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post #1201 of 1752

Munson, my SR hovers between 1900-2100, I had a disastrous start and was bronze coming out of my placement matches. I was platinum in previous season, but I am an average player overall. 

 

I have played 100's of hours of both hearthstone and Overwatch, so I often suspected what was happening. But what finally sold me was watching a few videos of pro players discussing what happens in solo que at the super high ranks, basically they said this. That after you have won a couple, the system just tries to 'give' you losses. Their answer to was to que up in 2's and 3's, because they say that it is harder for the system to set u up for a loss. With 5 or 6 u often get smurfed by pro groups, with solo que, you get those players trolling their way down the ranks. 

 

Another game I play uses a similar but more open system. In tournemant play on Clash Royale, you will be matched up each round with someone with the same record, now this is completely fair and openly done, so no issue whatsoever. But I have also watched numerous videos on the psychology of f2p games, in order to stimulate spending, the devs construct paywalls, and like to string both rewards and failures together to produce a spending response in the player.

 

Now I know for a fact that hearthstone does this. Everything from how your deck comes out, to your matchup, to the RNG in the various phases of the game are all 'weighted'. The game wants it to be a close match, so the RNG swings are so wild and disgusting, you are almost better off playing from behind and playing for a one turn kill. The meticulous accumulation of small advantages that you go for in a game like chess can actually be death in hearthstone. The worldchampionships were so bad on this level (the eventual champion pulling off numerous 1/100 luck draws to save a match) that the community has started to take notice.

 

Now if you listen to the devs talk about 'mmr' in overwatch. What they again want is a 'close' game, that is why the 'secret mmr' exists to begin with. To promote close games and in their minds increase player retention. But if your skill rating is 1900, but your MMR is much higher, then the system will balance your team with you and some less skilled players to promote a better overall match in that given game, the devs have openly said this. However, if you are the player with the higher MMR, you are now in solo-que hell.

 

Now I don't know my MMR, it may be that I have a super low MMR and am getting carried every game.....I really don't know. But I do know that Blizzard continues to tweak their games so that random is not random. 

post #1202 of 1752

Even without the board-clearing ult, D.Va was a little OP. Let's be honest.

post #1203 of 1752
SO happy to see those changes, I'll get my golden hook after all.

lol poor D.va.

D.va 0, bad guys 1
post #1204 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

Even without the board-clearing ult, D.Va was a little OP. Let's be honest.

 

Only in as much as she didn't need to run away from every fight like before.  Before her buff I could not go toe-to-toe(within D. Va's damage range) with anyone either because the damage taken was death almost immediately or my movement speed kept me from dealing any significant damage because people could easily move out of my way.

 

After the buff I will admit that things are much better and maybe a bit too much.  But swapping the Armor/Health ain't the way to go if you ALSO decrease her damage.  She is back to being pre-buff nigh unusable.  Don't fiddle with her damage and make the armor health 300/300 or make it 200/350 and you still have a usable hero. 

 

What they are testing is pure garbage and seems more designed to remove a Tank as an option in the Tank meta.

post #1205 of 1752
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Originally Posted by 3nnui View Post
 

I have played 100's of hours of both hearthstone and Overwatch, so I often suspected what was happening. But what finally sold me was watching a few videos of pro players discussing what happens in solo que at the super high ranks, basically they said this. That after you have won a couple, the system just tries to 'give' you losses. Their answer to was to que up in 2's and 3's, because they say that it is harder for the system to set u up for a loss. With 5 or 6 u often get smurfed by pro groups, with solo que, you get those players trolling their way down the ranks. 

 

This isn't a nefarious scheme to "make you lose" though. If you are winning, you're better then your competition. So it increases your competition, and you get better opponents. I hover around 2500, and I get lots of games with a diamond, and a couple golds to "balance" it out. Sometimes it works, sometimes you get clowned. At everything below Grand Master your hidden mmr is going to be fairly accurate to your competition unless your playing at horrible off hours.

post #1206 of 1752

I'm going to be in quickplay with my boy KP tonight helping him get to 25. If anyone feels like taking a break from competitive and watching me play Torbjorn, you're more than welcome.

post #1207 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post

I'm going to be in quickplay with my boy KP tonight helping him get to 25. If anyone feels like taking a break from competitive and watching me play Torbjorn, you're more than welcome.

I am quite possibly down for this just to take the edge off and maybe to work on my Reinhardt play.

