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Okay the last decade or so has been littered with oscar bait aimed at audiences who don't really exist any more - The Reader, Revolutionary Road, Incredible Loud And Extremely Close etc - so this thread is almost like shooting fish in a barrel. And by all means shoot those fish!

 

But there's something else I find interesting. Every now and then on my travels through imdb or wikipedia I'll poke through someone's filmography and find a film with a cast and/or crew full of legends and seemingly everything going for it, but that for whatever reason I'd never even heard of. A lot of these seem to happen in the 80's.

 

I assume most of them just aren't that great - I mean they can't all be winners. But even so I feel like with the names involved they have to be worth digging up, surely? A few examples that come to mind:

 

Scarecrow (1973) - starring Al Pacino and Gene Hackman slap bang in their golden eras! This inspired the thread because I only really learned the existence of this film about ten minutes ago.


The Verdict (1982) - Sydney Lumet directs Paul Newman from a David Mamet script! This one sounds legitimately worth seeking out, so it might just be pig bloody ignorance on my part that I didn't know about it.

 

Prizzi's Honor (1985) - John Huston directs Jack Nicholson in a gangster movie. Slam dunk, surely? Okay admittedly I had heard of this one, but it doesn't seem to be a film anyone actually watches.

 

Iron Weed (1987). Nicholson again, with Meryl Streep. And Tom Waits apparently! But again I'd never heard of it until stumbling on it looking for something else.. Like Scarecrow it appears to be about homeless people, so maybe people just don't like films about that. RDJ's failed oscar grab The Soloist also backs up that theory.

 

Tempted to add Reds (1981) as well, a pretty famous film with big stars that won oscars and much acclaim, but not one I'm convinced anyone but film students watch any more.

 

Anyone seen any of these? Are they any good?

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I know about the first two but have seen none of them.
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PRIZZI'S HONOR is a fantastic movie, one of Jack's absolute best.  Find it if you can.

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I can vouch for both The Verdict and Prizzi's Honor. Both are excellent. Scarecrow's languished on my queue for quite a while. I think I've seen Iron Weed, but I don't remember it, which might say something about Iron Weed.

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I recall THE VERDICT being good but I can't definitively vouch for it.  I never saw REDS or SCARECROW, and I only saw bits and pieces of IRONWEED (which looked good).

 

Other prestige pictures that I've always wanted to see that I never got around to watching:

THE PIANIST

THE HOURS

FROST/NIXON

SHINE

QUIZ SHOW

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SCARECROW is terrific. Pacino and Hackman play perfectly off each other. Features Dick Lynch's scariest performance after INVASION U.S.A.

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THE HOURS
Saw this in a home vid marathon with IN THE BEDROOM and MONSTERS BALL. Wanted to kill myself afterwards. Brutal.
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FROST/NIXON

I found this instantly forgettable. That Ron Howard magic!

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I found this instantly forgettable. That Ron Howard magic!

 

That's what I suspect will happen to me, but I've also heard from quite a few people that it's excellent.

 

Also, while I usually find Ron Howard films competent yet forgettable, the man also gave us RUSH, which is a masterpiece in my mind.  I keep hoping to find the director who made THAT film in some of his other films.

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I recall THE VERDICT being good but I can't definitively vouch for it.  I never saw REDS or SCARECROW, and I only saw bits and pieces of IRONWEED (which looked good).

 

Other prestige pictures that I've always wanted to see that I never got around to watching:

THE PIANIST

THE HOURS

FROST/NIXON

SHINE

QUIZ SHOW


I'll vouch for The Pianist and Quiz Show.  The scene towards the end of The Pianist where Brody plays for Krestchmann's officer is unforgettable.

 

In terms of additions to this thread, I feel like the BP nominees of the 80s and early 90s are absolutely littered with this.  Films like Out of Africa or The Last Emperor or Prince of Tides.

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Movies in this thread don't have to be good, right?  Because THE BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES instantly comes to mind.

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THE HOURS

 

Should have been called "The Weeks"

 

I stumbled upon The Verdict about five years ago.  I vaguely remember it from my childhood - probably just the title.  It's a nice little four-star movie ... probably Mammet's only movie besides The Untuchables that doesn't slam you over the head with that "Mammet wrote this!" feeling.

 

I feel like Prizzi's Honour is one of the biggest movies I've never seen.  I remember watching the first 20 minutes or so when I was younger and tuning out.  It's one of my father's favorite movies along with Vanishing Point and Jerehmiah Johnson.

