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post #401 of 436

8 years at 184 with 2 opt outs.  First opt out at 3 years.

 

GREAT for Cubs.  Let him opt out after 3(and at least 2 World Series) and sign our guys.  Great deal.

post #402 of 436

I just read that.  I'm 100% cool with that.

post #403 of 436

The Cards are going to come back down to earth.  It happens, especially when you've been on top for so long.  If you're paying a guy a 22+ million a year for 8, I think he needs to be a top guy at his position and I don't think Heyward is that.  He just happened to be the top free agent in a lousy year for position players.  He's a nice player.  He'll bat .280, hit 15 homers, have a pretty good OB%, steal some bases, and play good defense.  Congrats, you got a better Brett Gardner.  I will say he's in the perfect situation for him.  He doesn't have to be a 3 or 4 hitter in a lineup that has a ton of thunder.  

post #404 of 436
He's our lead off hitter from what I'm hearing. He won't have the pressure to hit 3/4
post #405 of 436
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The Cards are going to come back down to earth.  It happens, especially when you've been on top for so long.  If you're paying a guy a 22+ million a year for 8, I think he needs to be a top guy at his position and I don't think Heyward is that.  He just happened to be the top free agent in a lousy year for position players.  He's a nice player.  He'll bat .280, hit 15 homers, have a pretty good OB%, steal some bases, and play good defense.  Congrats, you got a better Brett Gardner.  I will say he's in the perfect situation for him.  He doesn't have to be a 3 or 4 hitter in a lineup that has a ton of thunder.  

He's a 6.5 WAR player last year.  Brett was 3.3 and is 32 years old.  Heyward is just now entering his prime being only 26 years old.

post #406 of 436
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He's our lead off hitter from what I'm hearing. He won't have the pressure to hit 3/4

Perhaps, but I wouldn't be surprised if Russell is placed there.  He hit 9th last year which is Joe's pseudo leadoff man.

post #407 of 436

His numbers (traditionally) have not been that impressive.  He had a good season in his walk year and got paid handsomely for it.  Happens all the time and good for him.  Last year at this time he had just been traded from the Braves.  He was almost an afterthought.

post #408 of 436
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His numbers (traditionally) have not been that impressive.  He had a good season in his walk year and got paid handsomely for it.  Happens all the time and good for him.  Last year at this time he had just been traded from the Braves.  He was almost an afterthought.

He had a 6.2 WAR in 2014 and 6.5 2015. All other stats are identical from 2014 and 2015 and he's now entering his prime.  Oh, his defense is elite.  

 

There's a reason why he had a ton of offers on the table.  It's rare you see this kind of talent on the open market at 26 years old.  

post #409 of 436

He's going to be a monster defensive replacement after they remove Schwarber from LF in the 8th inning, no doubt about that.

 

He's in the perfect situation for him.  Had he taken that money to stay in St. Louis with that contract he would have been expected to be "the man".  He's not that type of guy.  In Chicago he can be complementary player.  

 

And good luck getting him to opt out in 3 years if he's putting up a .275/.335/.420 line.    

post #410 of 436

Or he's like Rizzo and just coming into his own.  Rizzo was shit when he 24.  Hit .233  Then he started to break out at 25/26 years old.

 

I think bob loblaw is just pissed his Yankees are going to suck again next year. 

post #411 of 436

Yes I have Cubs envy.  Their track record of success is unparalleled so who am I to judge?  I'm sure there's no way things can go wrong for them.  

post #412 of 436

Everyone hates the Yankees until their team becomes them.

post #413 of 436

The Cubs are going for it, no doubt.  They're spending money to improve the product and I give them credit for it.  If I was a Cubs fan I would be just as happy (delusional) as you guys are right now.  On paper they have the most talent and they're young.  There's nothing to not like there.  I just think they overpaid for a good, but not great player.  

post #414 of 436
And I realize it's sort of the norm these days, but when has a 8+ year contract ever turned out real well for the team?  The Yankees are counting down the days until AROD's, CC's & Texieira's contracts expire before they make their next big signing.  Seattle already regrets signing Cano.  Same for Pujols and the Angels.  And all the guys I just mentioned were among the ELITE when they got paid. Heyward's never been on that level.  
post #415 of 436
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The Cubs are going for it, no doubt.  They're spending money to improve the product and I give them credit for it.  If I was a Cubs fan I would be just as happy (delusional) as you guys are right now.  On paper they have the most talent and they're young.  There's nothing to not like there.  I just think they overpaid for a good, but not great player.  

