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post #501 of 1173
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Originally Posted by BruceL View Post

Isn't it kind of a problem that a film composer has to have two other composers come help?


It's a situation you generally want to avoid, yes.  It's curious that they're not replacing Johansson's score, but are rather supplementing it and reworking it (with Johansson still involved, apparently).  That's kind of an odd move.  Even so, plenty of great movies have had scores replaced (or reworked), so it's not a sure-fire sign of major trouble with the film.

 

And honestly, I wasn't sold on Johansson as being a great fit for this movie in the first place.  I'm like the one person who found his ARRIVAL score to be a big ol' bag of nothing.

post #502 of 1173
It doesn't look like there are replacements, it looks like there is collaboration. I'm perfectly fine with this.
post #503 of 1173

Zimmer did two of the Nolan Batman films in collaboration, so he has experience working with other composers.

post #504 of 1173

And BvS with Junkie XL.

post #505 of 1173

Hasn't Zimmer been accused of being a brand name for a team of ghost writers half the time anyway?

post #506 of 1173
Zimmer hasn't been interesting since the first Pirates of the Caribbean.
post #507 of 1173

Zimmer hate is so over done. The Interstellar score is incredible!

post #508 of 1173
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Originally Posted by AtomTastic View Post
 

Zimmer hate is so over done. The Interstellar score is incredible!

 

As its own thing, that score is incredible.  As a part of the movie, it often doesn't work for the simple fact that it overpowers the visual image and drowns out dialog.

 

And I'm a big fan of Zimmer in general.  Love his work for RUSH, INCEPTION, and MAN OF STEEL.  DUNKIRK is growing on me as well.

post #509 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

 

As its own thing, that score is incredible.  As a part of the movie, it often doesn't work for the simple fact that it overpowers the visual image and drowns out dialog.

Hmmm... nah!

post #510 of 1173
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Originally Posted by AtomTastic View Post
 

Hmmm... nah!

 

I said 'often'.  A score should work in harmony with the visual image, never distract from it.  That's more of a sound mix issue than a problem with the score itself, though.

post #511 of 1173

Wasn't a problem for me.

post #512 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

 

I said 'often'.  A score should work in harmony with the visual image, never distract from it.  That's more of a sound mix issue than a problem with the score itself, though.


I know what you're getting at.  I think INTERSTELLAR's mix is objectively flawed, and I think even Nolan recognized this, because DUNKIRK - which is somehow an even louder film than INTERSTELLAR - has a much clearer and more balanced mix.

 

I do think Zimmer's INTERSTELLAR score is unquestionably one of his greatest, though.  Any time you use an organ like that, you've got me.

post #513 of 1173
A glimmer of hope on the Deckard/Replicant question:

Says Villeneuve:
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I was raised with the first [movie], and then later on, I discovered what was the original dream of Ridley. So I really loved his version, too. The key to making this [new] movie was to be in between. Because the first movie was a story of a human being falling in love with a designed human being -- an artificial human being. And the story of the second movie is a replicant that doesn't know he's a replicant, who slowly discovers his own identity. So, those are two different stories. I felt that the key to deal with that was in the novel of Philip K. Dick. Which was that, in the novel, that characters are doubting themselves. They are not sure if they are replicants or not. From time to time, the detectives are having to go and perform [tests] on themselves to make sure they are really humans. I love that.

So I decided that the movie... Deckard, in the movie, is unsure, as we are, of what his identity is. Because I love that. I love mystery. That's an interesting thing to me. I really love that. Again, Harrison and Ridley are still arguing about that. If you put them in the same room, they don't agree. And they start to talk very loud when they do. It's very funny.

If they still can't agree, then maybe we're getting the best of all worlds - a movie where Villeneuve teases both possibilities and refuses to resolve it one way or the other. In a story where the very meaning of what it is to be human is questioned, I would possibly dig that even more than just a straight out "he's human." And certainly more than the hackey alternative.
post #514 of 1173
Okay, while I'm still ambivalent about this, "put more Philip K. Dick in it" is never a bad plan.
post #515 of 1173
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Okay, while I'm still ambivalent about this, "put more dick in it" is never a bad plan.

FIFY

post #516 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Belloq87 View Post
 

 

Any time you use an organ like that, you've got me.

 

post #517 of 1173
Officially rated R for "violence, some sexuality, nudity, and language."
post #518 of 1173
How much is "some?"
post #519 of 1173

Enough for most us to say "Not enough."

post #520 of 1173
What kind of sexuality are we talking here? Man on Replicant?
post #521 of 1173

Replicant on washing machine.

post #522 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

What kind of sexuality are we talking here? Man on Replicant?

Leto on Leto
post #523 of 1173
Finally.
post #524 of 1173

Letosfuck 

post #525 of 1173
Letosfuck?
Pretty good.
post #526 of 1173
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Originally Posted by RCA View Post


Leto on Leto


Does he mail the used condom to himself afterwards?

post #527 of 1173

We've already had Fassbender on Fassbender from another Ridley Scott production so WHY NOT!

post #528 of 1173

New International Trailer

 

post #529 of 1173

Was just going to post that.  We finally get a hint as to the overall plot, and unfortunately...it seems a tad generic.

 

The action looks good, though.

post #530 of 1173

I am just afraid this is going to be another Ghost In The Shell.

post #531 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

Was just going to post that.  We finally get a hint as to the overall plot, and unfortunately...it seems a tad generic.

