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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

Naw I dig it even at home. But I have AWFUL taste so I can't say I speak for anyone else here..

 

I'd say in mainstream culture that NOT liking Episode VII is viewed as freakish.  I got a load of non-internet blow back when I wasn't on board with the love fest last December.

 

I even bought the Blu-Ray, because I was desperate in wanting to love it.  I usually watched the first 40 minutes...and then it became a chapter skip fest after that.  X-Wing dogfight stuff...lightsaber duel...and I liked the duel in the theater, but it became less and less interesting at home.  It hit all of the surface stuff right, but I wasn't buying the drama of it.

 

I wound up giving my copy away to a family member.  I harbor no hatred for the movie, just a resigned sense of what could have been.

post #1302 of 4021
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I'd say in mainstream culture that NOT liking Episode VII is viewed as freakish.  I got a load of non-internet blow back when I wasn't on board with the love fest last December.

I even bought the Blu-Ray, because I was desperate in wanting to love it.  I usually watched the first 40 minutes...and then it became a chapter skip fest after that.  X-Wing dogfight stuff...lightsaber duel...and I liked the duel in the theater, but it became less and less interesting at home.  It hit all of the surface stuff right, but I wasn't buying the drama of it.

I wound up giving my copy away to a family member.  I harbor no hatred for the movie, just a resigned sense of what could have been.

We're now vilifying people for not liking a Star Wars movie??

FFS I was definitely born in the wrong decade.

I could have been the geek version of a jock. I could have been that bully!!
post #1303 of 4021
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Out of interest, how many of you manage to sit through TFA at home? As previously mentioned I'm hooked right up to "don't tell me a Rathar's escaped." then I just check the fuck out and find something better to do until the snow fight at the end.


pretty much the same. I've only watched it once on Blu. still enjoyed the first 40 minutes or so, but once Rathtars get mentioned I'm pretty much peace out minus a few moments here and there with Kylo.

post #1304 of 4021
Damn...tough crowd..
post #1305 of 4021
face it man

the movie stinkowiff

feels nice though
post #1306 of 4021
I definitely fall into the category of happily rewatching it, although I think the air does come out of it a bit once we've met Han and Chewie. Despite the clunky stuff at Maz's, I'm a big fan of the battle there and the stalking of Rey (...could have put that better). From the Han/Leia reunion, and apart from the nonsense around the mechanics of the Starkiller weapon, I'm a happy camper until Luke and Rey's awkward silence.
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

face it man

the movie stinkowiff

feels nice though
ALL about the feels..
post #1308 of 4021
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I hope these new movies continue to distance themselves from that shitshow. With the new one not even using the words midichlorians or Sith it seemed pretty obvious that's what they were attempting to do.

 

I disagree. I don't want to get into an argument about the merits of the prequels here (I saw the originals as a very young kid, loved them, and grew up with the prequels, and think they do a great deal right), but I would argue that the majority of the concepts and world-building they introduced were all great, and that their flaws lie in how in how characters were depicted.

 

In the sequel trilogy, all the prequel characters are dead; I think there's plenty of room for stuff along the lines of having a crime lord use destroyer droids, a stopover on one or two of the planets, an old hologram of Ewan McGregor when he was in hiding, some of the alien designs showing up, etc. Not shoehorned in for the sake of it, but just as background stuff. 

post #1309 of 4021
take those feelz to tumblr where they belong!
post #1310 of 4021
Batman's car??
post #1311 of 4021
I just can't get past the fact that the battle at Maz's castle happened on a damp Tuesday just outside of London. Because it's shot to look like a damp Tuesday just outside of London.

It's the least Star Warsy location ever - production got really cheap there.

ETA - it might have been the sky that ruins it for me - there's no faking a dismal British grey sky. The shootout with Han and TR8-or (or what the fuck ever) looks like it was shot on a quiet B&Q carpark after a heavy drizzle.
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Damn...tough crowd..
And I haven't even weighed in yet!

