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https://twitter.com/FilmBayona/status/877792728435662848

 

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 Exciting news coming very soon!! #jurassicworld

 

Trailer? 

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TRAILER FOR A TRAILER?!
post #104 of 428

heheheh

 

fallen kingdom

post #105 of 428
Maybe a poster with too much Iron Man?!
post #106 of 428

I really want to see a Jurassic Park film about people selling dinosaurs on the blackmarket. 

post #107 of 428
I wanna see one where it's just people dealing with the long lines, sunburns, expensive food, broken-down rides and general bullshit you experience at a theme park.
post #108 of 428

Poster's going for The Lost World vibe. 

 

 

 

post #109 of 428
Needs more Iron Man.
post #110 of 428

Huh. 

post #111 of 428

I want that proposed sequel involving Dino/Human hybrid soldiers. 

 

Then have these Dinosaurmen RIDING OTHER DINOSAURS! 

 

 

post #112 of 428

It's an okay title.  I don't know why the poster needs sparks and embers, though; that poster trend needs to die quickly.

post #113 of 428
The Lost World had a dope holographic poster with the T-Rex smashing through the logo.

#TeamHologram
post #114 of 428

So are we finally going to see a volcano erupt in this one?

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How will this park fail?

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How will this park fail?

They built it in space, duh.

 

I, personally, will feel dissapointed if it doesnt involve Dr Wu and his Island of genetically modified dinosaur hybrids.

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They built it in space, duh.

 

I, personally, will feel dissapointed if it doesnt involve Dr Wu and his Island of genetically modified dinosaur hybrids.

And he has a dwarf that looks like him?

post #119 of 428
Fallen Kingdom?

I hope this takes place in an off brand "Pagan Park" in the Saudi Desert, where American Evangelicals can take in some T Rex riding Jesus.... Who is played by a washed up whoever Chris Pratt was. When a now radicalized Ian Malcolm shows up and manages to sabotage the park it's up to Chris Pratt and a happens to be shoe shopping in the area Bryce Dallas Howard to save everyone from these definitely not millions of year old beasts!
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And he has a dwarf that looks like him?


And he's just created a new breed of Five-assed T Rexes?

post #121 of 428

Better titles:

 

Jurassic Galaxy

Jurassic Odyssey

Jurassic 3D World

post #122 of 428

The next one should be called JURASSIC WARFARE dammit!

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Jurassic Wizarding World of Harry Potter
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The problem with the Jurassic Park franchise is that, while its concept is genius, it's good for exactly one film - and Spielberg realised that film perfectly in 1993. It's been said umpteen times before, but the film's main strength is the contrast between horror and wonder, and because that was done so well, it can't be done again. 

 

Jurassic Park is like Jaws in that a sequel to it is inevitably going to be a logical but less interesting continuation (The Lost World, Jurassic Park III), a retread (Jurassic World), or take the story in silly, gimmicky directions (Jurassic World). Stuff like genetically modified dinosaurs, or dinosaur commandos, or a human-dinosaur hybrids are totally out of sync. with the themes and tone of the original film.

 

I've no idea what the premise for a 'proper' Jurassic Park film could be mind, I'm just complaining that they're continuing to make incredibly lucrative films that I don't need to watch. 

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I agree with you, Rex, that Jurassic Park realized the concept fully and the sequels sort of tred water. However, I'm open to seeing other possibilities, it's just that the writing is always lacking to these sequels. They forget just how much debate the characters (as scientists) were having in the first movie. The movie created discussion and intrigue at its concept for audiences to chew on before shit (chaos) hit the fan. The first movie is very well written. 

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As a halfhearted defender of Jurassic World, I have to agree with Carno here. A big part of what people remember, and quote and meme and gif, from Jurassic Park is all the great dialogue that stems from the ideological debates between the characters. And how that dialogue also drives the story forward by setting up elements like how raptors hunt in packs, how the t-rex sees, how life will find a way, etc.

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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
 

The problem with the Jurassic Park franchise is that, while its concept is genius, it's good for exactly one film - and Spielberg realised that film perfectly in 1993. It's been said umpteen times before, but the film's main strength is the contrast between horror and wonder, and because that was done so well, it can't be done again. 

 

Jurassic Park is like Jaws in that a sequel to it is inevitably going to be a logical but less interesting continuation (The Lost World, Jurassic Park III), a retread (Jurassic World), or take the story in silly, gimmicky directions (Jurassic World). Stuff like genetically modified dinosaurs, or dinosaur commandos, or a human-dinosaur hybrids are totally out of sync. with the themes and tone of the original film.

 

I've no idea what the premise for a 'proper' Jurassic Park film could be mind, I'm just complaining that they're continuing to make incredibly lucrative films that I don't need to watch. 

 

I think The Lost World and Jurassic World both had perfect ideas for sequels. One was the idea of: what would an entire island of dinosaurs free of fences, living on their own be like in the 20th century. The other, what would Jurassic Park be like as a fully functional park open to the public. Unfortunately, the execution to both ideas were left wanting. 

