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post #1451 of 4021

And what a PISS POOR Jedi Luke would have to be to not be able to sense his BLUUD out there.

post #1452 of 4021
Oh yeah, and Snoke.

There'd better be a fucking good reason for Snoke existing.
post #1453 of 4021
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And what a PISS POOR Jedi Luke would have to be to not be able to sense his BLUUD out there.

Well Vader didn't...
post #1454 of 4021

HAYDEN IS PISS POOR TOO!

 

(and as the prequels really underlined... JEDI are awful in general!)

post #1455 of 4021
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Oh yeah, and Snoke.

There'd better be a fucking good reason for Snoke existing.


Snoke is such a nonentity at this point, to the extent that nobody's even sure if he's a deformed human or some humanoid alien species.

 

Frankly, I don't think there's going to be any way to present a satisfying backstory for the character.  Either you make him the new big bad overlord, in which case he'll just be another Palpatine retread, or you do the even more insulting thing and have him be some shadowy presence who was pulling the strings even behind Palpatine, which would be tantamount to retroactively hobbling the Emperor as the example of ultimate evil.

post #1456 of 4021

NOBODY HOBBLES McDIARMID

 

NOBODY

post #1457 of 4021
Vader's more machine than man. Harder to sense blood.
post #1458 of 4021

Anyways, the new trailer for Rogue One is premiering Thursday during the Olympics

 

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/762341665172447232

post #1459 of 4021
Now with 50% more completely reshot scenes!
post #1460 of 4021
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Vader's more machine than man. Harder to sense blood.

"perhaps this astromech is my kin!  be you my kin?"

 

"eechoota"

 

vader.jpg

post #1461 of 4021
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Snoke is such a nonentity at this point, to the extent that nobody's even sure if he's a deformed human or some humanoid alien species.

Frankly, I don't think there's going to be any way to present a satisfying backstory for the character.  Either you make him the new big bad overlord, in which case he'll just be another Palpatine retread, or you do the even more insulting thing and have him be some shadowy presence who was pulling the strings even behind Palpatine, which would be tantamount to retroactively hobbling the Emperor as the example of ultimate evil.

Which is why the only way I could really get behind a character like Snoke is if he really is Palpatine somehow resurrected, anything else either weakens the character or weakens whoever came before him.

I'm hoping there's going to be some sort of consistency with Serkis' performance - his over the top "General...!!" seemed to come from nowhere - so is this part of the character or something Serkis added because he didn't know how to play him, because he didn't actually know who the fuck Snoke was either?
post #1462 of 4021
Snoke is Luke's brother. Padme actually had triplets.
post #1463 of 4021

oooooobaaaaaa

 

twooooooobaaaaaaa

 

threeeeeebaaaaaaaaaa???

post #1464 of 4021
Now I've lost the will to live.
post #1465 of 4021
Snoke was a big fat nothing and I'm guessing that Serkis wasn't given a lot of background.

We will have to see what Johnson makes of the character. Maybe he'll give Serkis something to work with.
post #1466 of 4021

hehehe what a dick move by jaja abrams....

 

everything leans on Johnson!

 

 

hahaha, my reaction to first seeing snart...

 

"oh no... oh noooooo..."

post #1467 of 4021
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Which is why the only way I could really get behind a character like Snoke is if he really is Palpatine somehow resurrected, anything else either weakens the character or weakens whoever came before him.

I'm hoping there's going to be some sort of consistency with Serkis' performance - his over the top "General...!!" seemed to come from nowhere - so is this part of the character or something Serkis added because he didn't know how to play him, because he didn't actually know who the fuck Snoke was either?

If it turns out Snoke (the terrible name is enough to make me wish the character never existed) was the teacher or a former apprentice of Palpatine (or someone who came before Palpatine), I think it would be acceptable, given Snoke is in a weakened state.  That suggests someone a long time ago tried to do away with him and was mostly successful.  He didn't die, necessarily, but he was removed as a threat for years and years.  I don't think they're going to go with the angle that he was pulling strings all along.  I think it more likely he had limited influence until just the right circumstances came along.  