Over paid.  Your nuts.  You'll see in three years.  

post #416 of 436

OK buddy.  In 3 years we'll meet right here to see who's the smartest of them all.  I just marked it on the calendar.  In fact, we can do it on the 110th anniversary of the last Cubs title.  Does that day work for you?

post #417 of 436
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And I realize it's sort of the norm these days, but when has a 8+ year contract ever turned out real well for the team?  The Yankees are counting down the days until AROD's, CC's & Texieira's contracts expire before they make their next big signing.  Seattle already regrets signing Cano.  Same for Pujols and the Angels.  And all the guys I just mentioned were among the ELITE when they got paid. Heyward's never been on that level.  

How many of those guys were 26 where they signed those deals?  None.  He'll be 34 if the contract goes the full 8.  Zobrist got 50 mil at 34.  It's a good deal. 

 

 

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Everyone hates the Yankees until their team becomes them.


That's not the Cubs.  If it was they would have gotten Price.  the Red Sox have turned into the Yankees and that's about it.

post #418 of 436

Well other teams have tried.  Most notably the LA teams.  Luckily they haven't won much of anything recently.

 

And it's not the Cubs YET.  The Yankees didn't get everybody either (and many don't acknowledge their core players in most of the recent championship years weren't splashy free agent signings.) But another couple offseasons like this...  Keep in mind what made the Yankees seem "unfair" to fans wasn't simply all the money.  It's the money without a cap and everyone wanting to go there.  Players know what being part of a Cubs championship run will mean.  And, if they're already good, and willing to pay top dollar, more free agents will gravitate there.  Which is all well and good, except eventually if you start winning you do become the next "evil empire."  (Not that I begrudge the North Siders that... better than Dodger fans.)

post #419 of 436

Cubs fans are adorable.

 

And while I think the Cubs have done some nice work, and just may have the best GM/Manager combo in the sport, when has spending a ton of money on FAs really worked out? You guys are already setting expectations in your heads, and it's only December.

 

There's a reason teams like the Cardinals and Giants are in it almost year after year, and that is by being controlled and smart. The Cubs did that last year and made great strides, but now they are veering dangerously close to Dodgers/Red Sox/Yankees territory.

post #420 of 436
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Cubs fans are adorable.

 

 

There's a reason teams like the Cardinals and Giants are in it almost year after year, and that is by being controlled and smart. The Cubs did that last year and made great strides, but now they are veering dangerously close to Dodgers/Red Sox/Yankees territory.

Giants-like signing Jeff Samardija to a 90 million dollar contract?  They also offered 60 to Zobrist who turned them down. 

 

Cards-They offered Heyward 200 million to resign and he said no thanks.

 

They aren't close to Dodgers/Red Sox/Yankees territory.  They underbid Zobrist and Heyward and they still came here.  And you can do that when your core are all under 26 and making peanuts.

 

http://deadspin.com/bad-st-louis-cardinals-fans-assail-rent-a-player-for-l-1747618873?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

Best fans in baseball.  I can't believe they are so upset over a player they knew was a rent a player.

post #421 of 436
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OK buddy.  In 3 years we'll meet right here to see who's the smartest of them all.  I just marked it on the calendar.  In fact, we can do it on the 110th anniversary of the last Cubs title.  Does that day work for you?

Cool. In 3 years (after winning at least 1 ws) he will enter free agency and get much more then he got now.
post #422 of 436
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Cubs fans are adorable.

And while I think the Cubs have done some nice work, and just may have the best GM/Manager combo in the sport, when has spending a ton of money on FAs really worked out? You guys are already setting expectations in your heads, and it's only December.

There's a reason teams like the Cardinals and Giants are in it almost year after year, and that is by being controlled and smart. The Cubs did that last year and made great strides, but now they are veering dangerously close to Dodgers/Red Sox/Yankees territory.

Wait what? Current payroll is about 150M. That's no where neear their territory. Detroit over 175m. San Fran is about the same. The idea is to have a core of good cheap cost controlled players and add though free agency. They have done that.

