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post #101 of 380
I came in here to bring up Cold Mountain but I read through the thread and realized I'd been here before....to mention Cold Mountain..
post #102 of 380
Ha, I made an "Imitation Game" / "Intimidation Game" joke.
post #103 of 380

Was Concussion this year or last year?

post #104 of 380

Last year. Collateral Beauty was Smith's misguided Oscar attempt this year.

post #105 of 380

concussion?

 

that never happened

 

I'm telling the truth

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post #107 of 380

Is The Founder this year's Concussion?

post #108 of 380
hey it kinda is!
post #109 of 380

I don't want to make the thread unweildy, but some stab at particular categorisation could be fun (as was attempted earlier)

 

So a lot of these recent submissions are Ignored Prestige Pictures;  serious drama with serious subjects containing "acting".  Plenty of triumph over adversity, Based On a True Story.  That kind of thing.  But nobody goes and nobody cares.

 

This is related to but not entirely contiguous with Oscar Bait.  Which I think often does a lot of similar things, but usually better, or at least with more recognition at the time of release.  An Ignored Prestige Picture is usually also Oscar Bait by nature, but true Oscar Bait will get the attention sufficient to have a decent chance of actually boating a couple of statues.  However if it's rep seems a little slippery or its story bolted on to one great performance it is probably on target to become...

 

A Forgotten Prestige Picture.  Now, former Oscar Bait is only one subset of the Forgotten Prestige Picture.  As discussed, a lot of genuinely good and well rewarded  movies go into this category as well eventually.

 

There's another sort of nebulous category that swirls around all of these for which I have only the useless and prejudical name of Slightly Classy Movies For Your Mum.  Which is usually anything that ever starred Jessica Tandy,  Dame Maggie Smith, Dame Judy Dench and so on.  But it's not limited to those.  Maybe someone is dying of something and goes on a journey.  Maybe the dying person is trying to do one thing, like build a house and the house becomes a metaphor for a life's work and legacy and in case nobody gets it you call the movie Life as a House.  Or maybe you want to do an ensemble piece about the divides between people and how they're really big divides, like huge and ancient chasms of stone, but also how the earth is huge and ancient  and people are small, so you call it Grand Canyon.  And so on.

 

The category isn't much good by itself.  But it's a little hard to discuss because I think Chud, as a broad and general rule (that excludes nooj completely, at the very least), doesn't care about most of these films,  good or bad (tangent ahoy).  In America and Brooklyn kinda go in the same pile with Collateral Beauty and Austin Adaptation #644.  That's not a knock per se,  I just think it's true.  A good deal of it probably comes from marketing.  A certain kind of film is promoted a certain kind of way and you see the signs and have been burned  enough times by glurge ridden weepy pandering trash that you turn swiftly to something with superhoeroes. (hey, the promo flyer for Whiplash put me right off that movie, but it's not like that at all). 

 

I wager no one is rushing to see Lion because it looks like one of these, for example.  And maybe it is.  I don't actually know.

 

So, yeah, after a certain point I think everyone kinda goes "Oh it's one of those movies", which is loosely all of the above and more precise chategorisation breaks down.  Which is a little sad sometimes, but understandable.

 

Anyway, reconfigure as you see fit.

post #110 of 380
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The category isn't much good by itself.  But it's a little hard to discuss because I think Chud, as a broad and general rule (that excludes nooj completely, at the very least), doesn't care about most of these films,  good or bad (tangent ahoy). 

 

I wager no one is rushing to see Lion because it looks like one of these, for example.  And maybe it is.  I don't actually know.

 

please...

 

read my lion thread...

post #111 of 380

The other day I was wondering where Mark Pellington disappeared. I loved ARLINGTON ROAD and THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES, so it was odd to find out his upcoming film looks like it belongs to this thread:

 

 

 

Looks like the epitome of Muzman's brilliant Slightly Classy Movies For Your Mum -genre.


Edited by Virtanen - 2/5/17 at 12:27pm
post #112 of 380

To me, the Prestige Film has to be based on a popular book, social issue, or historical figure. There has to be a sense that We Wouldn't Be Making This Movie If It Weren't Important, and You Should See This Movie Because It's Important. "Slightly classy" isn't prestigious, it's just inoffensive.

post #113 of 380
Soooooo, not Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas?
post #114 of 380

I'd say yes. You've got popular book, historical figure (sort of), and social issues.

post #115 of 380
Favorite

Prestige film

Ever

...other than The Prestige.

