true. He does a lot with very little, and most of his acting is done with body language and grunts. The bond between him and Theron's character feels real, and the look between them at the climax - of two warriors who survived something together and accomplished something amazing - is the perfect close to the movie. I like the fact that Max finds somewhere he can ultimately settle down but opts not to. That's very Max. I like to think, having found his humanity again, he's on his way to find others in the wasteland who need his help. A ghost. A myth. Always moving in one direction but never staying.  
 
God, I need a sequel to this movie so damned much.
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It's a testament to how ingrained Dune has become to me when fictional desert civilizations are presented, that while all these magnificent events were happening in front of my eyes my inner Fremen was screaming about all the wasted water and fuel and ammo.

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It's going to seem weird talking about being grounded in a Mad Max film, but I felt like this film was so far removed from the more believable extrapolation of the previous films that it felt like it was taking place on another planet, not a post-apocalyptic Earth.  There was a definite period of "What the fuck is going on?" adjustment for me early on.  And so much of the film is so massively overwhelming, the very definition of a visual assault, that a second viewing seems almost essential after using the first one to get your bearings.  I read somewhere the idea that only the first Mad Max actually happens, and the other two films are legends and folk tales told about Max, passed down and embellished by time and distance.  And in that sense, you could view Fury Road as the guy who got his ass handed to him by Max -- one of the survivors from Humongous' gang or Blackfinger from Bartertown -- telling an over-the-top tale of Max's exploits to make him even surviving the encounter a victory.

 

I was a little disappointed that we didn't get more of the various war bands attacking the war rig.  It seemed to be setting up a constant rolling battle with different bands taking their shot, a sort of heavy metal The Warriors with Max and crew trying to reach their Coney Island.  And I also thought the motivation for the third act was a little undercooked.  It almost felt like, "Well, we have to turn around and go back, or else there's no final chase."  Maybe it might have worked better had they come to this decision as a group, after the reveal that they'd already passed through the Green Land and there was nothing left out there, rather than having Max have to run them down and explain it to them.  And I never got the impression that was supposed to Max's daughter in his visions, just a girl whose death he feels responsible for.  She does call him "Max" all the time, so it never felt like a father-daughter relationship.

 

All this sounds like I didn't like the film, but I did.  A lot.  Just maybe not with the breathless excitement most seem to have.  I do plan to see it again to see if it plays better once you know what to expect from it.  I hope it does.

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And I never got the impression that was supposed to Max's daughter in his visions, just a girl whose death he feels responsible for.  She does call him "Max" all the time, so it never felt like a father-daughter relationship.

 

 

Now, I could be wrong, but I'm 95% certain that she calls him "Pa" when he's sitting alone on his bike and she's encouraging him to go after Furiosa.

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Got the soundtrack.

 

LOVE the Brothers In Arms track.

 

If you're gonna get a digital version, go with iTunes over Amazon.  The iTunes version has more tracks.

So I listened to that track first based on some hazy memory of this post.  And it starts off great, and I'm like, yeah, this is an excellent track.  And it is going, and I'm digging it, and it is full of energy and verve.  And then it hits the key element in the middle, and I actually catch my breath.  I get sincerely verklempt listening to the last half of the track, because I remember how emotionally compelling I found this sequence, and the music is legitimately fantastic.

 

This was the moment in the movie where I knew I was going to immediately buy the album, and it is better than I hoped.  I need to pore through the rest of the soundtrack, but I'd buy it for that track alone.  I'd buy it twice.

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