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post #851 of 1173
Going dark. No more BR until next Sunday at Waterloo Imax.
post #852 of 1173
Fuck, that Rolling Stone non-spoiler review just blasted the last skepticism from my eyes.... I'm so fucking excited for this. If you told me 10 years ago... or 3 years ago.... that in 2017 I'd be overjoyed about going to see a sequel to Blade Runner but pretty lukewarm on seeing the new Star Wars film, I'd have laughed in your face.
post #853 of 1173
I hope you like the movie, analog, for your sake!

I'm happy that there's a high probability that I'll come away loving it, but I very rarely get into hype these days. Guess you can put that down to me not so attached to expectations as I used to be, but just having a reason to go to the movies excites me plenty these days.

I liked Arrival, loved both Prisoners and Sicario, but didn't really fall for Enemy. It was almost too inaccessible. Other than that, it feels safe to assume this movie will be alright in the least, and who knows how great at the most.
post #854 of 1173

Browsed through the BMD review. I am going to guess that's how half of you receive the film.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It was somewhat mixed. It sounds like it's just three hours more of the same.
post #855 of 1173
Well yeah..

That and...FUCK YEAH I LOVE ME SOME SCI-FI NOIR!!!
post #856 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

Fuck, that Rolling Stone non-spoiler review just blasted the last skepticism from my eyes....
Admittedly, that's a strong sell there, if his take is accurate. I'm still skeptical on a few fronts, but I think I've moved to "probably going to see this." Can't promise I won't be bitching about it in the post-release, but at least there's the prospect that maybe the reenergized Harrison Ford we saw in TFA will get to be in a movie that doesn't completely waste his performance.
post #857 of 1173
The Force Awakens was the first time I felt I was watching the Harrison Ford we all grew up with since Air Force One. The movie loses its soul the minute he leaves it.

And holy shit the reviews on this are Fury Road good.

Viewing plans:

International theatrical (my preference)
Final Cut (I've never seen it!)
Maaaaaybe the shorts
post #858 of 1173
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Originally Posted by HunterTarantino View Post

International theatrical (my preference)
 

 

My man.

post #859 of 1173

I've seen a few versions of the movie. I think there are 7 or 8 cuts I still haven't seen.

post #860 of 1173
If this pulls off the same minor miracle as Fury Road, I will truly feel like I have lived in the best of times.
post #861 of 1173
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If this pulls off the same minor miracle as Fury Road, I will truly feel like I have lived in the best of times.

Well.... or that we got the "American Reich... but good movies!" Timeline.
post #862 of 1173

Fury Road didn't require the viewer to be familiar with the previous Mad Max films. By all accounts (in both the good and bad reviews), seeing the original Blade Runner is said to be a requirement to be able to follow what's going on.

post #863 of 1173

Amongst this crowd though, what's the difference? We've all seen the previous films for both properties. I understand if people want to bitch about the sequel relying on the previous film to be more enjoyable, but I don't think that's the point Lightning was making. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think he's saying he'd just be happy if this decades-later revival respects and honors the film(s) that came before it.

post #864 of 1173

aw man, I have to power through the original film to be able to better enjoy the new one?

 

eughhhhh

post #865 of 1173
That's kind of how these things work.
post #866 of 1173

I don't think Fury Road really worked like that (as Jamie said above).

 

I'd seen the first two Gibson movies, but I don't think that really added much to the experience of actually watching the movie.

 

 

ANYWAY, I actually don't mind!  I just have a hard time getting through Blade Runner.

post #867 of 1173

True story. Gosling once complimented my best friend's naked ass.

post #868 of 1173

True story. I once woke up next to a naked Gosling in bed. I DIDN'T COMPLAIN!

post #869 of 1173

Was he gentle?

post #870 of 1173

Only with his eyes. 

post #871 of 1173

Hah, unrelated -- I just learned yesterday that Gosling was cast in the Notebook because was considered unattractive by Cassavetes.

post #872 of 1173
Gosling sat in front of me at my graduation. I guess his sister was graduating from the same school, and he got priority seating because of his unattractiveness.
post #873 of 1173
Did you whisper things into his ear? Smack him on the back of the head?