 

But I agree, if for some reason they go the dumb route that Snoke has been the REAL big bad all along, it will be really offensive and will weaken the original films in retrospect.  

post #1468 of 4021
Apparently, Snoke's design (like Maz's design) wasn't locked down until late in production.

Johnson did have some input on TFA. It'll be very interesting to find out what, exactly, he asked Abrams to accommodate.
post #1469 of 4021
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Which star war was Trank supposed to have directed?

 

The Boba Fett solo film apparently.

post #1470 of 4021
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Apparently, Snoke's design (like Maz's design) wasn't locked down until late in production.

Which is kind of weird seeing as how the main big bad is the whole reason for the conflict and the events that transpire in the film and in the following films.
post #1471 of 4021

WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT IN POST!

post #1472 of 4021
Yeah, you'd think that the nature of your new Big Bad would be one of the first things you'd figure out.
post #1473 of 4021

You mean "Orange Yoda" wasn't in the script?

post #1474 of 4021
Maz was intended to be a puppet, but Abrams couldn't settle on a design!
post #1475 of 4021
The sense one gets of the BTS development of TFA is a few, agreed-upon basic conceits (a hunt for Luke, a boy and a girl as protagonists, a Jedi hunter villain, Han's death, and the Starkiller) and no real anchoring vision about what they're building toward.

It really is unfair to Johnson that he's now tasked with making it all work, but he also knew that that would be his responsibility.
post #1476 of 4021
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Maz was intended to be a puppet, but Abrams couldn't settle on a design!

He was saving the look... FOR ANOTHER TIME.
post #1477 of 4021

Y'all are really hung up on that lightsaber.

 

(I think Rey's origin is important and will be addressed again, even though I don't think she's related to anyone we know.)

post #1478 of 4021
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Y'all are really hung up on that lightsaber.

 

WELLLLLL

 

the final moment of the movie is literally a hanging lazurswurd

post #1479 of 4021
The "for another time" thing just perfectly encapsulates the movie's priorities.

I don't really give a damn about that particular narrative hand-wave. It's the other hand-wavey elements that cause problems.
post #1480 of 4021
Anybody going to see "Rogue One?"
post #1481 of 4021
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Anybody going to see "Rogue One?"
I'll probably skip it.
post #1482 of 4021
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Apparently, Snoke's design (like Maz's design) wasn't locked down until late in production.

Johnson did have some input on TFA. It'll be very interesting to find out what, exactly, he asked Abrams to accommodate.


I get the sense some of the original designs for Snoke might have been more aggressive, because why else would you make the decision to mo-cap the role?  Serkis could have performed that part (at least as seen in TFA) under prosthetics and mild digital enhancement and still achieved a look close to what we got from Snoke in the movie.  It's such a weirdly generic design.

 

I just don't know why - given all the lipservice paid to doing more things practically, and assuming we're going to be eventually seeing the character in person and in realistic lighting conditions - you'd want to go fully digital with a character like that, especially if he turns out to be human.  Uncanny valley territory could be imminent.

post #1483 of 4021
"What's you're vision for the film?"

"I'll figure something out, I think."

"You're hired!"
post #1484 of 4021
The whole 'how did you get Luke's lost lightsaber?' question could have been avoided if they simply went with Luke's green lightsaber.

Somewhere between RotJ and TFA he lost it. In battle? Down the back of the sofa? In a game of poker? Who knows? It's just the fact that the blue lightsaber was lost for all time down the Bespin shaft. It was gone. Shitty hand-waving shouldn't have brought it back.

The green saber could have had flashbacks to Luke battling Vader on DS2 and lopping off Vader's hand.

No one would question Maz having it, it could have been lost post RotJ in a hundred different ways, but the blue saber being recovered? Nah.
post #1485 of 4021
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I get the sense some of the original designs for Snoke might have been more aggressive, because why else would you make the decision to mo-cap the role?
They toyed with making the character a lizard/cobra-ish humanoid.
post #1486 of 4021
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"What's you're vision for the film?"

"I'll figure something out, I think."

"You're hired!"
This is contemporary Hollywood in a nutshell.
post #1487 of 4021
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NOBODY HOBBLES McDIARMID

 

NOBODY

 

I was watching ROTJ last night and the first time the Emperor spoke, I couldn't help but think of Mike from Red Letter Media impression of him. That made me smile.

