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post #1 of 326
Thread Starter 
So it begins...again.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=17520

What really interests me is the new HDR tech and new digital copy mechanisms coming.

So where this thread will vary up from the previous blu-ray thread, is we'll try to tackle both physical and digital media as well as gear associated with it.
post #2 of 326
Finally "Fantastic Four" in 4K!
post #3 of 326

The HDR stuff is going to be the 'motion smoothing' of UHD. It's a buzz word feature that is only going to result in a picture that doesn't look anything like the filmmakers intended.


Edited by Fafhrd - 9/8/15 at 12:11am
post #4 of 326
Thread Starter 
Well that sucks.

Fantastic Four with 4x the quality...picture wise.
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I saw some 4k stuff demo'd in a local electronics store, and whether it was the TVs smoothing settings or the additoinal leap in hyper-real imaging, but I really struggled to enjoy it. The "more basic" 1080p LG OLED, on the other hand. Yes, please. 

post #6 of 326
Motion smoothing offends me on a cellular level. Of course, I still own an analog TV.
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WTF? You mean you don't like everything look like a Benny Hill skit?
Shame!
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If I ever do upgrade to an HDTV, do they make any for people who want to see movies the way the filmmakers want us to see them?
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WTF? You mean you don't like everything look like a Benny Hill skit?
Shame!
Y'all know that you can turn that off right? I had to. Drives me nuts..
post #10 of 326

 

ETA: I really do not see why I need anything to look better than 1080p. That resolution already pushes its limits with me to begin with in many cases. Since blu-ray never really took off, why do "they" expect this to? The only reason I will move to 4k is if I have to buy a new TV and player at some point down the road and I can't find the perfectly suitable 1080p.

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If I ever do upgrade to an HDTV, do they make any for people who want to see movies the way the filmmakers want us to see them?

 

Get one with 120hz and you are good to go(most of them are now, except some 4k ones are stuck at 60hz I think?). 24fps divides evenly into 120, so you are seeing the framerate exactly the way it needs to be.

 

You'll just need to go through all the settings to get it back to normal out of the box. My 60 inch Vizio had some weird "Destroy all 24fps!" advanced setting that it took me a few days to find.

 

As for the titular topic, this format sounds like a mess. The storage capacity is 66 or 100gb for triple layer ones. That leaves litte to no room to grow for when they inevitably improve the codec and the quality in a few years. It's also a hard limit on the choice of 4k 3D or 2k HDR 3D, it would take double that space to do 4k HDR 3D.

 

The comments on the blu-ray.com article say that most of those Fox movies don't even have a real 4k theatrical master, except for The Maze Runner? Some were shot in 2.5 or 2.8k, with all the effects shots rendered at 2k, so the movies are essentially stuck at 2k. These 4k blu-rays will be upscales.

 

HDR is still the industry buzzword for 48fps, right? I remember hearing about Days Of Future past being shot in 48fps, but they decided against it for a theatrical release. It's unknown if there is an actual 48fps theatrical master of it, but it's unlikely, since that would be a big waste of money rendering the CGI at 48 when you aren't going to release it that way. That would make it fake HDR on the new format, with interpolated frames, not real frames. Jesus. I don't know why they are even doing this out of the gate, since HDR has no marketing value. 

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HFR is 48 fps. HDR is High Dynamic Range, which means they'll be blowing out the shadows while also keeping the exposure the same on the lit portions of the image, because for some reason people thought that effect looked cool back in 2012. 

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But aren't the shadows part of the director's intent or do we just not give a fuck anymore?
post #14 of 326
Thread Starter 
Grabbing an Xbox one s and Batman v Superman. Reviews a coming.
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I stopped in the "dark living room" area of Best Buy today, looking to see if they had any 4K demo units set up. I've only seen them at BJ's before, and the one there was just playing a canned commercial loop from some unknown signal source.

 

The Best Buy guy offered to show me a 4k bluray disc demo. He took me over to an ugly looking curved shiny-glass screen model, a Samsung J9500 I believe. It looked 50 or 55 inches or so. Even the black screen as he popped the disc in was running ridiculously white hot brightness, it was practically light grey. I asked him about what they had it set at, he said their general policy is to keep at it factory default settings and just leave it on demo mode.

