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Weird.

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You ain't just whistlin' dixie..
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This is Barry.  


One of the funniest moments from one of the funniest shows ever.

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That's much better bar
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Nice that the article notes that ANH was released in 1997.
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it's true!

star war was released in 77!
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Nah, 1997 is correct.
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star war in 77

new hope in 97
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How do you think they'll resolve Finn's coma? A time jump would be the easiest solution, but VIII is supposed to pick up right where VII ended.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/31/16 at 5:49am
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*gives CD Underbelly the Eye of Sauron*

*gives Bart the Eye of Thundera* Sight beyond sight!

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The devil is charismatic and interesting and cool.  The devil isn't pathetic.  

Ouch!
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

So, about Finn's lightsaber slice to the back injury and subsequent coma, how do you think they'll resolve that and will he suffer any long-term effects from it? A time jump would be the easiest solution, but VIII is supposed to pick up right where VII ended.

Even though the movie will continue in real time for the first time ever, I predict a time jump after Rey and Luke get acquainted and some sort of memorial for Han. Will ep. 8 really spend so much time on Rey's training, bringing Luke back into the fold, Kylo licking his wounds while brooding, and Finn stuck in a coma? That would be a big waste of the momentum that Boyega built up.

I still think its Finn's arc to eventually become a Jedi too, just in a more roundabout way than Rey. See? SEE!? Something new! A stormtrooper grunt switching sides and becoming a badass laser sword warrior.

Rey and Finn tag teamming Kylo Ren and Mecha Kaiju King Darth Jar Jar Plagueius the Wise Binks. Lets goooooooooooooooooooo!
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If Finn becomes a Jedi, I'm checking out.

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Finn becoming a Jedi is what interested me about Force Awakens.  It was about as far from the Luke arc as you could possibly get.  It was interesting.  It was new and exciting.

 

Then I got a safe variation of Luke with an adorable actress.  Could be worse but still.  

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If Finn becomes a Jedi, I'm checking out.
I admit I'm not particularly up on non-movie SW material - but from what I gather, isn't "becomes a Jedi" the endpoint of like 70% of all character arcs in the EU and the midpoint of another 10%? Might as well check out now and save yourself the trouble (as if the soulless calculating sausage factory and bad-fanfic writing weren't reason enough!)
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What if Finn becomes a Guardian of the Whills like Chirrut and Baze from ROGUE ONE? Remember how protective he was of Rey in THE FORCE AWAKENS? What if it turns out she's the reincarnation of the first Whill?


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/31/16 at 7:46am
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Rey - " I am one with the Finn, and the Finn is with me"

While Finn has her back with an aimbot gattling laser while utilizing his trooper training? Sure, why not?
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I'd like to see Finn go beyond just fighting his former brothers and sisters in arms to trying to rescue as many of them as he can. If he can break free of the First Order's conditioning, others can too.

 

#LetMyTroopersGo

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A stormtrooper embracing his conscience and individuality is a PR nightmare for the First Order that could inspire others to follow suit. It would make sense for Captain Phasma to go after FN-2187, not to kill him, because then he'd be a martyr, but to bring him back for reconditioning to prove to the others that there's no free will.

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Maybe he'll spend the entire movie recovering on Kashyyyk with Chewie's family only for things to take a dark turn during a singalong, when Itchy turns out to be a Knight of Ren and he mauls Chewie to death at the dinner table.

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Or... Darth Mauls Chewie to death at the Dinner table.
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Fascinating. I always thought that throwaway mention of Bail Antilles in TPM was weird. This makes a lot of sense, and is a cool new view into how unique Star Wars can go if the creators want to:

 

http://uproxx.com/hitfix/star-wars-ben-solo-organa/

 

So Pablo Hidalgo as recent as April 2016 said Kylo Ren is only confirmed as Ben...and nothing else. So could he not be Ben Solo and instead be Ben Organa? 

 

/Barry Woodwarding

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How do you think they'll resolve Finn's coma? A time jump would be the easiest solution, but VIII is supposed to pick up right where VII ended.

He'll be seen hanging in a Bacta tank, then coming out, then we see some cool scars on his back. It'll happen in the first 15 minutes of the film. It rhymes with Empire.
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Now that you mention it, Finn being gravely injured and flung into the snow DID greatly remind me of Luke at the beginning of Empire..
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Rey - " I am one with the Finn, and the Finn is with me"

While Finn has her back with an aimbot gattling laser while utilizing his trooper training? Sure, why not?

Other than not being wild about the black guy being the hired muscle of the team, sure I guess.
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Now that you mention it, Finn being gravely injured and flung into the snow DID greatly remind me of Luke at the beginning of Empire..

Almost as if they were cynically mining the OT for imagery..... nah, that's crazy talk!
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Almost as if they were cynically mining the OT for imagery..... nah, that's crazy talk!
Yeah, but that one didn't click for me until you mentioned the bacta tank. That's totally what's going to happen..
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It's not like they're gonna keep Finn out of action for half of the movie or something. What would be the point?
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I dunno....I had something weird in my head like some kind of cybernetic apparatus attached to him kinda like Matt Damon in Elysium. I never once thought that he'd be all "Eric Stoltz in Anaconda" for half the movie..
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I dunno....I had something weird in my head like some kind of cybernetic apparatus attached to him kinda like Matt Damon in Elysium.
That would be nicely weird. Somebody did fan art for that:

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Who knows what Johnson will do with that story thread? He's probably got something in mind or it would have been one of the elements that he would have asked Abrams et. al to revise.