Because seriously, that movie is not good. It has some good bits (as mentioned, the early stuff with the new kids is pretty good - Darth Reznor, The Littlest Goering, and Emperor Voldemort excepted,) but the rest of it is a turd - weirdly-structured, weirdly-paced, poorly-written nonsense that raises questions it doesn't have any interest in answering, answers questions nobody was asking, redoes whole setpieces from the OT in mangled, incompetent, dull form, and somehow manages to get the best performance out of Harrison Ford in probably twenty years while absolutely wasting him in a pointless role that has absolutely no impact on the actual story and has a beloved character go out like a total punk to boot. What a wasted, underwhelming mess.
post #1313 of 4021
To be frank...I'm usually a wasted underwhelming mess as well..
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

To be frank...I'm usually a wasted underwhelming mess as well..
Phooey on that. You're a ray of sunshine.
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Phooey on that. You're a ray of sunshine.
*blushes*
post #1316 of 4021

GET A ROOM

post #1317 of 4021
And then Periscope it.
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And then Periscope it.
Dafuq duz DAT mean??

ETA: Wait...NM...I think I get it..
post #1319 of 4021
just kiss
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I know this isn't a Force Awakens thread - but I had a comment to make since the subject's already come up. I enjoyed the movie a lot. My feeling on it is that I can see all manner of reaction to it, from love to hate...and I wouldn't fight someone over it. There's certain movies out there that I think you have to be crazy not to love, but this one..not so much.

 

The nostalgia factor is the thing that dragged the movie down the most I think - in a way it was nice, but it was maybe too much. I hope they avoid it as much as possible going forward, but on the other hand, how do they not. They're making:

1) A movie that takes place at the same time (right before) the FIRST movie.

2) A sequel to the nostalgia fest with now having the one character missing from TFA back as well.

3) A prequel with a beloved character that I'm sure will have a ton of callbacks.

 

Unfortunately, it feels like they will feel it to be necessary. "See, it's Star Wars! We'll remind you every 10 minutes!" 

post #1321 of 4021
It's weird that you guys are getting bored with a film series that currently has seven chapters.

@_@
post #1322 of 4021
Explain Nooj...
post #1323 of 4021
Nooj is pure joy.
post #1324 of 4021
Oh fuck mixed up avatars.

Ignore, Nooj.

Explain Brad.
post #1325 of 4021
I am pure joy.
post #1326 of 4021
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Empire has so many weird elements, most of which were so influential that no-one thinks about how amazing and risky they were.  

 

  • Cloud City - I didn't consciously appreciate it  when I saw it on VHS as a five year old, but the film makes a lot out of how its ethereal, dreamlike atmosphere contrasts with the stark/industrial/swamp environments that have filled the film up to that point. 

 

 

There's more, but the point is, all of these things are imaginative and risky. They're effects that could've looked shit - in the case of Yoda, sunk the film; plot points that could have put off sections of the audience (and back in the 80s, RotJ was considered a return to form after the dreary and dark ESB); and generally things far, far more complex than they needed to be. Every director and writer's first thought making these things should be about what new things they can do, what things haven't been done, what concepts can they introduce. 

 

I'd never thought about this before, but you are right. And what adds to the layering is that within this beautiful ethereal city there are dark, ugly corridors and rooms (the Torture chamber, the room where Vader and Luke fight, the chamber where Threepio gets disassmbled). 

 

Pretty cool. 

post #1327 of 4021
Nothing about Cloud City is what it seems, from the gleaming city itself to its very personable public face, Lando. All smooth surface sheen with a dark hidden secret just underneath.

Luke barely scratches the surface of Cloud City before he's behind and under the public facade, diving deeper down into the pit until he's caught at the very center of the spider's web.
post #1328 of 4021

Sometimes a lightsaber is just a lightsaber, Stale. 

post #1329 of 4021

There's a wonderful line in one of the Mr. Plinkett reviews: "It's like Sigmund Freud once said: sometimes a cigar is just a giant vagina in the sand that eats men whole."

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We're now vilifying people for not liking a Star Wars movie??

FFS I was definitely born in the wrong decade.

I could have been the geek version of a jock. I could have been that bully!!

You have to consider that there's an entire new generation of Star Wars fans who were like 5-8 years old when The Phantom Menace came out and are now in their late teens/early twenties. Thanks in no small part to their contribution Star Wars Fandom has gone a complete 180 from where it was post Episode 3, it's actually rare to see people hating on Star Wars in most places around the net.

Some of these people are actively hoping that Supreme Leader Snoke actually turns out to be the reincarnation of Darth Plagueis and Rey the Reincarnation of The Chosen One. Imagine what they will say to you on the internet if you tell them that's the stupidest fucking idea ever and the sequel trilogy would be best off mostly ignoring the prequels entirely.

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But as far as the OT went SW didn't have a mystique, if anything you were a social leper if you liked SW in the UK after '83.