 

The demo disc was Life Of Pi. First I saw the 20th Century Fox logo, ridiculously orange, so the default colors were hot too. He jumped to the scene where the kid is swatting at the tiger on the boat with a pole. After a few seconds I asked if he could turn the motion smoothing off. He made a valiant effort to dive into the Expert settings, but when he tried to change it, the system was locked, hahahaha.

 

I gave it another 30 seconds, then thanked him and moved on. It was difficult to make any judgements on the quality of the 4k disc with such godawful settings on the TV. The motion smoothing was hitching too, so I think the movie wasn't playing in 24fps. The tiger looked sharp and vivid enough when he stopped for a second, but also noticably pixelly. That could be jacked up sharpness settings on the TV, so I couldn't make any judgement on resolution either.

 

So, if you are shopping for a 4K TV, making an informed purchase must be pretty diffcult. Even Best Buy employees are locked out of the picture settings, hahaha. Maybe a manager could override it if they were chill enough? Best Buy, BJ's, and Target are pretty much the only places to get a 4K TV out here in RI (the guys at Target are dickheads, I didn't try asking about settings there). Maybe if you are on the west coast, they'd be more accomodating at a place like Fry's or something?

post #16 of 326
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Went to Best Buy.
Yeah we got a nice Sony 4K TV, and threw a first world pompous fit. If I was going to drop several K on a TV, it needed to be calibrated. I'll admit I was impressed that they got the guy out, played with the settings, and it looked great. They guy even told me some settings I could do out of the box, and if I wanted calibration done, he said he would bring some beer to soften me being ripped off for getting him out there. He also told me he hated having The Amazing Spider-Man 2 on loop, so I requested him put in The Dark Knight blu ray, and that opening scene still looked great.

So yeah, I had a...good customer experience.

So just bought a house, Comcast comes Thursday, Google Fiber in a year. Then God knows how many updates to systems.
post #17 of 326

This here sounds like good demo material: The 2015 IMAX documentary Humpback Whales

 

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/item/humpback-whales-uhd

 

According to the review, it's at true 4k resolution, downsampled from the original 11k IMAX source. The disc has HDR and non-HDR versions, so it should be good for all 4K sets and players.

post #18 of 326
Thread Starter 
Picking up a Xbox One S today!!!!

For the moment it's only going to be connected into a sound bar, but for the theater being limited to 1080P 3D, thought this was a good way to start.

Also picked up The Revenant.
post #19 of 326
Thread Starter 
Watched BvS. There are some shots that looked drop dead gorgeous. Then half my screen flickered off. Sony is sending people over to fix it.
post #20 of 326
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Watched BvS. There are some shots that looked drop dead gorgeous. Then half my screen flickered off. Sony is sending people over to fix it.

Your tv was just trying to save you from the superman half of the movie.

post #21 of 326
Thread Starter 
So picked up 4K all up and running.

Batman v Superman: 3.5/5 - There are quite a few shots in this movie that are demo worthy. In fact the fight looks spectacular. That said...MARTHA! The Ultimate Edition is a better movie, but these are not the heroes we are used to seeing.

The Revenant: 5/5 - This just flat out looked amazing. Also made me want to go camping again.
post #22 of 326
I can't imagine what THE THIN RED LINE would look like.
post #23 of 326
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Originally Posted by Bluelouboyle View Post

I can't imagine what THE THIN RED LINE would look like.

 

Yeah, CGI-free celluloid spectacles are where this format really has the potential to shine.

 

The only released 4k title I can think of from the pre-digital compositing era is Ghostbusters '84.

 

It's not like the studios have any interest in making these distinctions clear to the consumer, of course. My knowledge isn't 100% on the subject, but I think any movie with CGI elements from the early 90s on (Jurassic Park, for instance) could be stuck as a 2k digital intermediate for all time.