Or did you just sit there minding your own business.
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Hah, unrelated -- I just learned yesterday that Gosling was cast in the Notebook because was considered unattractive by Cassavetes.

I thought it was cause he could buy Gosling spending 7 years building a house for a girl to come back to him.
post #874 of 1173
So if we need to watch the original to fully get the new one.... which version? Because the endings are honestly different enough that it should make a difference.

My wife has never seen Blade Runner, so I'm having her watch Final Cut this weekend, but depending on how the new film picks up that may or may not be the right choice. If Rachel died after her 4 years was up, well then the Final Cut is canon. If she lived for an unspecified period of time, then it could go either way. If she lived for a decade or more then clearly the Theatrical Cut ending is the legit one. This also matters because the interpretation of the origami unicorn is hugely influenced by that coda - in one cut, it's a reference to Rachel. In the other, it's a reference to Deckard himself.

I'm so psyched that this is apparently good, but it's weird not knowing which version of the film they're using as a jump-off point, especially with folks saying that the first is required viewing.
post #875 of 1173

Wow. Sounds like this is actually pretty good. Color me pleasantly surprised.

 

The Final Cut is the only BR movie you need to see before this one.

post #876 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

So if we need to watch the original to fully get the new one.... which version? Because the endings are honestly different enough that it should make a difference.

My wife has never seen Blade Runner, so I'm having her watch Final Cut this weekend, but depending on how the new film picks up that may or may not be the right choice. If Rachel died after her 4 years was up, well then the Final Cut is canon. If she lived for an unspecified period of time, then it could go either way. If she lived for a decade or more then clearly the Theatrical Cut ending is the legit one. This also matters because the interpretation of the origami unicorn is hugely influenced by that coda - in one cut, it's a reference to Rachel. In the other, it's a reference to Deckard himself.

I'm so psyched that this is apparently good, but it's weird not knowing which version of the film they're using as a jump-off point, especially with folks saying that the first is required viewing.

 

Here's what Denis Villeneuve says,

 

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 “The very first one and the last one, the 2007 very final cut, you know? I have a tendency to go toward the very final cut.”

 

http://www.thewrap.com/blade-runner-version-which-to-see-denis-villeneuve/

post #877 of 1173
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Here's what Denis Villeneuve says,


http://www.thewrap.com/blade-runner-version-which-to-see-denis-villeneuve/

Weird way to say it. "The very first and the very last."
Well... yeah. Me too. If he's "leaning" one way but won't flat out say that's the one he's drawing from, then my hope of hopes is that he's chosen to preserve enough mystery that either will play well.

Honestly, if they made a movie in 2017 that DOESNT spoil a 34-year old mystery by over explaining it, it'll be a minor miracle.
post #878 of 1173

I don't much care for the new teal and orange color correction of The Final Cut though.

post #879 of 1173
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I don't much care for the new teal and orange color correction of The Final Cut though.

The new BR2049 posters clearly disagree!
post #880 of 1173

OK, good to know that THE FINAL CUT is the version that we should refer to in terms of the new film.  I was planning a rewatch this weekend with my wife and, while I prefer the unrated theatrical cut, I want to get my mind in synch with the one that is considered 'canon' for the new film.

post #881 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post




If he's "leaning" one way but won't flat out say that's the one he's drawing from, then my hope of hopes is that he's chosen to preserve enough mystery that either will play well.



Honestly, if they made a movie in 2017 that DOESNT spoil a 34-year old mystery by over explaining it, it'll be a minor miracle.

 



He basically said just that in an interview a few months ago, he spoke a bit about how he thought the ambiguity surrounding Decakrd's background was important to preserve. It was very encouraging to hear. And as you said, if he can make a successful sequel without answering that question, I tip my hat to him.
post #882 of 1173

My skepticism is a warm, fuzzy blanket. I've gotten so used to it...was very happy (of course) with Fury Road and Guardians of the Galaxy for allowing me to set it aside and just ENJOY some good movies. If I can set it aside again, I'll welcome it.