 

Psh. Try being a Doctor Who fan in the UK, in the years before David Tennant made it sexy! 

post #1332 of 4021
Damn it was hard being a Star Wars fan in the UK. I wonder why that is? I seriously never experienced any such thing. At least around where I live(d). It went like this...90% of everybody that I knew was into it...or at least admired them. And the girls never seemed to care if you leaned pretty geeky...I mostly talked about this stuff with my male friends anyway. But I never felt compelled to hide my interests. You only seemed like dork if you made a big deal trying to defend it. I always had some kind of movie...sci-fi...or comic character paraphernalia laying around and any girls I've dated would see it "oh, you're into this?" Me: "yeah so what?" Them: "oh ok...cool." Never was an issue. Even made some into fan's of this stuff themselves....sorry y'all had it so rough..
post #1333 of 4021
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Psh. Try being a Doctor Who fan in the UK, in the years before David Tennant made it sexy! 

Yeah, one of my best mates is a Who fan and grew up on Pertwee - back in the 80s they traded videos of old recorded episodes via specialist magazines and even attended group meetings in the cellars of dingy scouse boozers each month. Apparently Stephen Moffatt used to go to them before Who came back.

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Damn it was hard being a Star Wars fan in the UK. I wonder why that is? I seriously never experienced any such thing. At least around where I live(d). It went like this...90% of everybody that I knew was into it...or at least admired them. And the girls never seemed to care if you leaned pretty geeky...I mostly talked about this stuff with my male friends anyway. But I never felt compelled to hide my interests. You only seemed like dork if you made a big deal trying to defend it. I always had some kind of movie...sci-fi...or comic character paraphernalia laying around and any girls I've dated would see it "oh, you're into this?" Me: "yeah so what?" Them: "oh ok...cool." Never was an issue. Even made some into fan's of this stuff themselves....sorry y'all had it so rough..

Often wonder how I'd have turned out if I'd have been born a decade or so later when pretty much every niche is catered for and no one is excluded simply because of potential $$$s lost.
post #1334 of 4021

It might only be my personal experience, but Star Wars in the US was essentially dead from 1985 to 1991.  Jedi had come and gone.  The toy lines were non existent.  It wasn't as if everyone started disliking the trilogy, it was just a sense of "Well, that's over."  It's been omnipresent since 1997 to now, so the idea of there being NO Star Wars chatter is bizarre.

 

I miss it being unique though.  The build up to (and fallout from) Episode I was so intense BECAUSE Star Wars was something grandiose and above other blockbusters.  I fear that's going to be snuffed out of it in the name of 'maximum efficient delight for all'

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I miss it being unique though.  The build up to (and fallout from) Episode I was so intense BECAUSE Star Wars was something grandiose and above other blockbusters.  I fear that's going to be snuffed out of it in the name of 'maximum efficient delight for all'

 

Yeah, the franchise needs a couple of misses in regards to the films as it's the polarising views and discussions that keeps the franchise vital.

 

If the prequels hadn't been the piles of shit they were and had been great films then the franchise might have gone stale again (which i suppose it did in regards to films from 2005 - 2015), but because there were poor deluded souls (looking at you Headless) who'll stand up for the prequels then the discussions will continue and fires will continue to burn for what was and what could have been.

 

Hopefully TFA will be the lowest quality movie for a while - as although it was good enough, it wasn't brilliant - maybe we'll look back at it in a few years time and remember how we all thought it was great but not so much after comparing what came after. Maybe after 2 or 3 great films we'll get a dud and we'll agin have polarising views.

 

Although most of us will be in our 50s and maybe we'll not give too much of a shit by then.

post #1336 of 4021

All I can say is that in the early-to-mid 90s, as a young kid, Star Wars was this mythical, glorious thing. And then the build-up to Episode I? Well, I can't think of anything quite like it. But I was a kid. I don't know how it felt for adults who had seen the OT during its initial run.

 

Now... I dunno. The mystique is gone. A large part of that is growing up, but it's also the string of mediocre-to-bad stuff we've gotten since then (the SEs, which, even as a kid, I didn't really like, and the prequels and then the re-SE'd DVD and Blu-ray releases).

 

The Force Awakens reignited my interest in this a little, but I couldn't care less about Rogue One or any of the spinoff films. I expect my interest in it this franchise to be dead and buried once Ep. IX hits theaters.