Y'all don't even know me, man. All y'all see on here is just "gentle little Fraid."

Fear and Loathing speaks to me man. I swear to God. I was born in the wrong decade. My idea of Heaven is living out my days in the California desert "expanding my mind" with peyote and other such substances. That's the side of myself I repress. So I play nice and conform to society's standards..
post #116 of 380

I thought Cold Mountain was quite good.  (Some casting issues aside.)  Then again, I also thought The English Patient was a worthy Best Picture winner.  Minghella was no Lasse Hallstrom*.

 

 

* I do admit to liking The Cider House Rules, though.

post #117 of 380
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Fear and Loathing speaks to me man. I swear to God. I was born in the wrong decade. My idea of Heaven is living out my days in the California desert "expanding my mind" with peyote and other such substances. That's the side of myself I repress. So I play nice and conform to society's standards..

 

I'd hang with ya.

post #118 of 380
Hell yeah! Let's do dis!
post #119 of 380

Dude, gotta wait until my youngest turns 18 when I can boot him out on his own.

post #120 of 380
I hear ya.

We can drive around Death Valley in a van and write a lame sequel to The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test!
post #121 of 380

after that stint I did of exclaiming PHILOMENA a few years ago, I finally actually saw the damned movie!  (it's one netflick in the US)

 

It's good!  Very moving!  And ironically, it has something relevant to say about elitist outrage towards those of more backwards/conservative views (which feels more and more relevant). 

 

An elegantly simple screenplay.  Understated direction.  Not the kind of movie one needed to see in theaters, but that's simply the nature of the intimate story it's telling without much fuss.

 

AWFUL color grading though.  Jesus

post #122 of 380

Philomena could easily have tilted too far into either cuteness or preachiness, but it balances very well.

post #123 of 380
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AWFUL color grading though.  Jesus

Is there a grading thread somewhere? Not trying to be an arse since I think it's an interesting topic worthy of deeper discussion.

Or it can just be three pages of me and McNooj listing films with godawful grading.
post #124 of 380

I think I recall Mcnooj's complaint re: Philomena . . . Didn't everything have a sickly yellow/amber tint?

post #125 of 380
it's awfully teal

I would agree that a lot of it looks awfully sickly
post #126 of 380
Thread Starter 
I'm inclined to be soft on Philomena because I think Steve Coogan is underrated.

I agree with Muzman there are a few different types of 'forgotten prestige movie' here.

There's oscar bait that no one noticed even at the time. Then there's oscar bait that was popular and won loads of awards and yet still got forgotten after a few years.

Then there's for me the more mysterious kind where it's not necessarily oscar bait but you just have films where all the elements seem to be in place - you've got a cast and crew full of absolute legends in their prime, and the reviews might even have been good - and yet now they're complete obscurities almost no one seems to have seen.

A lot of the time that's because they weren't actually that good after all (like The Sand Pebbles apparently) and nature took its course. But I find something fascinating about these films that fell out of 'the canon' for whatever reason.
post #127 of 380

Here's one: Jacknife (1989).

 

De Niro.
Ed Harris.

Kathy Baker.

 

Summary: A conflict develops between a troubled Vietnam veteran and the sister he lives with when she becomes involved romantically with the army buddy who reminds him of the tragic battle they both survived.

 

This had AWARDS BAIT all over it. Received one Golden Globe, but that's it.

post #128 of 380

CAPTAIN CORELLI'S MANDOLIN

 

I remember trailers for this this thing making it look like the second coming of Christ.  This was going to be THE prestige film of 2001.

 

Yeah.

post #129 of 380

Robert DeNiro's later career might be a good fit for this thread. 

post #130 of 380

The 2006 adaptation of The Painted Veil. Love story, exotic/historical setting, sumptuously shot, starring Ed Norton, Naomi Watts, and Toby Jones, released during Oscar season. This was forgotten before it even happened.



 



post #131 of 380

Jacknife was also adapted from an award-winning play. But it's really fucking good.

