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post #251 of 318

I'm not going to say it all works, but enough of it's working that I'm happy to be along for the ride. The grenade scene was perfect. Amos and Holden exchanging looks while listening to the protomolecule soldier going ham was priceless.

post #252 of 318

"Going ham"?

post #253 of 318

Do kids today still say that?

 

EDIT: God bless reddit. Asked for a reaction gif of Amos and Holden, and reddit doesn't disappoint.

 


Edited by tcjsavannah - 4/7/17 at 8:51am
post #254 of 318

Normally, the wonderful way they tricked the audience into thinking that Errinwright was going to kill himself only to reveal it was part of a plan of revenge would have been my favorite part of the episode. But, no. That goes to the way I went from thinking "Fuck you, Naomi" when she took down Amos, to being amazed that she was actually pulling it off, to being hit in the feelz when she's pushed back onto the ship and told that she's not finished yet. 

 

Great episode. 

post #255 of 318

Yeah, the stuff on the Somnambulist worked better than I thought it would. But damn if I didn't want Draper to go apeshit on Mao's ship. We still haven't seen book Bobbie yet at all, 11 episodes into the season, and time's running out.

post #256 of 318

This is why reading the books afterward is a win for me. I really like TV Bobbie; even more so now she's paired with Cotyar and Chrisjen, and giggling at their bickering. Talking of which, I adored Chrisjen telling Mao to just get to the fucking point. Girl don't give a fuck.

post #257 of 318

If you like TV Chrisjen, book Chrisjen is that ramped up until 11. Again, just WAITING on the day Amos and Chrissie get together on screen.

post #258 of 318
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Yeah, the stuff on the Somnambulist worked better than I thought it would. But damn if I didn't want Draper to go apeshit on Mao's ship. We still haven't seen book Bobbie yet at all,

We did see her go to town on those cucumber sandwiches, though. Which was adorable.

 

She'll have her moment in the finale, I'm sure.

 

I do wonder if they'll get to a point where each season isn't straddling two books. I genuinely thought that they'd be finishing Caliban's War this season, but there's a ways to go yet.

post #259 of 318

Oh man, what a good episode. Holden's Ahab routine seems just a little out of left field. Naomi's story with the big fella hit me right in the feels. Bobbie was all kinds of cute smiling and giggling at those two on the ride, and getting her cucumber on. And, my speculation is that Errinwright​ was bluffing about being that mad at Chrisjen, so Mao believed he would shoot them out of the sky, er space, whatevs. I think he's gonna hand Mao right over to Chrisjen. I'm probably wrong about that.

post #260 of 318

That was damn good TV.

 

A question though. Did half the warships in the system back down from a single gunship? Did I miss something about the Roci being some super-powerful death machine?  

post #261 of 318

Roci still has a shitload of torpedoes I believe. And the fleets didn't want to risk the damage his suicide run would do. He was pretty much doing the space version of threatening to pull the grenade pin.  Also, I doubt anyone really wanted to be blamed for wiping out a ship full of refugees. Not worth the trouble. He was also doing the same thing he did after the Cant blew up and broadcasting everywhere so people would KNOW the fleets wiped out innocent people. 

 

GREAT fucking episode this. That was a great speech by Holden. Naomi's Sophie Choice moment was played incredibly well (and FUCK that big dude was a bro of bros) and oh god, Bobbie with the cucumber sandwiches was just the best. I have a maaaaaaasive crush on Frankie Adams...

 

I don't want this season to be over :'(. 

 

Although I guess that would give me time to catch up on the books...

 

Cool fact I found out today: Apparently the authors hung out with Andy Weir at a convention once and they all decided that The Martian takes place in The Expanse's universe. Apparently one of the later books has a ship named the Mark Whatney. :D 

post #262 of 318

Yeah, it was essentially a 'Don't be first' play. The Roci is a top of the range Corvette from the Martian Flagship, so she's going to be good. Not enough to take everyone down, but enough to take out a ship or two and do some major damage to a few more. With things as finely balanced as they were between Earth and Mars around the planet, who wants to risk that kind of loss?

