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post #51 of 128

Again bizarre because Roland ONLY cared about the Tower. So much so that he was only trying to save it so he could go inside of it.

post #52 of 128
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Again bizarre because Roland ONLY cared about the Tower. So much so that he was only trying to save it so he could go inside of it.

 

One could almost surmise that this is perhaps not his first run-in with the Tower.  Or that, he might have a a certain Horn of Eld in his possession at the beginning of the story which he picked up on Jericho Hill...

post #53 of 128

I hope the movie starts with 10 wordless minutes of Idris Elba getting fucked up by giant lobsters.

post #54 of 128
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One could almost surmise that this is perhaps not his first run-in with the Tower.  Or that, he might have a a certain Horn of Eld in his possession at the beginning of the story which he picked up on Jericho Hill...

Well yeah the article says that but I don't know if they should use that as an excuse me to fuck up a good story. I never care about little changes, even big changes but some of these are messing with the core of the story.

post #55 of 128
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For shits and giggles, here's an article I recently wrote about King, with a bit of discussion on how he portrays himself in The Dark Tower series

https://litreactor.com/columns/academia-vs-imagination-the-problem-of-intellectualism-in-works-of-stephen-king

 

 

That's a good article. Keep in mind that King was the first member of his family to have a College degree, he was raised in a lower class environment by a single mother, struggled for years writing for Men's magazines, then overnight became a Best Selling Author. 

 

Like a lot of celebrities (which like it or not he is) he's struggled with that. There's also the desire any author has to be remembered for his work, which in this case bumps up against the pretentious snobs like Bloom who will never recognize King's value as an author. 

post #56 of 128

The Dark Tower series is sort of my Star Wars. Read The Gunslinger when I was thirteen, Drawing of the Three and the Wastelands shortly thereafter. Wizards and Glass a little later, then spent a couple of years waiting for the rest of the books, while I re-read the first parts. Then when I finally got the last three when I was 18-19, the ending couldn't live up to expectations. I still really like most of Wolves of the Calla and Song of Susannah.

 

I love Elba for Roland. An actor portraying Roland should be able to portray world weary, have a commanding presence, yet a certain low key element as well and be able to switch to a charming, almost regal persona when the situation calls for it. Elba embodies all those qualities, much more so than former rumors like Javier Bardem, who I never really could see as him.

 

You lose elements King described like his piercing blue eyes, but King was never very consistent in how he described Roland anyway. First it was your basic Clint Eastwood type, in the later books it's revealed he looks just like Stephen King (pretty much my least favourite description of the character), but he was also described as being pretty hard to identify racial wise, like he had very racially mixed ancestors down the line. That last description isn't Elba, but it doesn't exclude him to me either.

 

That being said, that description of the script Quint's read sounds pretty bad to me, because Roland's desire to seek the Tower is the character. Having him only out for revenge is a fundamental misunderstanding of who Roland is.

 

However, I'm going to remain optimistic due to this quote from Quint:

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I've heard from sources who have told me that Arcel did a pretty hefty rewrite, so it's quite possible that all the pro-Goldsman draft talk in the EW interview was politics (saving face for Goldsman who is still producer on the film) and much of what I read is outdated.

 

From what the EW article said, Ron Howard wasn't a fan of the books, his wife was. Now obviously directors always say they're a fan of the books, but I'd like to believe Nikolai Arcel actually is a fan of the books. Making the actual first line of the book the first line of the movie makes a good case for that. So who knows, he might actually have a better handle on who Roland is in the books.

 

But it's the third screenwriting credit that actually has me excited Anders Thomas Jensen is is one of my favourite writers (and directors) around so I'm very happy to see him work on this adaptation.

 

McConaughey will probably be pretty great as Marten/Walter/Flagg, who's mostly described as an always taunting and smiling mystery man, which he can pull off in his sleep, though obviously, like others I wonder if hey've beefed up his part, cause he's a very hands off, operating in the shadows figure for most of the books.

 

So, I'm actually quite excited for the film. Bring it on! The underwhelming nature of the actual ending of the novels has pretty much prepared me for the worst anyway. If it's not good, I'll just shrug it off. If it's good, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

By the way, my dream casting for Roland was always Lance Henriksen circa 1995. It would have almost been worth a horrible 1990's Stephen King miniseries just to see him play the part.

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post #58 of 128

Aaron Paul was great as Jesse Pinkman, but I think he's limited as an actor, and that particular role is so singular for him that he'd be bringing a lot of baggage with him if he's cast as Eddie Dean.  I don't want Jesse Pinkman as Eddie Dean, even if there are some parallels between the two characters.  Not super excited about this casting.    

post #59 of 128

Well, he might not be Eddie Dean.

 

 

 

But he probably is.

 

(I was kind of hoping for Casey Affleck.)

post #60 of 128
Aaron Paul is kid-faced, but easily 15 years older than Eddie on the page. Affleck even more so.
post #61 of 128

James Ransone would have been my choice as Eddie:

 

post #62 of 128
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Everyone still thinks Paul was cast? He's not. I'm thinking this goes much the way Cranston as Luthor goes.
post #63 of 128

Good!