 

I think In Country, Bruce Willis' Nam Vet drama, was reaching for praise more, but it also has its merits.

post #132 of 380
Anybody see "Babel?" I loved it, saw it twice in the theater and have probably watched it three or four more times on DVD.

Cue Godsmack's "I Stand Alone."
post #133 of 380
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Anybody see "Babel?" I loved it, saw it twice in the theater and have probably watched it three or four more times on DVD.

Cue Godsmack's "I Stand Alone."
I love the Japanese chapter.

The rest of it can fuck off, though.
post #134 of 380
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Anybody see "Babel?" I loved it, saw it twice in the theater and have probably watched it three or four more times on DVD.

Cue Godsmack's "I Stand Alone."

 

Cue Gaspar Noe's I Stand Alone

 

post #135 of 380
I've seen Gaspar Noe's "I Stand Alone." The protag is like a proto-Trump supporter.
post #136 of 380
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I've seen Gaspar Noe's "I Stand Alone." The protag is like a proto-Trump supporter.


I was one the few to see it in theaters in France! Besides TAXI DRIVER it reminded me of Louis-Ferdinand Celine, one of our very best writers, and a nazi sympathizer.

 

...

 

Yeah, that kind of makes sense.

post #137 of 380

SYRIANA and TRAFFIC strike me as two films marketed or presented as prestige flicks that don't seem to be discussed or referenced much. I remember the former being solidly good without being great. I barely remember anything about the latter.

post #138 of 380
All I remember about Syriana is the fingernail scene. Good times.
post #139 of 380

That's what you get when you remake a critically acclaimed British series that already said everything you needed to say. The only thing I remember about Soderbergh's version is the changing colour palette. 

post #140 of 380
I remember like a dozen teenagers getting bounced out of my screening of "Traffic" like two minutes in. That was cool.
post #141 of 380
Soderbergh has at least two other prestige movies that nobody talks about anymore: ERIN BROCKOVICH and BEHIND THE CANDELABRA.

I like the guy, but he's best when doing genre flicks. Which bodes well for LOGAN LUCKY.
post #142 of 380

Did I hear someone say COLOR GRADING?

 

post #143 of 380
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Soderbergh has at least two other prestige movies that nobody talks about anymore: ERIN BROCKOVICH and BEHIND THE CANDELABRA.

I like the guy, but he's best when doing genre flicks. Which bodes well for LOGAN LUCKY.

Ironically, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend just recently made reference to Brockovich. Not just the person, but the film.
post #144 of 380

Yeah, I don't consider Erin Brockovich "forgotten." Not like Lorenzo's Oil or A Civil Action.

 

Or ooh whatever that Harrison Ford doctor movie was.

post #145 of 380

I remember A CIVIL ACTION!!!  I dig that movie a bunch!

 

but yeah, it's pretty much forgotten

post #146 of 380
Thread Starter 
Behind The Candelabra was a hoot! If anything it was underrated from day one. I also wouldn't say Erin Brokovich is forgotten at all, even if people don't talk about it all the time. If there's such a thing as a Julia Roberts canon, it's close to the top of it.

Traffic might qualify though, considering it was a pretty big deal at the time. It doesn't seem to get referred back to much in terms of crime or drug movies.

Wasn't Syriana written by the same guy? The king of worthy ensemble stodge.

There's probably something inherently transient about most 'issue' movies, they're relics as soon as the conversation moves on. Like how no one's in a big rush to catch up with all those Nam vet movies anymore.
post #147 of 380
I have only heard of lorenzos oil because of a joke at the end of the movie paul which made zero sense so I had to look it up. I still don't get it.

I'm sure it's been mentioned but the artist. Totally forgettable. Pleasant fluff.
post #148 of 380
I always associate LORENZO'S OIL with a gag from THE CRITIC.

THE ARTIST wasn't really a prestige movie originally. Just a light lark doing the festival circuit. Then it became OSCAR: THE MOVIE once award buzz set in.
post #149 of 380

Speaking of The Verdict: another wannabe prestige Newman film that doesn't get mentioned much, if at all: Absence of Malice. I've never actually seen the entire film. but the climactic confrontation, helmed by Wilford Brimley(!), works like gangbusters. Feels almost like Sorkin's work.

 

post #150 of 380
Thread Starter 

The thing about The Artist is, like Avatar, no one seems to be able to stop talking about how forgotten it is.

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