 

Summaries of Sicario and Arrival would read pretty generic, too. I'm holding out a bit of hope for Villeneuve....but this undoubtedly has a lot more studio fuckery in the mix than either of those.

post #532 of 1173

Oh, I definitely trust that the finished product will have more meat to the plot than what is indicated in the trailer.

post #533 of 1173
Nah.
post #534 of 1173
A rip roaring action adventure sequel about Rick Deckard teaming up with a hot young sidekick to stop a mad scientist from taking over the world with his robot army? It's what Philip K Dick would've wanted.
post #535 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

A rip roaring action adventure sequel about Rick Deckard teaming up with a hot young sidekick to stop a mad scientist from taking over the world with his robot army? It's what Philip K Dick would've wanted.

Yeah that's disappointing.

If the Replicants are really humans, or the Replicants are now making babies in a "life finds a way" kind of progression, then maybe there's some meat there. I'm really just hoping for something to engage my brain in any way while my eyes are feasting. I don't want another Avatar.
post #536 of 1173
Not gonna watch it, but I'll assume Leto is the villain from what you are all saying.
post #537 of 1173
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Originally Posted by HunterTarantino View Post

Not gonna watch it, but I'll assume Leto is the villain from what you are all saying.

 

Oh, the trailer. NM. 

post #538 of 1173
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Originally Posted by felix View Post

I am just afraid this is going to be another Ghost In The Shell.

Even if this sucks, the director of Arrival I'm sure will make something vastly more interesting than the director of Snow White and the Huntsman
post #539 of 1173

The director's the most intriguing part about it. I couldn't give a shit otherwise.

post #540 of 1173
I'm hoping like hell that that's a deceptively actiony trailer designed to trick the norms into seeing a faithful sequel. Dammit, I'm going to insist on being optimistic all the way until October.
post #541 of 1173

Please be good, please be good, please be good...

post #542 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

I'm hoping like hell that that's a deceptively actiony trailer designed to trick the norms into seeing a faithful sequel. Dammit, I'm going to insist on being optimistic all the way until October.

It can have as much action as it wants, to me the only part of that trailer giving me pause is the suggestion of a Replicant army/force and a straightforward villain using them to some end. The good guys/bad guys dichotomy has no place in BR, to me. It's grays all the way down - human or replicant, good or bad, free or slave, etc is all shades of gray in the original. Any sequel that tries to clean up the shades isn't doing right by the material, IMO.
post #543 of 1173

I have a lot of preconceived notions about what a Blade Runner movie should be.

 

That's probably hurting my estimation of this movie, a lot.

 

But I don't know how to get away from that. Why call this movie Blade Runner if you aren't interested in the same vibe that the original had? Something that was really unique.

 

This looks like a well-made sci-fi actioner with cool designs and shit. I'd probably be decently excited about that if it wasn't attached to something that was so much more than that.

 

I disagree with the comments about "Well it's from Villeneuve so we're gonna get a meatier plot than what the teasers show..."

 

I, personally, don't want a meatier plot! I want less of a plot than what the teasers are hinting at! Blade Runner isn't about plot, it's about aesthetic, atmosphere, and theme.

 

More plot is exactly what is going to turn this into something like the live-action Ghost in the Shell.


Edited by wasp - 8/22/17 at 1:33pm
post #544 of 1173
I doubt it'll be terrible, it'll probably look great and be competently enough made. But I'm not expecting much more than a stock modern 'serious' blockbuster with the Blade Runner aesthetics slapped on it.

Maybe it'll have some interesting ideas about humanity being made redundant by technology, but, ehh...
post #545 of 1173
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Originally Posted by wasp View Post

 

I, personally, don't want a meatier plot! I was less of a plot than what the teasers are hinting at! Blade Runner isn't about plot, it's about aesthetic, atmosphere, and theme.

 

More plot is exactly what is going to turn this into something like the live-action Ghost in the Shell.

Agreed. Plot has already been in the way of the first film 4 or 5 times now...

post #546 of 1173

 I can see the logic behind  making this more of an action movie to do something different than the first one, but that doesn't feel like Blade Runner to me. I want to see a dark movie where all the characters are shades of gray, not a generic action movie set in the future. I will still see this in theaters to make up my own mind.

post #547 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

It can have as much action as it wants, to me the only part of that trailer giving me pause is the suggestion of a Replicant army/force and a straightforward villain using them to some end. The good guys/bad guys dichotomy has no place in BR, to me. It's grays all the way down - human or replicant, good or bad, free or slave, etc is all shades of gray in the original. Any sequel that tries to clean up the shades isn't doing right by the material, IMO.

 

Studios can't confuse audiences about who's good and who's bad, don't you know anything!  

 

The original was basically an independent film.  A studio based sequel was always going to be McBlade Runner.

 

Little known fact:  Scorsese was supposed to direct the original.

post #548 of 1173
I can't wait for the part of this where the villain looks at the hero and goes "we are not so different, you and I!" and the studio executive who demanded that be in there looks over at Villeneuve and is all like get it? 'Cause, like, heroes aren't always good people? DUDE. Imagine if they'd had that kind of nuanced writing in the old movie!
post #549 of 1173

"You know what this incredibly unwanted movie needs?"

 

"What Ridley?"

 

"MORE DICK! HAW! Now excuse me I have make another shitty Alien movie because I clearly don't give a fuck anymore."

 

"Is he talking about Philip K. Dick or....?"

 

"Don't worry about it. We'll just add stuff in the director's cut to make him happy."

post #550 of 1173

How many people thought SICARIO was an action film from the trailers? It has action in it, but it's not an "action film."

 

I'm expecting the same from BR2049. Trailers are meant to put butts in seats and aimed at generating interest in the widest swath of people possible.

 

I really, really doubt Villeneuve has gone into mid-90s action film mode for this.

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