 

The positive reviews are giving me hope.  That little featurette didn't help at all and I'll be happy if this movie kicks all sorts of ass. I need a good...really really good, science fiction movie right now. 

post #883 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

So if we need to watch the original to fully get the new one.... which version? Because the endings are honestly different enough that it should make a difference.

My wife has never seen Blade Runner, so I'm having her watch Final Cut this weekend, but depending on how the new film picks up that may or may not be the right choice. If Rachel died after her 4 years was up, well then the Final Cut is canon. If she lived for an unspecified period of time, then it could go either way. If she lived for a decade or more then clearly the Theatrical Cut ending is the legit one. This also matters because the interpretation of the origami unicorn is hugely influenced by that coda - in one cut, it's a reference to Rachel. In the other, it's a reference to Deckard himself.

I'm so psyched that this is apparently good, but it's weird not knowing which version of the film they're using as a jump-off point, especially with folks saying that the first is required viewing.

 

I'd have assumed The Final Cut whether he had said anything or not, given that was Ridley's preferred version. I find it unlikely Villeneuve would have got and kept the job had he intended, or managed, to negate that.

 

Workprint for the win, though, boys and girls, if we're living int he parallel universe where Scott doesn't age into a state of fundamentally misunderstanding his own movies.

post #884 of 1173

Question for those who lived in the age of "no unicorn visions"... had everybody since the theatrical cut of the film always assumed that Ford's character may be a replicant, or is that a more recent thing due to Ridley's post tinkering?

post #885 of 1173
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I'd have assumed The Final Cut whether he had said anything or not, given that was Ridley's preferred version. I find it unlikely Villeneuve would have got and kept the job had he intended, or managed, to negate that.

 

Workprint for the win, though, boys and girls, if we're living int he parallel universe where Scott doesn't age into a state of fundamentally misunderstanding his own movies.

 




I'm not sure if it's a matter of age, honestly. While I fundamentally reject the idea that Deckard's not a human, there are certainly clues, even in the original release version, that Scott had intended him to be a replicant. Now, that doesn't mean he is definitively, Ford and Fancher would beg to differ, but I don't think it's something Scott wanted to add into the film only as he aged.

I would point to almost all of Gaff's interactions with Deckard as proof of what Ridley had in mind even while filming. Even aside from the final lines of dialogue spoken to Deckard and of course "man's job", the first time we see him speak with Rick he's blatantly disrespecting him.
post #886 of 1173
Oh, wow, the Village Voice review does give away some stuff. Delicious spoilers.
post #887 of 1173

I'm with Nooj on this - a rewatch required? Eeeuugh.

 

I'll likely just read a summary of the 2007 version and see this one. I don't remember which version I watched 10 or so years ago, but given that I've had no desire to revisit it at all, I don't know that I can make myself even for this.

post #888 of 1173
If you don't like "Blade Runner," then you flunk the Voight-Kampff test!
post #889 of 1173
the wut?
post #890 of 1173
WATCH THE MOVIE, NOOJ
post #891 of 1173
I ordered the final cut 4k bleu-rae

and this is despite already having access to the 5 disc bluray set...
post #892 of 1173

Hurray!

post #893 of 1173
Nooj flunks the VK, too.

You're all Replicants.
post #894 of 1173
that's what wiggly thinks!
post #895 of 1173

filth

 

I will get you for this

post #896 of 1173

"What's a Nooj?!"

 

"You know what filth is, right?"

 

"Yeah."

"It's like that."

post #897 of 1173

I think giving so-called "great" films you never warmed to another chance every ten years or so is a good idea. I never liked Blade Runner that much until something like my third or fourth viewing. Things change, you change, and suddenly old mysteries make sense. Such experiences can be very rewarding. But it'll never happen if you don't go back.

post #898 of 1173

Blade Runner is a boring, pretty looking movie that was saved by its production design.

post #899 of 1173
Thanks for settling that for us, Ambler.
post #900 of 1173
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
 

Blade Runner is a boring, pretty looking movie that was saved by its production design.


Not a fan of Hauer's performance? Here is a fun bit of triva, after Anne Rice wanted Hauer to play Lestat after watching Blade Runner. The movie is also referenced in Queen of the Damned.

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