 

Earth would be hoping Mars would take a shot and lose a few ships, Mars would be hoping Earth would do the same. Neither would want to shoot at a ship of refugees without orders and the instructions would probably take 15 minutes or so to get back to them from the inner planets. Net result, no-one does anything.

post #263 of 318

Sometimes people can surprise us.

 

post #264 of 318
Season finale tonight! Very curious where it will end.

And then binge the whole series again quickly. Many of these I've only seen once so I can rewatch it all as one piece. Easily my favorite show this season.
post #265 of 318

Solid Season Finale.  I really hope more people discover this in the next year when both seasons hit streaming.

post #266 of 318

This was pretty awesome and was definitely a good place to end the season on. This show is amazing and it deserves more exposure!

 

Also I'm crushing on Bobbie Draper so hard.

post #267 of 318

Didn't end with the final line I expected it to end with, but it still works. The tinkering with the books vs. series seems to be working well, though I still wish we had gotten more badass Draper this season. Looking forward to seeing Bobbie & Chrisjen's adventures to open S3, and the eventual meetup with the Roci.

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post #269 of 318

One of the few shows I watch which hasn't, in my eyes, had a bad episode yet. In fact, this second season has been even stronger than the first and it's always a good sign when I reach the end of a finale and instantly want more. I really enjoy these characters and this universe. 

post #270 of 318
Did Chrisjen and Bobbie's story line end with a rescue, or do I need to rewatch?

Even as someone who hasnt read the books, its pretty clear that they've split these seasons up a little awkwardly.
post #271 of 318
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Did Chrisjen and Bobbie's story line end with a rescue, or do I need to rewatch?

Even as someone who hasnt read the books, its pretty clear that they've split these seasons up a little awkwardly.
Bobbie WAS the rescue. I guess it could have been stated a little clearer, but no one on that ship can fuck with her at all when she has that armor on. And there was a line thrown out when the guard was trying to get Cotyar to surrender that there is a smaller ship on board that would allow him to leave with Bobbie.

There will be a reveal when we get back to them next season, but they are relatively safe on the ship as long as Bobbie is around.
post #272 of 318
The adaptation aspect of this is still fascinating. They hit all of the big moments from the books, but sometimes with different characters, and sometimes taking completely divergent paths to get there.

What happened to the Arborghast is exactly what happened in the book, but it was just a report that Avasarala received as a video feed showing the ship taken apart. Having the experience build up and be with the crew through each step (Hello Adam Savage sans glasses!) made the final effect all the more awe inspiring. LOVED the look on the scientists face, even as he was about to die he still had a small smile of wonder.

And I didn't put it together on the live watch, but the Arborghast was only taken apart immediately AFTER the hybrid was blasted by the Roci's engine plume. There was communication between the hybrid and Venus. Another aspect that was clear in the books but not overly stated on the show. But it is clear once it was pointed out.

Next year can't come fast enough. Hope we all survive until then.
post #273 of 318

I'm late to the party, but this was a great show.

 

And I will echo that Chrisjen didn't give two craps about anyone and was hardcore with everyone.

 

I am surprised at the amount of "fucks" that were thrown around on a network show. Even an "m'fer" was through out there.

 

Good  show all around, a lot of action and espionage going on.

 

Hopefully the show stays on long enough to finish the story they are telling here.

post #274 of 318

Watched the pilot yesterday. I was very impressed!

post #275 of 318
You know what's great, Boone?
 
It gets better.
post #276 of 318

Look, I am all about cool uniforms. 

 

You know what this has?

 

Cool uniforms. 

post #277 of 318
Damn skippy it does!

MCRN uniforms are tiiiight.

I'm not sure I commented on the finale but that was one hell of an Alien montage. Prax is a fantastic addition to the crew and Bobbie is bae.

Gonna use this wait for the next season to read the books.
post #278 of 318

On the fifth episode of season two, so going to skip most of the thread. 

 

Random thoughts:

 

--Thought the first half of the first season was mostly memorable for world building.  Off the top of my head, I cannot remember another space opera that featured a non-FTL universe.  I found it fascinating.  All too often productions are in a rush to go galactic, while this really gives us a well conceived look at solar system colonization.  The belters, Mars v. Earth, it's fucking great.  Even the inclusion of the Mormon faith was presented plausibly.