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I feel like Prizzi's Honour is one of the biggest movies I've never seen.  I remember watching the first 20 minutes or so when I was younger and tuning out.  It's one of my father's favorite movies along with Vanishing Point and Jerehmiah Johnson.

 

VANISHING POINT and JEREMIAH JOHNSON are in my top 10 movies.  Your dad has excellent taste.

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Do you wanna trade?

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Do you wanna trade?

 

My dad's an 89 year old asshole, and his Alzheimer's has cranked his assholishness up to 11.  Trust me, you don't want to trade.

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The Verdict is the film that should have gotten Newman his Oscar, he's fantastic in it.

 

I remember Reds being a huge deal back in '81, it was an Oscar favorite from the get-go.  In fact, the fact that you had three really strong contenders that year -- Reds, Raiders (yes, it was an actual contender) and On Golden Pond -- is why I'm convinced they all split the voting and allowed Chariots of Fire to sneak in for the win.  Because who remembers anything about Chariots of Fire besides the theme song today?  Talk about your forgotten prestige pictures.

 

Amistad manages to be a forgotten prestige movie and a forgotten Spielberg movie.  And it really doesn't deserve either.  But, just as Lost World couldn't help but be a letdown from Jurassic Park, no way Amistad wasn't going to pale in comparison to Schindler's List.  Which is too bad, because it's actually a pretty great film, and Djimon Honsou and Anthony Hopkins both give outstanding performances.

 

I'd also add:

 

Out of Africa

The Last Emperor

The English Patient

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The ALL THE KING'S MEN remake killed Steven Zaillian's directing career.  Definitely one of the biggest examples of a group of ridiculously talented people, behind and in front the camera, coming together to make some inexplicably bad.

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PRIZZI'S HONOR is a fantastic movie, one of Jack's absolute best.  Find it if you can.

Was a video store and TV staple in Britain in the late 80s/early 90s. It's a bona fide great movie. As is Scarecrow - low key but wonderful performances and a typically uncompromising 70s narrative.
post #19 of 380
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The Last Emperor has a wonderful soundtrack album, the movie itself is an optional extra.


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Movies in this thread don't have to be good, right?


Lord no!
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  Because who remembers anything about Chariots of Fire besides the theme song today?  Talk about your forgotten prestige pictures.

 

I remember this quote:

 

I believe God made me for a purpose, but he also made me fast. And when I run I feel His pleasure.

 

But yeah, other than that it's largely forgotten. My parents had the full Vangelis soundtrack on vinyl. Some real gems on it besides the titles.

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THE ARTIST.

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BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN, for all the splash it made during its award season, pretty much fell off the earth right after.

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I watched CHARIOTS OF FIRE about a year or so ago.  Check it out, it's actually a really good movie.  RAIDERS should have won that year, but CHARIOTS is decent.

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COME SEE THE PARADISE

THE NEW WORLD

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CRASH?

12 Years A Slave

Argo

King's Speech

Hurt Locker

The Departed

Million Dollar Baby

 

 

Man... I'm just going through the winners of the last several years...

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I liked THE KING'S SPEECH, but really all that anyone talks about (if they talk about it at all) is the funny cursing scene.

 

Here's another one that seems to be forgotten: LES MISERABLES.

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When I think of Chariots of Fire, I mostly think of Alice Krige and her below-the-radar fantastic work in Barfly, Star Trek, and Deadwood.  She was drop-dead gorgeous through most of the 80s and, much like Kevin Bacon or Vincent Price, her face has become stunningly ghoulish as she ages.

 

Hey Booth, sorry to hear about your dad ... my dad is mostly tolerable in his mid-seventies.  Barfly is another one for this list, and it's another favorite with dear old dad ... my dad and I sometimes toast "To my friiiiieeenddssss" and just giggle about how much we hate everybody.

 

McCabe and Mrs. Miller is another movie that doesn't get much spin.  I could see The Assassination of Jesse James also slipping out of public awareness.

 

I DO remember Prizzi's Honor being a big deal.  The poster is fantastic, and it used to be in all the video stores:

 

post #28 of 380
Isnt it too soon to claim all those recent ones as "forgotten". Plus, they get namedropped in CHUD conversations all the time. Sometimes with venom (Crash), but mentioned nevertheless.

Or are we talking public consciousness? "Brokeback" gets used as an analog for "gay" amongst the rabble.
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Yeah, but we're CHUD...
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When I think of Chariots of Fire, I mostly think of Alice Krige and her below-the-radar fantastic work in Barfly, Star Trek, and Deadwood.  She was drop-dead gorgeous through most of the 80s and, much like Kevin Bacon or Vincent Price, her face has become stunningly ghoulish as she ages.