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Originally Posted by Stale Elvis View Post

Out of interest, how many of you manage to sit through TFA at home? As previously mentioned I'm hooked right up to "don't tell me a Rathar's escaped." then I just check the fuck out and find something better to do until the snow fight at the end.


 I have watched TFA quite a few times since I bought and it holds up great for me. The scene where Rey and Finn are firing up The Falcon and they're both saying "I can do this," I smile and say to myself, yes you can.


Edited by Chaz - 8/5/16 at 10:47pm
post #1338 of 4021
star war is only about itself now

too bad
post #1339 of 4021
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It's funny because some people hold Star Wars up as a movie that was totally saved in editing by DePalma and Spielberg.

There has always been this weird Lucas/Spielberg backlash with regard to their breakthrough films. Editor Verna Fields is also credited with saving Jaws. It's mostly bullshit. Hollywood got jealous of the wonderboys after their hits so you saw backlash pop up almost immediately after the films came out. They said Jaws was a fluke and Spielberg would never repeat. Then Close Encounters/Raiders/E.T. happened and they shut the fuck up real quick.

There were three editors on Star Wars plus Lucas' guiding vision. Marcia Lucas did not save Star Wars anymore than Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew did.
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but I couldn't care less about Rogue One or any of the spinoff films. I expect my interest in it this franchise to be dead and buried once Ep. IX hits theaters.

Same here. You could argue its a huge universe and ripe for filmmakers to tell stories, but you can't have that without running the franchise into the ground via oversaturation and revealing too much about iconic characters (Han Solo prequel can go fuck itself). Only one new Star Wars movie has been released and I'm already sick of the whole thing.

The Marvel thing works because we hadn't really seen it before. SW has been around for 40 years.

Part of me does dig the idea of playing around in that universe. You just can't do it without corporatizing the whole thing until your eyeballs are bleeding. Now they are about to do a (neverending) TV show. You could argue SW has always been over saturated, but nowhere near this extent, and before you could just sort of ignore it. They just took it to a whole new unbearable level now and are screwing around with iconic chacters in the movie world, which is the one that matters most.

The movies were always something you could use as a good hand at poker. You could build and make SW an event (Lucas screwing up the prequels misses the point) and in turn keep things fresh. Now that all sectors are covered and being cranked out non stop, it covers the whole thing in a cloud of cynicism. SW always kind of excitedly walked that line between genuine artistic merit by a creative auteur who had genuine showmanship, and corporate greed. That made it unique and as a result, tolerable, even something to be admired. It now seems to have tipped over completely into corporate exploitation. That's why people arr reacting so strongly to this...its just a whole different beast. Hollywood and its insatiable appetite for profit by way of making everything as bland as humanly possible now has a hold of the one franchise that had some shred of integrity left (regardless of its prequel misfires).

I would like to have seen Lucas sell the company to no one and just use a chunk of its profits as a self sustaining business model to keep funding projects. To keep it an indepedent studio like it was before, with Kennedy still in charge without having to answer to corporate masters.
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Re: the Rogue One editing controversy, I'll play devil's advocate: Disney have pretty much always held a tight leash and been control freaks about their own content. *But* I think it's fair to say they do that with a decent level of consistency and quality control. So this may not be a prickly auteur vision but it won't necessarily turn out to be a bad movie.
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star war is only about itself now

too bad

You know I think that's about the most apt description of the state of Star Wars right now and that's why it hits so flat for me. It's not that I don't love the world and the characters and so on, it's that I think Star Wars is best when it's about re-tooling classic stories and setting them in that universe. The world building has always been more strong than the storytelling or the characters.

I guess they really need to find new things that are cool and rip them off, but I think that's exactly what they're doing with these spin-off movies. Rogue One seems to be taking a page or two from The Dirty Dozen and a long list of war movies where the heroes are on an impossible mission. So while it's still gotta stick to the brand, at least we have the guarantee that it's going to be something different.

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There has always been this weird Lucas/Spielberg backlash with regard to their breakthrough films. Editor Verna Fields is also credited with saving Jaws. It's mostly bullshit. Hollywood got jealous of the wonderboys after their hits so you saw backlash pop up almost immediately after the films came out. They said Jaws was a fluke and Spielberg would never repeat. Then Close Encounters/Raiders/E.T. happened and they shut the fuck up real quick.

There were three editors on Star Wars plus Lucas' guiding vision. Marcia Lucas did not save Star Wars anymore than Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew did.