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Anybody going to see "Rogue One?"

 I'm still psyched for this.

post #1488 of 4021
After the extensive reshoots and Gilroy coming on board to supervise the production, do folks really expect this to be anything other than a mess?
post #1489 of 4021
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Not to be argumentative, but as has already been mentioned in here, that timeline doesn’t really add up.  Rey being dropped off on Jakku happened many years before Ben Solo became Kylo Ren (the BLOODLINE novel - set only six years before TFA - finds Ben still off training with Luke).

But I agree that I don't think Rey is Luke's daughter.  Not only does that timeline not make sense (why would he maroon his daughter, but then still be adventuring around the galaxy with his nephew many years later?), but I can't see a scenario where Luke - given his upbringing - would allow his child to grow up without parents.  There's also not even the smallest hint of Luke having any family in BLOODLINE, either.

Does the 6 year thing really fuck up the timeline? Rey's like, what, 18? 17? They don't really say. She looked to be about 6-8ish in the BRIEF flashback scene, but if they go the mind-wipe route then how old she actually was at the time doesn't matter.

Point is, Kylo knows who she is according to TFA novelization. So whatever the supposed timeline is, she has some contact with him before she gets abandoned on the planet. She sees visions of the Temple massacre. So connect the dots for me in a way that doesn't involve Kylo being around when she's abandoned?
post #1490 of 4021

"This is a contemporary movie production, isn't it?  I COMPLY."

 

 

BOOM

COMPLIANCE ONE

a star war story

post #1491 of 4021

As long as they nail all the Vader scenes, I think people will generally be forgiving of this no matter how big a mess it ends up being (or not being *fingers crossed*).

post #1492 of 4021
Yeah, because drastic reshoots that stem from a lack of confidence in the director frequently result in coherent, satisfying, uncompromised movies!
post #1493 of 4021
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Yeah, because drastic reshoots that stem from a lack of confidence in the director frequently result in coherent, satisfying, uncompromised movies!

BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS AS LONG AS PEOPLE ARE DELIGHTED!

 

y'see... Rogue One HAD to be this way in order to win people over to the spin-off movies!  IT HAD TO!!!!

post #1494 of 4021
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post #1495 of 4021
I saw the Rogue One trailer again last night. Felicity Jones looks astonishingly like my last gf. But will she also lose her cell phone and get mad at me like it's my fault?
post #1496 of 4021

It had to be this way to get the audience onboard, Brad.  

 

sorry

post #1497 of 4021
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Does the 6 year thing really fuck up the timeline? Rey's like, what, 18? 17? They don't really say. She looked to be about 6-8ish in the BRIEF flashback scene, but if they go the mind-wipe route then how old she actually was at the time doesn't matter.

Point is, Kylo knows who she is according to TFA novelization. So whatever the supposed timeline is, she has some contact with him before she gets abandoned on the planet. She sees visions of the Temple massacre. So connect the dots for me in a way that doesn't involve Kylo being around when she's abandoned?

I am unable to comply!  I think they're going to be bending over backwards either way to make the backstory fit.  I think the likely answer is that either TFA novelization or BLOODLINE is unintentionally conflicting with the other, and Lucasfilm's story department will hope nobody notices.

post #1498 of 4021
The movie doesn't make it apparent that Kylo knows Rey. I doubt they'll line it up with the novelization for the sake of the novelization.
post #1499 of 4021
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The movie doesn't make it apparent that Kylo knows Rey. I doubt they'll line it up with the novelization for the sake of the novelization.

That's not my point tho - the fact that the novelization had that in there says the story Disney sketched out has that as a part of it. The novel writers didn't pull that out of a hat. No matter how much latitude they're giving Rian with VIII I doubt it includes altering the broad brushstroke the Mouse has invested in.
post #1500 of 4021

I think it's more likely that that particular line of dialogue in the book (which I believe was, basically, Kylo Ren saying under his breath, "So it is you.") was meant to be vague enough that it could end up meaning almost anything Rian Johnson would want it to mean.  It could just mean that Ren has felt the presence of a strong Force-sensitive person for a while, and realizes at that moment that it's Rey.

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