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post #1101 of 4021

I think you're confusing Godzilla with ID4: Resurgence of Dullness.

post #1102 of 4021
GODZILLA 2014 is masterful. It may not be what you wanted, Nooj. But it's a paragon in its ambition.
post #1103 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post
 

I think you're confusing Godzilla with ID4: Resurgence of Dullness.

No, they're both quite dull.

 

But one is definitely more ambitiously and beautifully so.  

 

Aesthetically ambitious sure.  And successfully so!  Masterfully handled on that front.

 

But that script... those characters...  I guess it's MY fault that what I wanted was a compelling story featuring engrossing characters (and to be fair, it started building up as one until the movie killed the source)!  ohohohoho (keep in mind, I'm not one of the people who criticize the movie for not having enough Godzilla)

 

Oh man, I went into that movie fully on its side.  I didn't go in with immense expectations, but nor did I go in with any kind of negativity.  I was excited.  

 

oh man...

 

 

Independence Day 2 is a dumber Dullzilla without the artful showmanship.


Edited by mcnooj82 - 7/16/16 at 10:27am
post #1104 of 4021
You're not wrong at all Mcnooj about how dull the characters are....but it's also a disaster film. And at the very least, it gets that really really right.

So I agree with you--but you're wrong. YA GOTTA DEAL WITH IT, NOOJ!
post #1105 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Ska Oreo View Post

but it's also a disaster film. 

 

THAT'S NO EXCUSE!!!

post #1106 of 4021
"May the Force be with you," is Star Wars' version of "God bless the United States of America." It's corny, but people respond to it.
post #1107 of 4021

Actually, I'm not all that responsive to the "with you" version.

 

With this one, I responded to the "with US"

 

USA!

 

USA!!!

post #1108 of 4021

I've seen the 'May the Force be with us' line talked about in articles as though it's a novel, cynical spin on 'May the force be with you', but Admiral Ackbar said the line in Return of the Jedi. 

post #1109 of 4021
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

No, they're both quite dull.

 

But one is definitely more ambitiously and beautifully so.

 

Aesthetically ambitious sure.  And successfully so!  Masterfully handled on that front.

 

But that script... those characters...  I guess it's MY fault that what I wanted was a compelling story featuring engrossing characters!  ohohohoho (keep in mind, I'm not one of the people who criticize the movie for not having enough Godzilla)

 

Oh man, I went into that movie fully on its side.  I didn't go in with immense expectations, but nor did I go in with any kind of negativity.  I was excited.  

 

oh man...


  The reason I brought up ID4 2 was those characters where as one note as they where boring, where as Ford is a normal person going though a trying time. Personally I'm not bored by his scenes that don't inculde Godzilla or the MUTOs

 

  Time to rerail, I also like that shot of the alien gunner because it looked like something from a Vietnam documentary.

post #1110 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

"May the Force be with you," is Star Wars' version of "God bless the United States of America." It's corny, but people respond to it.


 Sometimes a little corniness is what you need.

post #1111 of 4021
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
 

I've seen the 'May the Force be with us' line talked about in articles as though it's a novel, cynical spin on 'May the force be with you', 

hahahaha, that's so dumb

 

 

Ford never comes through like some normal person!  He comes off like a robut staring blankly at the wonders around him!  If that movie had replaced him with a charismatic lead... I would have less issues.

post #1112 of 4021
Ford was written wonderfully, pretty much the opposite of The Rock in SAN ANDREAS. An actual, selfless hero.
post #1113 of 4021
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

 

 

 

Ford never comes through like some normal person!  He comes off like a robut staring blankly at the wonders around him!  If that movie had replaced him with a charismatic lead... I would have less issues.

He is clearly doing his best to keep it together, and barley pulling it off, during the scene where the Monarch members are asking him about his father's research.

post #1114 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Raynis View Post

Ford was written wonderfully, pretty much the opposite of The Rock in SAN ANDREAS. An actual, selfless hero.


