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post #1951 of 4021

Wait a minute, Elvis I think we need to clarify some things about blind guy.  Who's to say he's not using the Force to enhance his other senses like a Daredevil type or something?  We know the character is deeply "Force spiritual".  The fact that he lacks Force abilities and he isn't throwing people around left and right doesn't mean he can't augment his perceptions with the Force.

post #1952 of 4021
The guy doesn't have the force. He doesn't use the force. Donnie Yen and others in the production have said this. He just believes in the force, like in a spiritual sense.

He's one blind guy with a stick and a religion. Going up against heavily armed troops.
post #1953 of 4021

thwack

 

Thwack

 

THWACK!!!

post #1954 of 4021

Maybe he learned how to fight at the docks.

post #1955 of 4021

then he would just be standing completely still

post #1956 of 4021

Well then he's basically just Stick.  You like Stick don't you, ya limey bastard?

post #1957 of 4021
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then he would just be standing completely still

 

but oh so effectively

post #1958 of 4021

not really, with all the dumb ineffective quick cutting and mess of motion blur

post #1959 of 4021
Tell you what, Fraid was in the military, let's ask him.

Fraid, what are the chances of a guy with his eyes closed going up against 5 marines, armed only with a dubious religious conviction and a broom handle?
post #1960 of 4021

It's a space fantasy movie, Elvis.

post #1961 of 4021
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not really, with all the dumb ineffective quick cutting and mess of motion blur

 

post #1962 of 4021
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Tell you what, Fraid was in the military, let's ask him.

Fraid, what are the chances of a guy with his eyes closed going up against 5 marines, armed only with a dubious religious conviction and a broom handle?

Comparing stormtroopers to marines.

What a noob.
post #1963 of 4021
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It's a space fantasy movie, Elvis.


No, apparently it's about marines here on Earth in a setting that totally conforms entirely to the real world in every way.  The rest of us have just got it all wrong!

post #1964 of 4021
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Yeah that looks great, but those lines and performances? Hooooooo boy.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who reacted that way...
post #1965 of 4021
Funny how you complain about lazy characterisation in movies but slap a Star Wars tag on it and suddenly it doesn't matter

Heh, some of you guys are just giddy with excitement aren't you.
post #1966 of 4021

I feel like sometimes people forget that the original Star Wars film wasn't groundbreaking for its gritty cinema vérité, incredibly clever dialogue, or award-winning acting. 

post #1967 of 4021
They found such a dead ringer for Mon Mothma I almost want some Tarkin in this.
post #1968 of 4021
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Anyone who thinks stormtroopers could take out even a blind guy has never seen a Star Wars movie.

Even the legendary Boba Fett was taken out by a blind guy with a stick!
post #1969 of 4021

I hope Space Donnie Yen takes down an AT-AT with his stick...

 

 

 

 

 

...then strokes his stick like a penis while humping the air.

post #1970 of 4021
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I feel like sometimes people forget that the original Star Wars film wasn't groundbreaking for its gritty cinema vérité, incredibly clever dialogue, or award-winning acting. 
Eh, I haven't.

I just haven't seen anything that makes me like thsee characters. Yet.
post #1971 of 4021
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I hope Space Donnie Yen takes down an AT-AT with his stick...

 

 

 

 

 

...then strokes his stick like a penis while humping the air.

I hope he yells SLAP SHOT! while he's taking out those troopers.  

post #1972 of 4021
Yeah? Well I hope he mumbles "Huh?" Thwack! "Wha?" Thwack! "Eh?" Thwack! as he turns and accidentally knocks each one out.
post #1973 of 4021

That's the spirit!  To think you hated this idea with passion like one page ago!

post #1974 of 4021
Star Wars has always pulled a lot from Japanese movies/literature, and now it's got its own Zatoichi type character. I really don't see the problem with it.

Unless you just don't like that sort of thing, which is fine I guess... But that probably means you also don't like the Rutger Hauer masterpiece "Blind Fury"-- in which case, away with you.
post #1975 of 4021

How much pre-recorded James Earl Jones Vader dialog do you think Lucasfilm has in the bag at this point? I heard some rumor Disney basically paid him to read a dictionary out loud so they're prepared to put a faithful representation of Vader in movies for decades to come.

post #1976 of 4021

They'll just write all of Vader's dialogue so it matches up with edited snippets of Arby's commercials.

 

Edit: Nevermind, it's not Jones on the commercials.  That's Ving Rhames.

post #1977 of 4021
"The dialogue I recorded, what have you done with those lines!"
post #1978 of 4021

I'm not sure what the issue is with the lines or the acting? It's pretty straightforward lines, understated humor, understated acting. I will give you that I did a slight cringe at Jones' "May the Force be with us" from the celebration clip but there was nothing like that in this new trailer. It was all good. Will the movie end up being like Godzilla, too dull and unimaginative in the character and dialogue departments? Possibly, but already from what little we've seen it seems at least slightly better, and the characters definitely seem more likable.