 

Skimming a wikipedia on the subject, it looks like 1993 was around the time when it was possible to scan an entire movie in 2K. It's possible films with isolated CGI shots before that might be safe for 4K, since the individual CGI effects shots would be spliced in, leaving the rest of the movie safe in it's original film resolution.

 

From what I know of how the original TRON was made, that one could be incredible in 4K.

 

EDIT: Here's a handy list of released titles and their digital intermediates http://4kblurays.com/

 

I still unfortunately haven't gotten to actually test the 4K format in the flesh, but I have seen blu rays compressed in the new x265 codec. It is indeed a good improvement, especially for colors. If I had the proper setup, I'd probably buy a few 2K DI movies in UHD just for the improved colors.

post #24 of 326

So is this format dead yet?

post #25 of 326
The new Ghostbusters is being released in this format. So yes, it's dead.
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The new Ghostbusters is being released in this format. So yes, it's dead.

I can;t wait to see those sales numbers.

post #27 of 326

We'll finally know just how sexist the early 4K adopters truly are.

post #28 of 326
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Grabbed Deadpool, it's pretty.
post #29 of 326
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Grabbed Deadpool, it's pretty.

Probably should have waitied. On Black Friday you could get it cheap off Besy Buy or Wal-mart's website.

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Since PS4 Pro inexplicably doesn't have an HD Ultra drive, I'm now looking for one.  Why the fuck is the Xbox S basically the same price as standalone HD Ultra drives?  Am I missing something here?  If there are Black Friday Xbox S deals, that actually might be cheaper even though it may never get used to play games ... except maybe a few Xbox exclusives. 

 

On another note: how in the hell is Scorpio going to be compatible with Xbox One games moving forward?  It's projected to be about 3.5x as powerful. 

post #31 of 326
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Probably should have waitied. On Black Friday you could get it cheap off Besy Buy or Wal-mart's website.

Got it for $16.
post #32 of 326
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Got it for $16.

On Black Friday it would have been $9.99 and fellated you while it sadly wept at how cheaply it had been acquired.
post #33 of 326
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Got it for $16.

That's pretty good. On Black Friday it would have been like 18 so.....good for you!

post #34 of 326
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On Black Friday it would have been $9.99 and fellated you while it sadly wept at how cheaply it had been acquired.

I think the latest X-Men movie was $17.

The really sucky one.


Besides if it's cheaper for me to acquire something now, I'll get it now.

My equation of a price of a product: retail price + gas + time away from making money + future therapy for OCD
post #35 of 326
Thread Starter 
Got my hands on The Lego Movie, The Martian: EE, and Mad Max.
post #36 of 326

since ordering a PS4 (still waiting for it to be delivered), I've become so TEMPTED by those LG OLED UHD displays...

 

ongh...

 

such money...

post #37 of 326
I can't even imagine how much clearer I need this shit to be. My quaint display serves me fine...but I'm still wary of seeing this ULTRA HD running at full capacity...because then I'll start to get that itch..
post #38 of 326
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since ordering a PS4 (still waiting for it to be delivered), I've become so TEMPTED by those LG OLED UHD displays...

 

ongh...

 

such money...

 

Finally gave up waiting on a 75+ inch OLED retailing for less than 20kish.  Went with Sony 75XXXX940c and I absolutely love it. 

post #39 of 326
Thread Starter 
Yeah I've got the Sony 930d. The upscale capabilities on it are fantastic and the blacks it reproduces is fairly flawless. Slightly OT but the remastered Halo cut scenes look great. The X Box One S has been an awesome combo player.
post #40 of 326
Thread Starter 
So picked up Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond a while back. Both look and sound great. Started tweaking the lighting on the set, calibrating and what not. Was pleasantly surprised the set was automatically setting itself in HDR mode and upping the brightness. Pretty cool.

More first world issues...

So my iPhone records in 4K, but to watch it on my 4K tv I have to:
  1. Transfer the file off my phone
  2. Drag it to an external drive
  3. Plug drive into tv
  4. Sacrifice a small animal
  5. Play the thing, hoping the tv finds it.