If he goes the boring route, we'll probably just get a Finn Force vision-dream out of it.
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A stormtrooper embracing his conscience and individuality is a PR nightmare for the First Order that could inspire others to follow suit. It would make sense for Captain Phasma to go after FN-2187, not to kill him, because then he'd be a martyr, but to bring him back for reconditioning to prove to the others that there's no free will.

See, now that could actually be an interesting angle if handled in a certain way.  Everyone's expecting Rey to be tempted by the Dark Side at some point, but having Finn actually returned to the First Order (even against his will) would be a fine way to end VIII on a cliffhanger (if there must be a cliffhanger), and would inject some nice complexity into the story.  It might be too similar to ending EMPIRE with Han in carbonite and on his way to Jabba, though. 

 

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Fascinating. I always thought that throwaway mention of Bail Antilles in TPM was weird. This makes a lot of sense, and is a cool new view into how unique Star Wars can go if the creators want to:

 

http://uproxx.com/hitfix/star-wars-ben-solo-organa/

 

So Pablo Hidalgo as recent as April 2016 said Kylo Ren is only confirmed as Ben...and nothing else. So could he not be Ben Solo and instead be Ben Organa? 

 

/Barry Woodwarding

Interesting, but what function could having him be Ben Organa (instead of Ben Solo) possibly serve in terms of the story?

 

As for Antilles, I'm pretty sure it has been explicitly confirmed that he and Bail Organa are two separate people, and that the name "Bail" is the Alderaan equivalent of "John."

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It won't change anything, but it's a cool idea that makes Alderaan unique.

The author argues in the article about how Bail Antilles has only made "onscreen" appearances in a few old EU books. And that new EU stuff confirms Alderaan as a matriarchal society, with Leia taking her mother's house name.

But anything more than that is speculation.
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Other than not being wild about the black guy being the hired muscle of the team, sure I guess.

 

No worse than him turning out to be the comic relief.  Otherwise, I'm not sure if you got the gist of my joke comparing Rey and Finn to Chirrut and Baze.

 

But eh, like I said elsewhere on the site, a funny joke doesn't need to be explained.  So I guess I'm just a wild and unfunny guy.

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No worse than him turning out to be the comic relief.  Otherwise, I'm not sure if you got the gist of my joke comparing Rey and Finn to Chirrut and Baze.

But eh, like I said elsewhere on the site, a funny joke doesn't need to be explained.  So I guess I'm just a wild and unfunny guy.
Nah it's not you. 2016 almost killed my sense of humor.
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Kennedy, Johnson, Trevorrow, and others in the LFL brain trust to meet next week to decide how to move forward:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/carrie-fisher-episode-viii-how-star-wars-will-handle-leias-future-960849

 

Leia was planned for a larger role in IX than VIII, and there were scenes where she was to reunite with Luke and Kylo (though it's possible those are in VIII, from the sound of it).

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There's not really a good solution. Everything I can think of it a bad idea. You can't write her out, recast, or go the CGI route.

I have a bad feeling about this.
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Writing her out is clearly the tasteful thing to do.

It might hurt IX a bit, but we'll all overlook that provided the film is strong otherwise.
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and it's not as if coln trubew's entry was gonna be anything remarkable to begin with

 

To be completely callous, this actually gives trubew's movie a big 'get out of jail free' card if it ends up disappointing in some way.

 

"It would've been good had Fisher been alive to play the role as originally written!  They did their best!"

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and it's not as if coln trubew's entry was gonna be anything remarkable to begin with

To be completely callous, this actually gives trubew's movie a big 'get out of jail free' card if it ends up disappointing in some way.

"It would've been good had Fisher been alive to play the role as originally written!  They did their best!"

that trubew getting away with it again!
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When was EP. IX supposed to start filming, anyway?
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From a story perspective, it doesn't really make sense to write Leia out before she has some sort of confrontation with Kylo.
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When was EP. IX supposed to start filming, anyway?


Early 2018, going by the schedule they've adopted for VIII and Young Han.

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You can't actually write her out without some sort of death scene for her, like the ship explodes or the planet blows up.

All around, just a shitty situation.
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From a story perspective, it doesn't really make sense to write Leia out before she has some sort of confrontation with Kylo.

I'm hoping there was something of that in VIII at least. I don't doubt we'll see how Leia feels about her son killing Han. Would be an interesting dynamic to see Luke wanting to turn Kylo back, but Leia has given up after Han's murder, they conflict on what to do.

Oh well. I do think they should just write her off. No recasting or necromancy. Just accept what happened and adapt the story to it in a way that makes it still work. Whatever must be done, in the good memory of Carrie.
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and it's not as if coln trubew's entry was gonna be anything remarkable to begin with

To be completely callous, this actually gives trubew's movie a big 'get out of jail free' card if it ends up disappointing in some way.

"It would've been good had Fisher been alive to play the role as originally written!  They did their best!"
Something tells me the third chapter in this trilogy will always be discussed in terms of "what ifs" and missed opportunities the way JEDI has always been.
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From a story perspective, it doesn't really make sense to write Leia out before she has some sort of confrontation with Kylo.
Sure. But you gotta do what you gotta do.

Write her out and then make the best movie you can otherwise.
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I really wonder how this will shape Episode VIII since that one was already in the can and at this point scoring! It would suck for it to lose its story strengths for the plans of its own sequel.
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I really wonder how this will shape Episode VIII since that one was already in the can and at this point scoring! It would suck for it to lose its story strengths for the plans of its own sequel.

 

They can do reshoots. There's time.

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Yeah, I'll be interested to see if they do reshoots.

It'll probably depend on where VIII leaves the character.
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It looks from set pics that Leia and Luke are reunited in VIII, so that scene would have been shot already.
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