 

We haven't really gotten a lot of the understated stuff in SW before, so I'm very curious to see how that works out along with the movie having more of a war/espionage thriller vibe. I'm just really appreciative that I feel like I'm gonna see a totally different perspective and angle in the same SW universe than what we've seen before. A different tone, a different (filmmaking, not design) aesthetic, different character types, different genre influences. That gets me pretty dang excited in a way that TFA's promotion and release never did.

 

There are so many shots in this thing that have me amped but there's just one brief little moment where we see hyperdrive kicking in and the effect is out of focus--that made me smile so hard. I feel like this is something that so many filmmakers (like Abrams) who might just be looking to recapture the magic of the OT...they would never do that. "That's not Star Wars!" they'd decry, then go back to planning Hoth battle redux or a speeder bike chase through a planet with cute Trolls-like aliens. Edwards benefits from the narrative proximity of this story to the OT because it automatically grounds it in that familiar feeling, so then he can really take off with introducing new ideas and elements where they fit in.

 

Anyways, this was a phenomenal trailer and I am so stoked. And however unimpressive the dialogue or performances might appear on the surface, for some reason I really can't wait to spend time with this diverse crew of outcasts.

post #1979 of 4021
Yeah the hyperdrive shot seemed like a real in camera effect like Interstellar. Was pretty cool!
post #1980 of 4021
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There are so many shots in this thing that have me amped but there's just one brief little moment where we see hyperdrive kicking in and the effect is out of focus--that made me smile so hard.

Yeah I thought that shot was great, if only because it shows the filmmakers are aware of the things that make up Star Wars but are pointing the camera at different things. Yeah they're jumping to lightspeed but you've seen that effect a 100 times before, but this is what the story is currently focusing on.
post #1981 of 4021

I'd be happy if Vader didn't speak at all in this.  We know who Vader is.  We know his journey.  These Rebels characters don't.  Their relationship to Vader should be that of a camp counselor to Jason Vorhees:  run away or die.  Vader should just be this looming shadow that does not.  Stop.  Coming for you.  EVER.  Because to the rank and file of the Rebellion, he's not Luke's father, he's not a fallen Jedi, he's not a tragic figure in search of redemption, he's a goddamn MONSTER.

post #1982 of 4021
I hope this isn't the Star Wars Suicide Squad. With special guest star Vader as the Joker.

I'd be much happier if it was like the way Dickson described..
post #1983 of 4021

post #1984 of 4021
I guess we can at least be thankful Jared Leto isn't playing Darth Vader.

He'd probably send his co-stars severed hands and sand and dead younglings..

...and anal beads..
post #1985 of 4021
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...and anal beads..

 

Decorated as Death Stars.  Good for playing role reversal on the exhaust port.

 

Eh?

 

Ehhhhhhhh?

post #1986 of 4021
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THIS. I love how...well, real, everything looks. (The quick avalanche-y shot excluded.) There's a weight and texture to everything, which I love.

This is a solidly good trailer, but the teaser with its Imperial warning horn is still my preference. Whatever the reshoots were, at least the two trailers seem to be consistent in TOOOOOOONNNNNE.

The X-Wing engines glowing in the haze through the canyon put a stupid grin on my face.
post #1987 of 4021
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I'd be happy if Vader didn't speak at all in this.  We know who Vader is.  We know his journey.  These Rebels characters don't.  Their relationship to Vader should be that of a camp counselor to Jason Vorhees:  run away or die.  Vader should just be this looming shadow that does not.  Stop.  Coming for you.  EVER.  Because to the rank and file of the Rebellion, he's not Luke's father, he's not a fallen Jedi, he's not a tragic figure in search of redemption, he's a goddamn MONSTER.

This. Season 2 Rebels did it right. Also the recent comic series. I'm OK with him not being silent, but if he speaks it should be limited to a simple "Pathetic." before he slices someone in half.
post #1988 of 4021

There's a real solemnity and dourness to these performances that makes everything come off incredibly hollow and robotic. Kind-of like a Nolan film. I guess the same problem people had with Edwards' Godzilla, but more pronounced and bothering to me if only because these characters aren't regimented military-types. 

 

Anyways, I also love the sense of practicality on display, and it doesn't just look like it's surface-appeasement to practical effects fans (TFA pandered about it's return to practicality and then after a few instances of it on that Tatooine planet devolved into CGI oompa-loompa nonsense). 