I like that he looks after the kid at the airport and doesn't make a big deal out of it.

post #1115 of 4021
His situation and motivation in the film is great, and his thematic journey is spot-on with the meat of the film. And I'm not a fan of Johnson, but I think he works here and in ANNA KARENINA. But that's about it.
post #1116 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Raynis View Post

His situation and motivation in the film is great, and his thematic journey is spot-on with the meat of the film. And I'm not a fan of Johnson, but I think he works here and in ANNA KARENINA. But that's about it.

 

Not a fan of his Kick-Ass performance?

post #1117 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post
 

He is clearly doing his best to keep it together, 

he does NUSSING!

NUSSING!

 

The whole movie is him not making a big deal of anything with his dull blue eyes.  Ever.   Which is how I ended up responding to the movie.  In fact, that's how the movie treats anything that's not related the monsters themselves. 

 

There is no contrast within the guy's performance.  All the contrast comes from Cranston's melodrama, which set a baseline for me that the rest of the movie took away once he was gone.  The way Johnson plays the rest of the movie, all that stuff with Cranston may not as well have happened.  

 

All a dream.

 

Death of his father?

Saving a boy?  

Seeing Godzilla?  

Not being able to set off a bomb?  

Surviving an ever escalating series of mortal peril?

Reuniting with his family?

 

All same face.  

 

Rarely have I experienced a performance equivalent of a flatline in a genre movie featuring such awe-inspiring sights. 

 

(I suppose Johnson's performance would be a good repudiation of Hitchcock's lesson on editing!)

 

 

In real life, a soldier who kept it together to do his duty would be amazing and commendable.  With this movie, it was like death to meeeee!  

 

Pretty though!  Too bad the rest of the movie didn't follow the lead set by the opening credits and Alexandre Desplat's score.  That movie sounded fun.


Edited by mcnooj82 - 7/16/16 at 11:01am
post #1118 of 4021
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Not a fan of his Kick-Ass performance?

Fuck. No.

The bullshit voice, the woe-is-me mannerisms, his stupid eyes, I hate it. I still dig the first film, and he's fine when he's in full costume and not talking.
post #1119 of 4021

When it comes to Godzilla, Nooj and me, there ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad, there is just you and me and we just disagree.

post #1120 of 4021

LET US FIGHT!

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post #1122 of 4021

I'd like to think that I'm the raccoon because I'm usually a mellow guy.

 

I stand by everything I've every said about Ford. He is normal and decent guy in a bizarre situation. He also tries to help out any way he can. Since I've seen every Godzilla movie, I have seen better characters in them before, but Ford is still a solid character. I like that the movie is about how the characters react to the monsters and doesn't get slowed down by sub-plots.

post #1123 of 4021

only Cranston and Watanabe react to monsters!

 

one in horror and rage...

 

...the other in delight!

 

Ford responds with a shrug.

 

 

Hahaha, in this case I'm totally the other animal!

post #1124 of 4021

Ford is clearly scared when the MUTO breaks out in Japan.

post #1125 of 4021

no he's not

 

ADMIT IT

post #1126 of 4021

Why would I admit something that isn't true?

post #1127 of 4021

out of animal terror?

post #1128 of 4021
I can just imagine that opossum trolling/droning "DULLLLZILLAAAAA!"
post #1129 of 4021

Our eternal struggle is endlessly more dramatic than Dullzilla will ever be.

post #1130 of 4021

No its not because neither of will ever breathe fire down the others throat. Advantage: Godzilla

 

Just a weird tidbit, after the last post I made in this thread, I put Lubdiderm on my Godzilla tattoo.

post #1131 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post
 

No its not because neither of will ever breathe fire down the others throat. 

so naive...

post #1132 of 4021

Fine then. I guess I finally have an excuse to bust out Mecha-Chaz.

post #1133 of 4021

It's all I ever want...

post #1134 of 4021

So it seems like they're still deciding, but the chances are good Rogue One will not have an opening crawl.