Edit: Giants team salary last year was 178M and they just added shark for 90M for 5 years and they Sucked last year. So much for your theory.
post #423 of 436
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Giants-like signing Jeff Samardija to a 90 million dollar contract?  .

 

A bargain. If he had been a free agent after last season he'd likely have gotten closer to $140 million. A bum year with the Sox will be long forgotten once Righetti has his ear for a few weeks.

post #424 of 436
He could or he could not. He's not very projectable, BUT I'd love to have him back because Bosio did wonders with him anf I was confident he could get that back. He could be a steal! I was mainly stating that the team salary structure is not cards level. They spend a lot of money when need be.
post #425 of 436

If Heyward puts the Cubs over the top and they win a WS, it's a fine deal. Any other result and it's a big overpay.

 

It's not a good deal. But they're going for it right now, so they got the best guy they could. Makes sense.
 

post #426 of 436
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Wait what? Current payroll is about 150M. That's no where neear their territory. Detroit over 175m. San Fran is about the same. The idea is to have a core of good cheap cost controlled players and add though free agency. They have done that.

Edit: Giants team salary last year was 178M and they just added shark for 90M for 5 years and they Sucked last year. So much for your theory.

 

Ok, but when those young, cheap players reach contract year, and you're in the middle of big FA contracts (and they may have spent less than the Giants/Cards offered, but those are still BIG contracts), then your payroll gets much bigger.

 

I'm not blasting the Cubs for what they are doing. I said I wouldn't mind if the Cardinals signed Heyward to a big deal (he's a good, solid player and I like him A LOT), I'm just saying they need to be careful. Of course, if Theo Epstein was my GM, I would trust anything that guy does.

 

I will continue to blast Cubs fans, though, because it's fun.

post #427 of 436
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Ok, but when those young, cheap players reach contract year, and you're in the middle of big FA contracts (and they may have spent less than the Giants/Cards offered, but those are still BIG contracts), then your payroll gets much bigger.

 

I'm not blasting the Cubs for what they are doing. I said I wouldn't mind if the Cardinals signed Heyward to a big deal (he's a good, solid player and I like him A LOT), I'm just saying they need to be careful. Of course, if Theo Epstein was my GM, I would trust anything that guy does.

 

I will continue to blast Cubs fans, though, because it's fun.

Of course that's the way it always works and you can't keep all of these kids.  That's why you continue to build the farm and draft and trade well and they have.  Players will be replaced and by the time they reach FA the Cubs are going to have all the renovations complete, their own cable network, and all debts paid off.  The clueless cubs of old are done!  As a lifelong fan good riddance!  Finally they are acting like a premier baseball franchise!  Exiting times indeed man!!!!

 

In 2018 they only have, what, 80M on the books?  Something like that.  

 

Oh and you wonder why Heyward wanted to come to Wrigley?

 

The ballpark at which Jason Heyward has slugged the highest with at least 100 plate appearances? Yup. Wrigley Field.


Edited by cccc - 12/12/15 at 4:35am
post #428 of 436
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The ballpark at which Jason Heyward has slugged the highest with at least 100 plate appearances? Yup. Wrigley Field.

It also helps he was going against Cub pitching.

post #429 of 436

Man, that Castro interview on the score this morning was interesting.  When Maddon told him that Russell is taking over at short, he also told him right now he doesn't have a position for him!    Fuck!

post #430 of 436
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It also helps he was going against Cub pitching.

Cubs pitching was very good in 2015.  It was 3rd in the NL in era 3.36.  

 

Which really surprised me when I just looked it up.  

post #431 of 436
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Cubs pitching was very good in 2015.  It was 3rd in the NL in era 3.36.  

 

Which really surprised me when I just looked it up.  


The previous 5 years were shit though.

post #432 of 436
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The previous 5 years were shit though.

 

Yep and good call.  

 

I can't wait until freaking April already!  Gonna be a long 3.5 months or so.  

post #433 of 436

Heyward hits in the low .200 in April though

post #434 of 436

Rumors are Cueto to the Giants are heating up.  Nice add if he is the Reds version and not what he was in KC.  Giants seem to be investing a lot in pitchers who had poor seasons.

post #435 of 436

Looks like Chapman to the Yanks.  Now if we can just get a lead going into the 7th...

post #436 of 436
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One less big time closer to worry about in the National League.

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