 

They need to go get Dan Stevens.

post #64 of 128

My controversial Eddie choice is Robert Pattinson in The Rover mode. 

 

post #65 of 128

Haven't heard from Pattinson since that very movie. Is he still in the business?

 

In other news: They've found their Jake Chambers and he's some British kid that none of us has heard of, rendering the news rather dull.

post #66 of 128

I know he was out in the desert making a film with Herzog, so who knows what happened there?

post #67 of 128

It puzzles me how no one can fancast Eddie with anyone under 35.  Not that Ransome, Paul, or Affleck wouldn't all have been fine choices if the movie were being made in 2002.

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It puzzles me how no one can fancast Eddie with anyone under 35.  Not that Ransome, Paul, or Affleck wouldn't all have been fine choices if the movie were being made in 2002.

 

I'm not that familiar with younger actors, which is why I tend to cast older, when it comes to these types of things. I also have a specific idea of what Eddie looks like, sounds like, so that further complicated things.

 

Here are a few younger ideas...

 

 

Josh Peck. Age 29. From New York. Most notable role was in "The Wackness"

 

 

Rory Culkin. 26, also from New York

 

 

Benedict Samuel, 27. Recently on The Walking Dead

 

 

Frank Dillane, 24. Stars on Fear the Walking Dead

 

 

Of course, given Elba's casting, who is to say Eddie Dean will be white?

post #69 of 128

He will be white but I have heard rumors Susan will be white......horrible if true.

 

So is this all for the first film? Like Eddie and Susan won't even wait until movie 2?

post #70 of 128
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There's like zero reason to think Eddie or Susannah are in this movie. The white Susannah thing is also just internet absurdism.

Eddie in his twenties is a no brainer too. I like Josh Peck for it okay.

I can't fucking wait to see Elba in character.
post #71 of 128

Yeah, I've gone from "Huh!" to "Awesome!" when it comes to that Elba casting. I never would have picked him for the role but, now he's been cast, I'm absurdly excited to see him play Roland. 

post #72 of 128

The thing about Aaron Paul's as Eddie is that it's just lazy internet casting as it always happens. Need a junkie who turns his life around to competent badass? Clearly you should cast the guy who played the exact description of that part in a previous roll!

 

As mentioned above, it's the same thinking that made the internet shout for Bryan Cranston when Lex Luthor had to be cast. "He can play evil! He knows how to shave his head!" That doesn't mean he's the best fit for the part. Actors act. They play different roles.

 

Besides being a junkie, Eddie's about 23 years old and able to make panties drop with a blink of his lovely brown eyes. Aaron Paul's a great actor, but he never struck me as they guy who could get every girl's attention just by walking in the room.  Besides that, Eddie's a guy who's haunted by the spectre of his brother who undermined his every move. Aaron Paul's a great actor, and I'm sure he could sell that last aspect, but he just aged out of the part and he never really fit the ladies' man aspect of Eddie anyway. There are numorous talented actors who would be a better fit for Eddie than Aaron Paul at 35.

post #73 of 128

Jaime Bell would be another good Eddie.

post #74 of 128
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Besides being a junkie, Eddie's about 23 years old and able to make panties drop with a blink of his lovely brown eyes. Aaron Paul's a great actor, but he never struck me as they guy who could get every girl's attention just by walking in the room.  Besides that, Eddie's a guy who's haunted by the spectre of his brother who undermined his every move. Aaron Paul's a great actor, and I'm sure he could sell that last aspect, but he just aged out of the part and he never really fit the ladies' man aspect of Eddie anyway. 

Really? Boy it has been a while since I read the book because I don't quite remember that.

post #75 of 128
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Yeah, I just reread them and Eddie isn't exactly crushing it with women. He's just obsessed with getting high, and theres no talk of his girlfriends or anything. He and Susannah hook up of course, but that's it. He's described as good looking a few times, but not excessively so, well within Paul's reach. Honestly, they're not getting someone with more sexual charisma than Elba, and it's certainly not an important part of the story.

Paul's not suited for the role because he's at least a decade too old. He'd be in his mid forties by the theoretical end of this.
post #76 of 128

I'm interested in these films. The Dark Tower books are a weird, lumpy, broken mess, but they're a fascinating and entertaining. There's a lot of good there, and a smart storyteller could reshape them into something great.

 

I don't really like anything about the approach the Akiva Goldsman draft seems to be taking, but to make it to the big screen, this thing was always going to be compromised in one way or another. The books do not have "blockbuster" written all over them. That's why the natural home for this project isn't the big screen, it's the small screen; this would work like gangbusters as an HBO or Showtime series. But we get what we get, I guess.

 

At least the casting is good. Elba vs. McConaughey is enough for me to buy a ticket. 

post #77 of 128
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Really? Boy it has been a while since I read the book because I don't quite remember that.

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Yeah, I just reread them and Eddie isn't exactly crushing it with women. He's just obsessed with getting high, and theres no talk of his girlfriends or anything. He and Susannah hook up of course, but that's it. He's described as good looking a few times, but not excessively so, well within Paul's reach. Honestly, they're not getting someone with more sexual charisma than Elba, and it's certainly not an important part of the story.