 

--The  first half of season one has perhaps a slightly too languid pace, but the second half is just a rollercoaster.  The noir vibe really kicks in and I could not praise the second half of season one more.

 

--I'm on the fence about season two.  First, some of the decisions of the characters really strain plausibility.  There are sudden, dramatic choices that really come out of nowhere.  Second, they better not be getting rid of Jane, cause he's the heart of the show and giving the best performance of the entire cast  Finally, the political scenes are just falling flat for me.  Totally.  Terrorist Mom from 24 has been one-note from the first episode, I couldn't care less about her machinations nor the rest of the political drama, and she seems to be dreadfully miscast.  In fact, I would say the  casting of the show has been surprisingly inconsistent.  For example, they managed to miscast every single one of the Martian marine crew.  All of them.  They're like rejects from a CW super hero show.  None of them are believable as soldiers.  

 

--I'll be sticking with it, but I'm starting to worry about the direction that they're going in.  Is this going to be a war show?  If so, they need to really up their game in portraying high level political/military decisions.  Is it going to go with the noir, world exploring vibe from the first season?  Cause that seems to have been abandoned almost entirely.  Are we going to see more "special forces in space" content?  Hard to tell.    

 

 I'm wondering if aliens aren't going to arrive and force the Solar system to unite, rendering all of this moot.  

 

--I'm enjoying it, but I hope some of this unevenness in tone resolves over the remaining season.  

post #279 of 318

Season 2 comes together well by the end. And your valid complaint of odd character choices comes straight from the books.

post #280 of 318
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On the fifth episode of season two, so going to skip most of the thread. 

Random thoughts:

--Thought the first half of the first season was mostly memorable for world building.  Off the top of my head, I cannot remember another space opera that featured a non-FTL universe.  I found it fascinating.  All too often productions are in a rush to go galactic, while this really gives us a well conceived look at solar system colonization.  The belters, Mars v. Earth, it's fucking great.  Even the inclusion of the Mormon faith was presented plausibly.

--The  first half of season one has perhaps a slightly too languid pace, but the second half is just a rollercoaster.  The noir vibe really kicks in and I could not praise the second half of season one more.

--I'm on the fence about season two.  First, some of the decisions of the characters really strain plausibility.  There are sudden, dramatic choices that really come out of nowhere.  Second, they better not be getting rid of Jane, cause he's the heart of the show and giving the best performance of the entire cast  Finally, the political scenes are just falling flat for me.  Totally.  Terrorist Mom from 24 has been one-note from the first episode, I couldn't care less about her machinations nor the rest of the political drama, and she seems to be dreadfully miscast.  In fact, I would say the  casting of the show has been surprisingly inconsistent.  For example, they managed to miscast every single one of the Martian marine crew.  All of them.  They're like rejects from a CW super hero show.  None of them are believable as soldiers.  

--I'll be sticking with it, but I'm starting to worry about the direction that they're going in.  Is this going to be a war show?  If so, they need to really up their game in portraying high level political/military decisions.  Is it going to go with the noir, world exploring vibe from the first season?  Cause that seems to have been abandoned almost entirely.  Are we going to see more "special forces in space" content?  Hard to tell.    

 I'm wondering if aliens aren't going to arrive and force the Solar system to unite, rendering all of this moot.  

--I'm enjoying it, but I hope some of this unevenness in tone resolves over the remaining season.  

Avasarala and Amos are my two favorite characters on the show. Sorry you're not digging any of the political aspects, but I think by season three we should be at a place where we can settle down to the type of tone they are going for. At least in regards to the crew and the greater conflict. Not knowing exactly where certain characters stand can be frustrating, but it will make sense. The end of this season worked very well in that regard I think. Hope you dig it more by the time you reach the end.

Here's to season three.
post #281 of 318
BTW I also think of Agdashloo as the crazy 24 more mom. Every time she opens her mouth I expect her to scream, "BEHROOZ!!!"
post #282 of 318
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BTW I also think of Agdashloo as the crazy 24 more mom. Every time she opens her mouth I expect her to scream, "BEHROOZ!!!"