 

This Jurassic World sequel looks like it's going in the direction of The Lost World with dinosaurs free to roam in the 21st century, there's still a lot to explore there.

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Don't almost all genre franchises suffer from a great first film then a steady stream of fan ficish retreads? Aliens you got 2 good ones I guess.

Superheros kind of are different but they cheat hy having a lot of open ended stories and even then there are plenty of clunkers.
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I think it used to be where sequels never matched up to the originals. We're kind of living in a different world where there are great sequels coming out all the time.

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I think there used to be an expectation that sequels were just a cash-grab that studios didn't have much faith in. So they'd be made quick and cheap.

 

If Godfather Part II showed that a prestige drama could have a great sequel, then Aliens and Terminator 2 proved franchises could maintain or even improve (debatable) their quality.

 

That doesn't necessarily mean sequels are better these days because studios throw money at them and rely on them for profit. But it does raise the odds. This is, perhaps, more likely when you have the filmmaker-driven series, like the aforementioned Cameron sequels and, these days, Nolan with Dark Knight and James Gunn with Guardians. 

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Don't almost all genre franchises suffer from a great first film then a steady stream of fan ficish retreads? Aliens you got 2 good ones I guess.

Superheros kind of are different but they cheat hy having a lot of open ended stories and even then there are plenty of clunkers.

 

I'm not arguing against sequels at all - a lot of my favourite movies are sequels. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Aliens, James Bond, Batman, Lethal Weapon, Rocky - these are all franchises whose premise naturally extends to sequels; something like Jurassic Park doesn't, for the same reason a sequel to Titanic or Gladiator wouldn't. The resolution of the idea closes the chance for 'natural-feeling' sequels. 

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I wonder if some of the problem is that you have a main character that isn't human in the genre films so it's really hard to create a story that extends beyond "wow a monster!". Especially in JP since the extent of the dinosaurs motives are "hungry".
post #133 of 428
You have a point. There's not really a "Ripley" of the series. We love Grant and Malcolm but Malcolm doesn't really work as a lead in the second film (he's much better as a supporting character) and Grant doesn't really have anywhere to go as a character in the third.
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It really isn't that a Jurassic sequel can't work, it's that it has to be as original as Jurassic Park to do so. Take for example Grant's dialogue from the first film, "Two species separated by 65 million years of Evolution has just been suddenly thrown back into the mix together. How can we have the slightest idea what to expect?" 

 

The movies should surprise us by using science and research to create a debate about the world we live in and our relationship to it. Dinosaurs bridge the gap between mythic, truth, and history because they are so far removed by time itself, back when CO2 levels were so high that the planet was almost nothing but a giant stew of humid jungle and animals were fucking HUGE.  Living, breathing dragons.  But they were actually real. The evolutionary train is thrown off its track as humanity brings them back into the fold. Trevorrow and to an extent Spielberg have both made this mistake of creating stock villains who have no clear debate (Hoskins in Jurassic World and Ludlow in The Lost World). We know they're wrong. We know they're going to create chaos by their very actions.

 

The first movie showed us a John Hammond whose dream and good intentions becomes a tragic centerpiece of catastrophe. It seemed to be right. Who doesn't want to see dinosaurs? Who doesn't want to answer the mysteries of our universe while simultaneously admiring these creatures as flesh and blood beings?  As Ellie says, "I made a mistake too, and I didn't have enough respect for that power, and it's out now!"

 

The audience must be seduced by the wrong side of the debate. And what did Trevorrow do? He created a simple minded argument that is already answered. Of course it's a stupid fucking idea to train Raptors to become military weapons. We laugh at Hoskins. He means nothing to us. Ludlow is just being Hammond 2.0 except he doesn't care about people. Awesome. I can see where this is going already! 

 

I don't blame these directors choosing these avenues as Michael Crichton is very much guilty of these terrible 2-D villains in his book. I much prefer Spielberg's Hammond over his, if not for the fact that Spielberg understands the mind of showmen and that they aren't terrible people. They're just obsessed and end up creating terrible things. Not because they want to, but because the public demands it! So who demanded the I-REX? We never get a perspective on that. We're not seduced to want to know this creature or to consider its existence.  Nope, it's just a crazy animal. No use feeling for it.

 

The dinosaurs should be given scenarios where the confusion of debate allows them to become the metaphor of moral and ethical critical thinking. And we should remember that moral and ethics is not so easy to discern. 

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I don't blame these directors choosing these avenues as Michael Crichton is very much guilty of these terrible 2-D villains in his book. I much prefer Spielberg's Hammond over his, if not for the fact that Spielberg understands the mind of showmen and that they aren't terrible people. They're just obsessed and end up creating terrible things. Not because they want to, but because the public demands it! So who demanded the I-REX? We never get a perspective on that. We're not seduced to want to know this creature or to consider its existence.  Nope, it's just a crazy animal. No use feeling for it.