 

 

 

Whenever I think of Alice Krige, I think of GHOST STORY.

 

Oh yes.

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I watched CHARIOTS OF FIRE about a year or so ago.  Check it out, it's actually a really good movie.  RAIDERS should have won that year, but CHARIOTS is decent.

 

And I really can't emphasize enough that Raiders was a totally legit contender for Best Picture.  This wasn't "Hey throw the top money-maker a nom" kind of thing.  Conventional wisdom had it down to Raiders and On Golden Pond, with Reds as the dark horse.

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Does The Red Violin count? I dunno if you mean prestige films made by the major US studios or just anything that kinda fits that mold. It did win an Oscar for it's score, though.

 

I really like that movie, but outside of film geeks and people who watch any random thing that pops up on HBO (which is how I saw it first) nobody seems to have seen it, much less talks about it. It's got beautiful cinematography, fantastic period production design, and a tragic romantic mystery that spans several centuries. It also "stars" Samuel L. Jackson in a really understated role where he doesn't ever raise his voice or call anyone a motherfucker.

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I remember liking The Red Violin!  Classy lush film!

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I had a screenwriting professor who made us watch "The Red Violin" as an example of what not to do.
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I had a screenwriting professor who made us watch "The Red Violin" as an example of what not to do.

 

What did you learn?

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The mention of Ron Howard made me think of Cinderella Man, which I remember being decent, but seemed to fade away quickly. A few other biopics from around that time, like De-Lovely with Kevin Kline as Cole Porter, and Beyond the Sea, don't get a lot of mention.

 

There was that adaptation of Vanity Fair with Reese Witherspoon about ten years ago. I saw it at some point, but couldn't tell you a thing about it. I think there was some kind of war at some point.

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FAR AND AWAY

(or really, anything by Ron Howard)

...let's get this hate train outta the station again cuz I hate it THAT much and would LOVE to forget it..
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What did you learn?

Don't make a violin your protagonist.
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Seeing as we all love to forget about Ron Howard's movies: Where do we stand on Apollo 13?

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I like Apollo 13. The one I really wish I could forget is his Grinch movie.

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The only thing I remember about the film (other than the actual events themselves) is that it was the first ACTUAL movie to play in IMAX (I believe....and in an edited down version) and that it was actually the thing that led to a far greater and more memorable film...JASON X! Someone at New Line made the joke that the next one after Jason Goes to Hell should be called Apollo the 13th...and the rest is cinematic history..
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Whoa, are people turning on Apollo 13?  That film is great, and James Horner's score is fucking awesome:

 

 

But seriously, I watched it the night Horner passed away, and it holds up extremely well.  Howard's filmography has its hits and misses, but I'd definitely stand behind this as a hit.

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I remember liking "Night Shift" when I was a young 'un.
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Real talk....my favorite Ron Howard "Oscar Bait film" (and it's one of his Oscar Bait-iest) is Cinderella Man. I really kinda enjoyed that one.

But Ron Howard's best will ALWAYS be Willow or Cocoon. Just by default....even though I genuinely like both those films. It was in that magical time before he got so self-important..
post #45 of 380
Goodnight and Good Luck, which is streaming on HBO and been meaning to watch, The Good German, another Clooney film. I always sort of stumble onto it and watch 20 or 30 minutes before moving onto something else.
post #46 of 380
I'd put The Mission up there as well. Roland Joffe made The Killing fields a couple years earlier that managed to take away 3 Oscars. The Mission featured Robert De Niro, Jeremy Irons and Liam Neeson in a small role. It has a gorgeous Ennio Morricone score but only managed to win one Oscar for its cinematography.
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Seeing as we all love to forget about Ron Howard's movies: Where do we stand on Apollo 13?


I like that one. Alot. And Cinderella Man. Course, I'm a sucker for both NASA movies and boxing movies. If there was only an outerspace fisticuffs flick.

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Not alittle, but alot.
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I'd put The Mission up there as well. Roland Joffe made The Killing fields a couple years earlier that managed to take away 3 Oscars. The Mission featured Robert De Niro, Jeremy Irons and Liam Neeson in a small role. It has a gorgeous Ennio Morricone score but only managed to win one Oscar for its cinematography.

Ebert said something like, "We have four very good movies nominated for Best Picture, and The Mission".  Hard to believe I sat through this on HBO ... proof I would watch pretty much anything as a kid.

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Not alittle, but alot.

 

You're such a spelling/grammar Nazi! I bet you were in Schindler's List, an unforgotten prestige film!

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