Seriously.  

 

Episodes 5 and 6 were great.  Just GREAT.  And why?  Cause the political shit took a back seat to the Roci crew and the absolutely amazing conclusion of Julie and Miller's story (at least, I assume it is the conclusion).  Really kind of restored my enthusiasm for the show.

 

Except, of course, we have Behrooz's mom giving the absolutely painful monologue about corporate hubris towards the end of E.6.  Jesus, she is miscast and isn't believable.  Considering how well they did in casting the other female roles in the show, how could they misfire so badly on that one?  

post #283 of 318
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Seriously.  

Episodes 5 and 6 were great.  Just GREAT.  And why?  Cause the political shit took a back seat to the Roci crew and the absolutely amazing conclusion of Julie and Miller's story (at least, I assume it is the conclusion).  Really kind of restored my enthusiasm for the show.

Except, of course, we have Behrooz's mom giving the absolutely painful monologue about corporate hubris towards the end of E.6.  Jesus, she is miscast and isn't believable.  Considering how well they did in casting the other female roles in the show, how could they misfire so badly on that one?  

Yeah, even though I remember her from 24 I don't think she is miscast at all. I love her casting (particularly for her ethnicity) and think she is doing an amazing job. Like I said she is one of my favorite characters on the show. She certainly has the gravitas required for the role. Is there anything specific you are finding lacking?

Having read the books (which SHOULDN'T effect the presentation of the show), I think she fits the character perfectly and I hope you will come around in the future. Especially once the possibility of storyline crossovers begin next season.
post #284 of 318
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 I love her casting (particularly for her ethnicity)  ...

 

What?  Seems like the ethnicity is irrelevant to the character (which is one of the things I like about the show, people are oriented around "homeworld" rather than ethnicity, which feels fresh and authentic given the mileu). 

 

I don't like her for the classic reason: I think she can't portray the role believably, whether it's poor acting or just miscasting, it doesn't work for me.   

 

**Within the same show, the actress portraying this Martian captain (whose name I don't recall, she's on the left) brought more gravitas and presence to her brief role in two episodes than Behrooz's mom has over the course of one and a half seasons:

 

post #285 of 318
With the ethnicity remark I just meant that in general the show is great at diversity and I appreciate it. I may have worded it badly.

I do sometimes have difficulty understanding what she is saying for a moment because of her accent, but it's endearing to me more than anything else. I suppose we'll just have to disagree on her performance because I am totally on board.

In all honesty the one major cast member I have any issues with is Stephen Strait as Holden. Which is disappointing considering he's the lead. This season had him making some drastic decisions (like trying kill Cotyar the researcher from Thoth) that I don't think he sold well, but that run in with the Dark Side should be about done for Holden.
post #286 of 318
Disagree on the wonderful Shoresh Aghdashloo as Chrisjen. I totally buy her as a ruthless and savvy politician. Sometimes I hate her. Sometimes I love her. Sometimes I love to hate her. She NEVER bores me though.
post #287 of 318

I'm going to have disagree with the assertion that Shoresh Aghdashloo is capable of "poor acting". I've not seen the movie for which she received an Oscar nomination, nor the television movie for which she won an Emmy, but her work throughout this show has been incredibly layered; successfully conveying a formidable woman of insight and strength. It's been one of the best performances throughout the two seasons, along with Thomas Jane and Wes Chatam (who plays Amos).

post #288 of 318

Chrissie is great. Amos is great. I know I've been a broken record on this but when those two get on screen together in season 3 it'll be fucking hilarious.

post #289 of 318

It's probably personal bias on my part, but I've got nothing but love for Chrisjen. I worked for a woman who was very similar to her for almost a decade. It gave me a thing for mature, hyper-competent, shrewd women who are usually 3 steps ahead of everyone else, yet people still tend to underestimate her. 

 

A lot of "enlightened" shows and movies will TELL us that their female characters are all these things.... but here, Chrisjen SHOWS us. I find it highly effective.

post #290 of 318

Chrisjen annoyed me in the first season, mostly because the political action on Earth seemed to drag the story down unnecessarily. I enjoyed her character much more in Season 2, especially once she teams up with Bobby. 

post #291 of 318

Overlord can at least acknowledge that Amos is the greatest fucking being in any universe right?