 

I can't imagine this movie being good though. The buzz on this is BAD, so bad, Edwards has been kicked out of the editing room and was released from his Warners contract on Godzilla 2. Now, mind you, in an era where these movies are so manufactured, that might make it worth something to watch. 

post #1989 of 4021

 

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I feel like sometimes people forget that the original Star Wars film wasn't groundbreaking for its gritty cinema vérité, incredibly clever dialogue, or award-winning acting. 

 
 
I think the accepted wisdom that the original Star Wars films have bad acting and poor dialogue totally fucking bizarre. I am a fan of the prequels, but I think it's some weird side effect of people trying to defend them by saying that Star Wars always had dumb lines and wooden acting. 
 
The dialogue is - for a fantasy film - efficient, memorable, quotable, and sometimes deliberately funny. The performances too - Hamill plays it broadly in ANH, but he's playing it broadly to quickly communicate just what kind of guy Luke is, and he deliberately shows a lot of growth in Luke across the films; Harrison Ford isn't as confident and brash as people think - he didn't just turn up to set and read his lines, Han Solo is a product of effort on his part; Carrie Fisher is great in ANH - everyone moans about how her accent changes, but, error or not, it makes sense in the context of the film - and in ESB. 
 
Alec Guinness, James Earl Jones, Anthony Daniels, Billy Dee Williams, Frank Oz, Peter Cushing, Iain McDiarmid - they all turn in terrific performances. 
post #1990 of 4021
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I think the accepted wisdom that the original Star Wars films have bad acting and poor dialogue totally fucking bizarre.

 

Going to disagree with you, the pseudo-Hawks romantics between Han and Leia in the sequels is really grating and terrible, and Mark Hamill succeeds in spite of himself a lot of times. Do you really think Billy Dee Williams gives a GREAT performance!?

 

I think the original trilogy is so foundational to pop-culture it's hard to see these films for what they really are, which is why I'm not particularly hard on the prequels. The first Star Wars film is really good, but both sequels are structural messes.

post #1991 of 4021
"It is for me, sister!"
post #1992 of 4021
The original film had an element of 'verite' in the way it portrayed a 'used' sci-fi futuristic setting. Used future. Old future.
post #1993 of 4021
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(TFA pandered about it's return to practicality and then after a few instances of it on that Tatooine planet devolved into CGI oompa-loompa nonsense).

 

Huh?  Everything in Maz's castle was practical, including that red droid walking by them as they approach, aside from Maz herself.  And there's an abundance of sets and exterior locations. 

 

The only abundance of CGI is in the ships in flight or in orbit, certain landscapes, and Snoke.  Because miniatures, matte paintings,  and motion control cinematography are a lost art, and Andy Serkis is best when performing behind pixels.

post #1994 of 4021
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Do you really think Billy Dee Williams gives a GREAT performance!?

 

For what his role is - an untrustworthy, charming rogue who appears in the last third of an adventure film - yes! His performance is great for what the role is - which is different from 'great' in the way Al Pacino is in 'The Godfather Part II'. 

post #1995 of 4021
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and Andy Serkis is best when performing behind pixels.

 

Well. Usually. Maybe not this go.

post #1996 of 4021
"GEENNNNERRRALLLLL!!!"
post #1997 of 4021
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The original film had an element of 'verite' in the way it portrayed a 'used' sci-fi futuristic setting. Used future. Old future.

 

SHUT UP YOU

post #1998 of 4021
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"GEENNNNERRRALLLLL!!!"

 

"Bring. Her. To. Me."

post #1999 of 4021
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Originally Posted by Mojj View Post

There's a real solemnity and dourness to these performances that makes everything come off incredibly hollow and robotic. Kind-of like a Nolan film. I guess the same problem people had with Edwards' Godzilla, but more pronounced and bothering to me if only because these characters aren't regimented military-types. 

Anyways, I also love the sense of practicality on display, and it doesn't just look like it's surface-appeasement to practical effects fans (TFA pandered about it's return to practicality and then after a few instances of it on that Tatooine planet devolved into CGI oompa-loompa nonsense). 

I can't imagine this movie being good though. The buzz on this is BAD, so bad, Edwards has been kicked out of the editing room and was released from his Warners contract on Godzilla 2. Now, mind you, in an era where these movies are so manufactured, that might make it worth something to watch. 

I have not heard either of those last 2 things you mention here confirmed - Edwards isn't editing and isn't on Godzilla 2?
post #2000 of 4021
Edwards had to pass eventually, even though Legendary initially said they'd wait for him.

Tony Gilroy is overseeing the editing on Rogue One... with Edwards still involved supposedly.
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