 

http://makingstarwars.net/2016/07/kathleen-kennedy-doesnt-think-there-will-be-a-opening-crawl-for-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story/

 

Well, that's definitely a sign that they're willing to shake things up with these spinoffs.  Also:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Based on rumors and some of the scenes in the reel/Celberation teaser, it seems very much like there will either be flashbacks to Jyn's childhood, or starting with Jyn's childhood and then doing a time jump forward to "present" day.  Both of which, structurally, would be new to SW.
post #1135 of 4021

Godzilla 2014 is excellent, godammit.

 

People don't seem to get that it's a pretty close to being a straight-up update of the 1954 film (the original, Gojira, not the stupid, awkward version with Perry Mason). The slow pace, the time spent with the characters, the gradual reveal of Godzilla itself. It all matches the tone of the surprisingly dour original.

 

The fact that Edwards took Godzilla and made a modern version that maintained the sensibilities of what made the original Godzilla such a groundbreaking cultural phenomenon is a real feat. And the head of Toho fucking LOVES it. Honestly, I think Edwards may have been a better choice for The Force Awakens than Abrams, if only for the aptitude he showed with Godzilla in matching that classic feel of a franchise's origins, and also updating it with his own sensibilities, and a pretty fine mastery of working with high budgets and effects-heavy fare.

 

It wouldn't have happened because Disney clearly wanted a safe pallet cleanser helmed by a geek-friendly director, but a man can wonder.

post #1136 of 4021

It warms my heart to see so much appreciation for Godzilla 2014 here. 

post #1137 of 4021

dullzilla is beautifully so-so, consarnit!

post #1138 of 4021

Godzzzzzzzz

post #1139 of 4021

CARNO

CARNO

CARNO!!!

post #1140 of 4021
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

Godzilla 2014 is excellent, godammit.

People don't seem to get that it's a pretty close to being a straight-up update of the 1954 film (the original, Gojira, not the stupid, awkward version with Perry Mason). The slow pace, the time spent with the characters, the gradual reveal of Godzilla itself. It all matches the tone of the surprisingly dour original.

The fact that Edwards took Godzilla and made a modern version that maintained the sensibilities of what made the original Godzilla such a groundbreaking cultural phenomenon is a real feat. And the head of Toho fucking LOVES it. Honestly, I think Edwards may have been a better choice for The Force Awakens than Abrams, if only for the aptitude he showed with Godzilla in matching that classic feel of a franchise's origins, and also updating it with his own sensibilities, and a pretty fine mastery of working with high budgets and effects-heavy fare.

It wouldn't have happened because Disney clearly wanted a safe pallet cleanser helmed by a geek-friendly director, but a man can wonder.


All of this.
post #1141 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Raynis View Post

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NO

not all of this!

post #1142 of 4021
Forget it Mcnooj: It's only Dullzilla.
post #1143 of 4021
A better film than you swine deserve!
post #1144 of 4021

Freeman and I are forming an alliance. A rebel alliance. Nooj is our Ben Mendelsohn!

post #1145 of 4021

aw man that's awesome!
 

I have great villain style!

post #1146 of 4021

Greatzilla 2014, as far as I'm concerned.

post #1147 of 4021
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

CARNO

CARNO

CARNO!!!

Yes dear?
post #1148 of 4021
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

aw man that's awesome!
 

I have great villain style!

 

No! We form an alliance and he turns it against us. He can't lose!

post #1149 of 4021
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

Greatzilla 2014, as far as I'm concerned.

yeah, but you think Russell Crowe is trying too hard to ACT in The Insider, so I can just brush your concerns off

 

 

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Yes dear?
 

oh nothing

 

just wanted to say how much I appreciate you

post #1150 of 4021

You're so sweet.

 

As sweet as eating a Dullzilla cookie. 

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