I need a 4K AppleTV yesterday (I know the bean counters at Apple think its not early enough).
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I need a 4K AppleTV yesterday (I know the bean counters at Apple think its not early enough).

post #42 of 326
Thread Starter 
Holy shit did Power Rangers shoot up to become my new demo disk. Details are zeo crystal clear.

Movie still kinda sucks.
post #43 of 326

I remember a thread where someone here talked about getting an LG OLED and having some issues with it.

 

Was it not this thread?

 

I wanted to ask whatever happened with that problem and if it was resolved.

post #44 of 326

Might have been me, in the Home Theater thread. My issues were with the 3D filter, got a different one at Best Buy and it's been fine. Though I did discover what appears to be a dead pixel a few weeks back, but I literally can't see it at all from my normal viewing distance.

 

I'm also only running it at 1080p. Going to be building a new PC in the next couple months and will crank it to 4k once I have it.

post #45 of 326

Thanks for the update!

 

I'm so tempted to jump in on the few remaining 2016 models that still have 3D support; the last year they'd have it...

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If you've got a line on one and it's not open-box or a floor model I'd say go for it.

 

Otherwise hope that 3D comes back around in a few years. Probably once they can do glasses-free at TV scale.

post #47 of 326

I don't see 3D coming back when 4K blurays aren't even supporting it.

 

Or as you say... until they can get 3D to work without glasses

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I don't see 3D coming back when 4K blurays aren't even supporting it.

 

Or as you say... until they can get 3D to work without glasses

Fucking glasses. 

post #49 of 326

I got a new 4K TV as a father's day gift--I had a budget so I ended up with a Sceptre, but it really looks great. For the stuff I can find streaming to watch. I don't want to get a DVD player until they come down a bit more...maybe like the $100-$125 range. But I did get Scott Pilgrim in 4K from Fandango and it was really beautiful. I was also surprised at how much 4K stuff there is on YouTube.

 

And it's crazy how expensive the DVDs themselves are. I'm also back to the way I was with Blu-Rays where I would see something on the cheap and would buy it even though I didn't have a BR player yet.

post #50 of 326
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If you've got a line on one and it's not open-box or a floor model I'd say go for it.

 

Otherwise hope that 3D comes back around in a few years. Probably once they can do glasses-free at TV scale.

 

so... I went for it

 

I'm waiting for the freight company to ship it safely to me

 

I'm someone who gets super antsy whenever I make a big ticket electronics purchase like this.  Dead pixels.  Damage that I don't see coming until later.  All the little-to-big things that can go wrong with a complex piece of tech.

 

Also, in looking for various good 4K UHD movies to go with the TV, I'm learning a bit about what discs are worth getting.  The big thing I'm learning more about is the fact that most movies are finished with a 2K DI, so many of the discs are going to feature upscaled transfers that won't look that much better than a blu-ray (especially at a reasonable sitting distance from the screen).  

 

Of course, there's the increased color-fidelity with HDR, but that's hit or miss with most movies too unless the transfers are specifically calibrated to take advantage of that.  (Curaon and his colorist did a whole new color grade for the 4K HDR release of THE REVENANT, for instance).

 

Also, as someone who enjoys 3D movies done well... it's a bit disappointing to see that 4K releases (that generally come packaged with the blu-ray as well) don't really come packaged with the 3D blu-ray.  So something like KONG SKULL ISLAND won't have its 3D version packaged with the 4K release... UNLESS it's a Best Buy exclusive (which is now sold out and being sold for higher prices on ebay).

 

I pre-ordered Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 through Best Buy because they're going to get the exclusive release that comes with both 4K and 3D blurays.

 

From reading various reviews of 4K discs, I'm learning that SONY's series of catalog releases (Leon, Crouching Tiger, Fifth Element, etc) are really nice examples of what 4K can do for relatively older films.  Because they're shot on film, Sony can go back and remaster them in 4K so that the picture is a true 4K picture instead of an upscale from a 2K source.  

 

 

eugh... jumping into another pricey format shift.

 

WHAT HAVE I DONE????

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