Paul's not suited for the role because he's at least a decade too old. He'd be in his mid forties by the theoretical end of this.

Yeah, I was pretty drunk when I posted that.

 

I'm reading Drawing of the Three right now and when Eddie is first introduced there's reference to his (translated from my Dutch copy so not a direct quote from the English version) "Eddie Dean's light brown, almost green eyes, that had melted so many hearts and had allowed him to crawl between so many lovely spread legs during the last seven of his twenty one years." There's also reference to the stewardess bringing him some food cause she thought he was attractive before she turns suspicious. And some general he could charm his way through lots of situations talk.

 

That portrayal of Eddie is mostly dropped in the rest of the series for his smartass goofball persona. Besides that he's in love with Susannah and they don't exactly meet a lot of different female companionship in the post-apocalyptic wastelands. So carry on, my comments were slightly coloured by alcohol and Eddie's first description.

 

Aaron Paul would be pretty inspired casting for Henry, Eddie's asshole junkie older brother who can switch on the brotherly love at just the right opportunity. Depending on how they adapt it, that part could be either a really meaty guest role or just a strung out, barely conscious junkie with little to no screen presence.

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post #79 of 128
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Oh god oh god oh god!
post #80 of 128

That cell phone really completes the outfit.

post #81 of 128

Roland's supposed to wear a blue shirt, not a white one.

 

Movie ruined.

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post #83 of 128

Yeah, some of the script rumors are really worrying, especially if you're a fan of the books (as I am).

post #84 of 128

Yeah im all about Idris but everything im hearing worries me greatly.

post #85 of 128
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I'm going to go ahead and assume there's a good reason for the script to include characters like Pimli. I simply don't think this gets adapted unless the people behind it aren't big fans of the property. No studio is greenlighting this on the strength of the IP, and you don't get actors like Elba and McConnaughey signing on if it's a complete bungle on the page.

It will be different as fuck from the books. Let's rip that band aid off right away. So's Kubrick's Shining. The only bad stuff I've heard about this script comes from one guy's opinion at BMD, and he didn't read the script they're using, just one that appears to have a similar structure. And those guys tend to make up their minds pretty early.

Optimism!
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Optimism!

I will not alow that on the internet.

post #87 of 128
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To be fair, I'll probably find something to love about this even if it's a disaster. How can it not be weird as fuck?
post #88 of 128
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To be fair, I'll probably find something to love about this even if it's a disaster. How can it not be weird as fuck?
True. And at least Howard isn't directing.
post #89 of 128
I'm pretty sure I've heard negative opinions from several folks who have read it, but I don't mind if "different" is their big problem. The dark tower series was NEVER going to work as an adaptation of all seven books verbatim.

I'm assuming, somehow King gets cut if the series gets to that point.
post #90 of 128
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True. And at least Howard isn't directing.

Ehh at least it might be an ok western.

post #91 of 128
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I'm assuming, somehow King gets cut if the series gets to that point.

 

Dear god, I hope so.

 

I am very cool with any and all changes they need to make because of how badly the books go off the rails.  

post #92 of 128
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Ehh at least it might be an ok western.
From what we're hearing, I wouldn't expect a Western. It sounds like this will be a blend of a few different DARK TOWER books.
post #93 of 128

Based on something that Stephen King tweeted today, Scott over at BMD has speculated on something that I've heard rumoured several times, and which I quite like even though I can imagine it's (justifiably) going to piss off some of the hardcore fanbase. 

post #94 of 128
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People been talking about that horn since this got going. They'd really be missing a trick to not include it.
post #95 of 128
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The horn is, apparently, a thing, at least in the early script.
post #96 of 128

It's so weird that they're already filming this thing after everything the production has been through. Oh, and apparently Jake has been cast:

 

post #97 of 128

The horn is just too perfect of a solution not to use it to tell a different story that's the same.  It's actually perfect.  

post #98 of 128
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Based on something that Stephen King tweeted today, Scott over at BMD has speculated on something that I've heard rumoured several times, and which I quite like even though I can imagine it's (justifiably) going to piss off some of the hardcore fanbase. 

Really? From what I see, it's King essentially saying that the movie will be the same story the fans all know and love, but different...and maybe even part of the books as well.
I'm not a hardcore fan, but if the rumors and theories are true, it has to be one of the best, most originals takes on adapting something as a film.
I may be misusing the word, but isn't this the very definition of Meta?
post #99 of 128

Fans have been saying for YEARS it's the perfect way to fiddle with and adapt an otherwise hard to adapt series to film or television.  Although I would still vastly prefer the HBO Game of Thrones series that does this approach, it's still super super cool it's happening.  If he has that horn in the first shot I'm going to cheer.  

post #100 of 128

Oh this is going to be a flaming disaster and that's a shame since it's one of my favorite book series.  As for the inclusion of the horn, it's basically their excuse to pick and choose from the books and make their own mess of a film.

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