Fucking D. Va nerfs...
post #1208 of 1752

Be on in a few after I go to the frosty barley pop store.

post #1209 of 1752

While I agree that the hook needed work, it feels so weird to be getting tank nerfs, when 76 can wreck up anything, and Symettra is an insanse beast now.

 

I'd also be fine with Mei getting some nerfs.  She's so survivable, and her insta-slow ice beam has a wide hitbox.

post #1210 of 1752
I have enough for a gold weapon. I don't know which to get....Zen or Hog?
post #1211 of 1752
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Originally Posted by RonaldPerlman View Post

I have enough for a gold weapon. I don't know which to get....Zen or Hog?

 

Golden Balls?!

post #1212 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post

Golden Balls?!

More like Golden Nuts.



Edit: I got Zen's. I'll get Road next.
Edited by RonaldPerlman - 1/13/17 at 1:52pm
post #1213 of 1752
Well you should take into account which would be easier to clean blood and guts off of. A bunch of golden spheres, or a golden hook.
post #1214 of 1752
The balls are probably easier to just throw in the dishwasher.
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post #1216 of 1752
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Originally Posted by RonaldPerlman View Post

The balls are probably easier to just throw in the dishwasher.

 

Clean balls are a virtue.  Be gentle.

post #1217 of 1752

It's a shame it takes them a LOT longer to add heroes to this game.  Heroes of the Storm is on a very consistent 1 hero per month plan that's been paying off very well.  One a month is may too much to ask for due to balance etc, but maybe one every three months?  I get the feeling they don't actually want a giant Moba roster like Heroes.  

post #1218 of 1752
Thread Starter 

Kaplan's said they playtest their heroes and mess around with their abilities a LOT before they consider them ready for release. There are a ton of balance effects to consider before one can be added to the roster. How heroes synergize with others, how they're able to be countered, how their ults play and how they feel to be played against. All of that. 

 

And even after all of that, tons of issues can pop up once they're being played by the audience. As seen with Ana and Sombra.

 

He's mentioned one is getting close to release (Doomfist I'm guessing) while two others are in the planning phase.

 

Not to mention they're also working on new maps, new game modes AND new events. The OW team's fucking busy so I'm good with them taking their time when needed. They damn well earned their Christmas cookies that's for sure. 

 

Check out their Developer Update vids on Youtube. It's fucking awesome how transparent and honest he is about their processes. 

post #1219 of 1752
To be clear, heroes has added something like 12 new heroes over the past year? All with very similar ability amounts and TWO ults instead of one and an entire tree of progression choices a player can customize into with each game.

Aside from the third dimension heroes is endlessly more deep than the Overwatch meta so testing and balance Etc is only an excuse that takes you so far. Another blizzard game figures it out.

But like I said, maybe a three dimensional shooter is just a thousand times harder to figure out. Don't see why though.
post #1220 of 1752
To be fair I think there is more opportunities for "different" heroes in Hots vs OW. And talents are usually an illusion of choice, there is always 1 or 2 builds anyways.
post #1221 of 1752
Doomfist better be Johnny Storm and be a polar opposite hard counter to Mei. I am getting so sick of being frozen and unable to counter her.
post #1222 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Munson View Post

To be fair I think there is more opportunities for "different" heroes in Hots vs OW. And talents are usually an illusion of choice, there is always 1 or 2 builds anyways.

It's still better than no choices.  

post #1223 of 1752
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post

Doomfist better be Johnny Storm and be a polar opposite hard counter to Mei. I am getting so sick of being frozen and unable to counter her.

 

Pharah says hi. 

post #1224 of 1752
First Doomfist artwork has been data mined by Reddit!

post #1225 of 1752
That is not real.
post #1226 of 1752

Its turtle-y real.  Doomfist has got dem ARMS.

post #1227 of 1752
you don't wanna catch dem hands
post #1228 of 1752

buck buck Mei fuckers, Chinese New Year event

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/821900007649329153

 

***EDIT***

 

http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/18/14319662/overwatch-chinese-new-year-event-year-of-the-rooster

A Blizzard spokesperson confirmed to Polygon that Overwatch’s Year of the Rooster event will be similar in scope to previous game events, such as Halloween Terror and Winter Wonderland.

 

So confirmed new skins for at least Mei and Dva. 

 

I'm curious as to what the special mode will be this time.  Perhaps all the chokepoints will be redecorated with a bunch of rooster paraphernalia.  CHOKE THE CHICKEN!