I very much agree about Spielberg's Hammond being immeasurably superior to Crichton's Hammond, but even acknowledging Crichton's penchant for somewhat stock, arch antagonists, I think there's still room to mine Crichton's novels for some of that complexity you're looking for in your larger points.  Both the JURASSIC PARK and THE LOST WORLD novels do feature compelling philosophical conversations about ethics, entertainment, science, business, and the like; some of these conversations - the ones about the practicalities of getting a theme park like Jurassic Park actually functioning in a "safe" way for public consumption - would have been great guideposts for building some of the larger themes for JURASSIC WORLD, but that ship has sailed. 

 

I'd be really interested in seeing a story about a massive company grappling with the implications of what happened in JURASSIC WORLD.  What does the world think about it?  What is to be done with the dinosaurs on the island?  How - in a PR way - does a company even begin to clean up the mess?  Into that, you introduce various factions with different agendas (some sympathetic, some not), plus follow-through on the notion that InGen is no longer the only entity capable of cloning dinosaurs.  That doesn't sound like a recipe for an action-packed blockbuster (it's probably more of a pitch for a corporate thriller than anything else), but it's a story that I'd like to see.

 

But even just on a more visceral level, I'd like to see the filmmakers go back to Crichton for some of the big setpieces from the novels that none of the movies have touched yet:  a T-rex raft chase through rapids, a super tense stalking sequence in the Visitor's Center's underground parking garage, an extended sequence of the guests under siege by various dinosaurs in the park's hotel, an infiltration of raptor nesting grounds inside volcanic caves, and a pretty wild vehicular chase involving raptors and a carnotaurus.


Edited by Belloq87 - 7/1/17 at 9:23pm
post #136 of 428
Man, you just reminded me that all of the cut material from the first book would have made a better Jurassic world.
post #137 of 428
Belloq! BELLOQ!

You don't think I want a Carnotaurus? I've been dying years to see a Carnotaur in a Jurassic film!

I aggree, Crichton's novels are filled with all sorts of goodies that nobody is touching. I can't believe Trevorrow never dug into the novel for them.

But, word is that they might have done it this time. We shall see.
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Word? Who's word? Where are you getting your words?
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TREBELLOW!

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Oh come now Carn you know better than to listen to that creature.

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I'm a sucker.

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Originally Posted by Belloq87 View Post
 

I very much agree about Spielberg's Hammond being immeasurably superior to Crichton's Hammond, but even acknowledging Crichton's penchant for somewhat stock, arch antagonists, I think there's still room to mine Crichton's novels for some of that complexity you're looking for in your larger points.  Both the JURASSIC PARK and THE LOST WORLD novels do feature compelling philosophical conversations about ethics, entertainment, science, business, and the like; some of these conversations - the ones about the practicalities of getting a theme park like Jurassic Park actually functioning in a "safe" way for public consumption - would have been great guideposts for building some of the larger themes for JURASSIC WORLD, but that ship has sailed. 

 

I'd be really interested in seeing a story about a massive company grappling with the implications of what happened in JURASSIC WORLD.  What does the world think about it?  What is to be done with the dinosaurs on the island?  How - in a PR way - does a company even begin to clean up the mess?  Into that, you introduce various factions with different agendas (some sympathetic, some not), plus follow-through on the notion that InGen is no longer the only entity capable of cloning dinosaurs.  That doesn't sound like a recipe for an action-packed blockbuster (it's probably more of a pitch for a corporate thriller than anything else), but it's a story that I'd like to see.

 

But even just on a more visceral level, I'd like to see the filmmakers go back to Crichton for some of the big setpieces from the novels that none of the movies have touched yet:  a T-rex raft chase through rapids, a super tense stalking sequence in the Visitor's Center's underground parking garage, an extended sequence of the guests under siege by various dinosaurs in the park's hotel, an infiltration of raptor nesting grounds inside volcanic caves, and a pretty wild vehicular chase involving raptors and a carnotaurus.

 

Give it 5 - 10 years, and we'll see that with an HBO series.

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Leaked animatronic T-REX photos!!

 

 

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*leaks in pants*
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Glad they're aiming for more of a balance between CGI and animatronics this time out.

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it'll all be covered up with CG in the end

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it'll all be covered up with CG in the end

 


Don't ruin this for me, Nooj!!!!!!!!!

post #148 of 428

c'mon CARNO

 

THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!

 

 

"ooooh weeee we shot our movie on REAL FILM!!!!"

 

(digitally grades it into oblivion)

 

"oooooh weeeee, we created a live practical THING for our remake/prequel!!!"

 

(CG monster rampages everywhere)

 

 

Didn't clom's movie also make a show about how it was going to feature practical creatures?  lots of good that did it!

 

CLOM!!!

 

 

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Didn't clom's movie also make a show about how it was going to feature practical creatures?

Not quite. 

 

They were throwing around some general "Animatronics are great" type stuff for a while, but I believe Frank Marshall (or someone on his level in the production) let the cat out of the bag many months ahead of the release that there was only one (partial) AA dino in the film.

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smart move by Marshall (or whoever it was)

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