Spot on. I think despite over-saturation, which has been Star Wars problem for a very long time already, this is really what the controversy around Rogue One boils down to, the same old backlash that's been associated with these huge properties from day one. In reality there's nothing crazier happening on that set than ever happened on the original film. There's always set backs and people coming in to help smooth things out and whatever.

But, alas I don't think there's anything Disney could do to get me genuinely pumped up about new Star Wars unless they stopped marketing it altogether, and released these things more or less under the radar. If it's good, then it's even better because it's such a pleasant surprise as opposed to hearing about this shit ever 5 minutes, it's everywhere and it's inescapable so backlash is going to happen no matter what.

Honestly, I haven't been genuinely excited for anything Star Wars since Knights of the Old Republic, perhaps Disney might consider borrowing a page or two from their marketing plan and tone it all down considerably. Its just not exciting anymore when you're exposed to this stuff all the time.


Edited by Itsnotatumor - 8/6/16 at 3:33am
post #1343 of 4021
Man, I like the "idea" of liking Star Wars, because on paper: it's all so, so cool. But the reality is, Star Wars will never be "Star Wars." There is just too much self-awareness and a need to "delight" fanboys for that to happen.

Now if we get a Finn spin-off...id be down for that.

At best, stories set in the SWEU probably work better in a long-form format like a book or graphic novel; at least an author can take interesting risks without having to worry about making a bazillion dollars at the BO.
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Same here. You could argue its a huge universe and ripe for filmmakers to tell stories, but you can't have that without running the franchise into the ground via oversaturation and revealing too much about iconic characters (Han Solo prequel can go fuck itself). Only one new Star Wars movie has been released and I'm already sick of the whole thing.

The Marvel thing works because we hadn't really seen it before. SW has been around for 40 years.

Part of me does dig the idea of playing around in that universe. You just can't do it without corporatizing the whole thing until your eyeballs are bleeding. Now they are about to do a (neverending) TV show. You could argue SW has always been over saturated, but nowhere near this extent, and before you could just sort of ignore it. They just took it to a whole new unbearable level now and are screwing around with iconic chacters in the movie world, which is the one that matters most.

The movies were always something you could use as a good hand at poker. You could build and make SW an event (Lucas screwing up the prequels misses the point) and in turn keep things fresh. Now that all sectors are covered and being cranked out non stop, it covers the whole thing in a cloud of cynicism. SW always kind of excitedly walked that line between genuine artistic merit by a creative auteur who had genuine showmanship, and corporate greed. That made it unique and as a result, tolerable, even something to be admired. It now seems to have tipped over completely into corporate exploitation. That's why people arr reacting so strongly to this...its just a whole different beast. Hollywood and its insatiable appetite for profit by way of making everything as bland as humanly possible now has a hold of the one franchise that had some shred of integrity left (regardless of its prequel misfires).

I would like to have seen Lucas sell the company to no one and just use a chunk of its profits as a self sustaining business model to keep funding projects. To keep it an indepedent studio like it was before, with Kennedy still in charge without having to answer to corporate masters.

Well said.  

 

And that's my problem with TFA.  It felt like a corporate grind with the call backs and what not.  Way too safe and not enough magic.  

 

Last year you had three reboots of franchises.  Star Wars, JW, and Creed.   Creed for me is the only one that 100% nailed it.  It felt like it came from the heart and soul from the filmmaker.   The other two felt like a corp grind or manufactured.  Creed had something to say in a sandbox that was created 40 years ago.   TFA and JW were just safe and serviceable.   

 

It's gonna be analyzed years from now much like the Alien and Aliens are now.  


Edited by cccc - 8/6/16 at 5:59am
post #1345 of 4021
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star war is only about itself now

too bad
Nooj is CHUD's mad prophet, and his babbling contains great wisdom.

As with Ambler, I'm already feeling sick of STAR WARS and we've only had TFA.
post #1346 of 4021
I'm always game for a good Star Wars film called Star Wars. Hasnt happened since the 80's but still!
post #1347 of 4021
Ambler, did you have a falling out with TFA? You were a one man champion for it back around the release.
post #1348 of 4021

CHUD posters turning on a popular film? Impossible!

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I still don't hate The Force Awakens. It's "fine," just as one would expected a Marvelized, Abrams-directed Star Wars film to be.

 

But I hate the creative impulses behind it and the soulless machine that spawned it.

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CHUD posters turning on a popular film? Impossible!

Popular don't equal good.
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