Edited by CD Underbelly - 1/19/17 at 1:29am
post #1229 of 1752
Cue all the Mei loves the Cock memes.
post #1230 of 1752
Thread Starter 

Dat D.Va skin tho...

post #1231 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Codename View Post
 

Dat D.Va skin tho...

 

The conundrum now is do I waste coins on that skin when I am never going to play her in comp once they nerf her into the ground.

post #1232 of 1752
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
 

 

The conundrum now is do I waste coins on that skin when I am never going to play her in comp once they nerf her into the ground.

well said, I am really gonna miss my 4 gold medals, I have already started working on my winston. 

post #1233 of 1752
post #1234 of 1752

Realized I was playing a lot, but not really enjoying most of my time doing so.

 

Uninstalled, hope I don't get roped back.

post #1235 of 1752

:(

post #1236 of 1752

Interesting and educational.  Hope it turns out to be true.  Dat Reihnardt skin.

 

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post #1238 of 1752

I'm always impressed by how hard Blizzard hit on pop culture with Overwatch. It's kind of nuts.

post #1239 of 1752

Capture the Flag game mode and skins galore.  Damn.  I thought this was gonna just be a throwaway for Mei since her Winter skin was so maligned.  This was a fully planned thing.  Glad I have been taking my lunch to work the past two weeks.  Gonna have to buy loot boxes again.  Oh hell, I forgot I still have a PSN gift card from Christmas!

 

 

 

Some people are speculating that the end of the video shows either one or two things.  Possibly a new D. Va emote with her bowing OR by looking at the surroundings she is in a possible Korea map.  Maybe an Arcade only Map like Ecopoint.

 

Ganymede is also a Rooster if you pause the video on Bastion's reveal.

post #1240 of 1752
Thread Starter 

Oh dayum. That's fucking awesome. Monkey King Winston and that Reinhardt skin are my favourite. 

 

A new Arcade map would definitely be welcome. Really tired of Eco-point.

post #1241 of 1752

Guess I will be buying my very first POP figure soon...

 

Wave 2 of Overwatch Pop Vinyls Coming in 2017

 

*EDIT* Sneakiii, a support Overwatch streamer, has a cool Kings Row poster hanging on his wall.  Found where he got it from.


Edited by TzuDohNihm - 1/24/17 at 8:54am
post #1242 of 1752
This is from the same author of the video I posted previously. Again, interesting and educational.

post #1243 of 1752

 

 

Can't wait to see if this does any good.

 

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 Players can now join Team Chat from the Hero Select screen (Push “RB” on the Xbox One controller and push “R1” on the PlayStation 4 controller)

Edited by TzuDohNihm - 1/24/17 at 1:43pm
post #1244 of 1752
As I feared, CTF without abilility limitation is just the worst. I threw down a teleporter, cloaked in, grabbed the flag, teleported back, and captured the flag in less than 30 secomds. Terrible.

Another time as Lucio I speed boosted a Dva who had the enemy flag, and we got it back to our point in less than 15 seconds. Fuck this game!
post #1245 of 1752
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post

The conundrum now is do I waste coins on that skin when I am never going to play her in comp once they nerf her into the ground.

You know what though? I was maining D.va back when her Mek was made of paper and her self-destruct killed you. So fuck it. I'll make this work.
post #1246 of 1752
Hog is now everything I ever wanted him to be.
post #1247 of 1752

Hey ya'll let me know when you have a roster spot open

post #1248 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
 

Hey ya'll let me know when you have a roster spot open

 

Weeknights have sorta gotten into a first come first served situation with a core group of three guaranteed(4th about 90% of the time) I believe.  Weekends might be locked up as that guarantees a five stack with the 6th being 90%.

 

SR matters now too I think as 1-2 of the group are consistently pushing 2800+ so 1800 I think is the floor.

 

That being said we do have three people going semi-regularly that have shown up from the Destiny clan who may be interested in trying to do something ongoing.

post #1249 of 1752

Dead to me.

 

 

Seriously though, congrats.  Is this CHUDs first Diamond?

post #1250 of 1752
Thread Starter 

Congrats from the guy that spends all his time in Arcade Mode!

 

Ugh, got Mei's Chang'e skin...twice. I mean, it's a nice skin but if that was my legendary wad blown for this event I'm gonna be PISSED! 

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