 

Then we can remain the best of friends. 

post #292 of 318
Chrisjen and Amos *are* the show. I can't wait for them to be in the same room. They . . . they do eventually meet, right? Nonono, don't tell me.
post #293 of 318
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Chrisjen and Amos *are* the show. I can't wait for them to be in the same room. They . . . they do eventually meet, right? Nonono, don't tell me.

 

Amos is fucking amazing (considering that actor is 6 feet and maybe 215ish pounds, just how small is everyone else cast in this show?).  Jared Harris just steals every scene.  I loved his "stump-off" on Tycho with Johnson and Audience Stand-In Protagonist.

 

Just wrapped up episode 8.  Oh man, is this getting great.  Beginning with episode 4ish, this season is getting better and better (as Earth politics takes a back seat).  The Johnson/Dawes schism has been riveting, everything involving Ganymede, fantastic ... I'm fully back on board. 

post #294 of 318

Just re-watched both seasons, and this is a series that replays re-watches as much as The Wire does. 

 

I especially love all the "bits of business" amongst the actors...to cite just one example, when Martin is reaming Bobbie Draper out about screwing up her testimony on Earth, he has this one line of dialogue where he's yelling about "that DAMN HORIZON" and you realize the entire time he's on Earth he's having trouble keeping it together. 

 

Also the speech Giant Belter gives to convince the refugees on Ganymede to calm down, then his pushing Naomi back onto the ship...damn. 

 

I have to admit that Plant Man still annoys the fuck out of me. 

 

Do we really know that the crews of the Mars and Earth ships on Venus are dead? I mean, the Proto-molecule can stop a ship decending at a high rate of speed without any inertia affecting the crew, then takes the ship apart while leaving all the parts, and the crew, suspended in mid air. Why not as a bonus of unbelievability also keep them alive? 

post #295 of 318

So did Amos actually get the moral lobotomy or was he just making a conscious choice to shut down and act that way?

post #296 of 318

I never got that Amos had a procedure done, I always took it that he was born that way (either by birth or circumstances).

post #297 of 318

Amos struggles to become fully autonomous...he'd always taken the lead from Naomi (and Lydia before that). There's a whole not=shown sequence where he wanders around Tycho Station apparently trying to make decisions on his own, which doesn't work out (that's what he tells the Pilot). By the end of the season he decides to revert and take Naomi and Holden's lead again. 

 

That's why Amos is such a popular character...he's like a Terminator who's on our hero's side.

post #298 of 318

I may have noted this upthread, but on re-watching the second season two things stood out re; Miller/Julie Mao's arcs:

 

1) Miller gives conflicting explanations as to why he shot the Mad Scientist Guy. Perhaps he didn't even know himself.

 

2) I love that once Miller meets "alive" Julie she's not some Wise Waif but a normal terrified woman who wants to go home. 

 

My main critique of the show (and I guess the books too) is how ridiculously stupid it is that the scientists decide to just unleash the Protomolcule on a human community with no real controls (and sorry placing a bunch of cameras around Eros doesn't cut it), no real way to contain it (short of nuking it) and aware that the tech or being or whatever has it's own motives which includes consuming human beings. 


The only "out" I can see is that the scientists are not in their right minds due to having partial Lobotomies, which affects their judgement....

post #299 of 318

Ah, I'm not so sure about that. All their experiments revealed was that it needed a certain amount of biomass to operate 'properly' so they'd exhausted every other option.

 

Eros was isolated, it's a perfect petri dish out in the middle of nowhere. It takes weeks to get there by spaceship. What can the protomolecule do that a few nukes can't burn out? The only reason the Protomolecule caused any problems is that is was able to massively defy the laws of physics (not something you can be expected to anticipate unless you realise you're in a sci-fi movie in the first place :) ).

post #300 of 318
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I never got that Amos had a procedure done, I always took it that he was born that way (either by birth or circumstances).

 

Amos seems like he doesn't need the procedure.  He was lucky enough to be born with an evolved consciousness free from the trappings of petty morality.  

 

I will be watching his career with great interest.  

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